Please think before you write. The Skylakes with Iris graphics are still not broadly available! So Kaby Lake with Iris will not come before 2017Q2
The 15W with more EUs will also not launch before 2017Q1...
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Apple to Release New MacBook Pro and Air as Early as October, AMD iMacs and 5K Display With LG Also in Works
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Please think before you write. The Skylakes with Iris graphics are still not broadly available! So Kaby Lake with Iris will not come before 2017Q2
The 15W with more EUs will also not launch before 2017Q1...
I don't care if it's scissor or butterfly. The problem with the Macbook keyboard is the (lack of) key travel. If they adopt this on the MBP, it'll be another Mac I cannot buy. Sometimes it seems their plan is to cripple the Mac product line model by model.
I've got 2 24" 2008 iMacs which still run like a dream, both with 2 screens, both incredibly useful, despite their years for page layout and illustration etc. Got a current 5K as well which after some months of use looks to pre pretty bullet- and future-proof for my needs. Maybe what Apple needs is an 'iMac Pro'. I think that the one-piece form factor is great. I don't want a box and a screen and cables joining them together and 2 power supplies etc... However - AS WITH PRETTY MUCH ALL APPLE PRODUCTS THESE DAYS - it doesn't need to be thin at all; my 8,1 iMacs are perfect in terms of their size and with that extra space for beefed up components - dual processors, graphics cards with the ability to run an extra 5K display and all the extra cooling to go with it, with fewer bottlenecks and generally less deliberately hobbled with current internals (dreamland, I know), I'd love to have that sitting on my desk...
Maybe the 45W kaby lake was ready early, so they desided to skip mass producing Skylakes with Iris graphics Pro and just jump to kaby lake
Got to keep the hope alive, so it can be crushed like a bug again.
What about upgraded HEADLESS DESKTOPS (macmini and macpro) that many of us have been hoping for?
Great, and Minis and MPs? I'm really tired of paying a premium for two year old technology in order to keep my servers serving.
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And your point being?
It's never easy to balance aesthetics with functionality, and Apple arguably did the best they could. The alternative would be to put the charging port in front, and break the smooth glass surface of the mouse.
It's arguably the most elegant solution there is to an inelegant problem.
So basically. Apple should:
a) Drop the imac
b) Drop the mini
c) Drop the pro
and
d) Just create a farking mini tower/mini desktop that is small enough to fit nearly all the same purposes as the mini, and can be configured and updated with either the power of a imac or a pro.
It's obvious that Apple is too incompetent at this point to keep multiple desktop computing product lines updated and in sync. Now is the time to make this move if there ever was one.
Seriously, you think this would be a NO BRAINER. One product could totally replace three products, and it would not need to be updated nearly as often. Heck they could design a motherboard that could have easily replaceable CPU's and graphics cards etc. Some people would buy updates for those every year instead of holding onto their systems for several years at a time with no sales. Not to mention issues like the defective graphics cards that plagued the iMac's in 2010-2012 causing early deaths would be easily fixed by any technician by replacement.
They would rather have multiple product lines that they are too incompetent to keep up to date than just have a single product that could replace them all, do it easier, cheaper, require less often complete product updates, and even offer their customers more functionality and possibilities.
THIS is the one thing that tells me Apple is just ignorant as a computing company.
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...and that just a few minutes of charging can buy you a couple of hours worth of use. This picture is misplaced sarcasm
Really? This is "elegant" to you?
The point is that there must be a better balance between form and function. If you can no longer use the device while it is charging due to breaking your form rule and the device is an integral part of using the computer than you have a serious design flaw on your hands. If the mouse were meant to be displayed in a museum, then the current design would be fine. Stop giving Apple a pass for terrible design.
Declining performance is different than a dying motherboard or failing display. I was just looking for clarification as I was hearing 4 year old machines were mysteriously dying when my 8 year old one was still alive. New toy is fine, but call it how it is so we don't even more like first world problems.
That, in response to the previous poster, Apple engineers/designers seemingly are idiots and they apparently didn't consider all of the problems others envisioned, imaginary or not. This is clearly evidenced by the poor (read: stupid) design of the Magic Mouse 2.
You seem to have a poor imagination. Even if Apple was too cheap to actually redesign the mouse to accommodate a charging port they could have, say, put the port on either side of the mouse. I'm not a designer, let alone a magical Apple designer, but I suspect such a simple solution would be far better appreciated by the majority of users than the one offered by Apple.
That would not be a very good argument IMO.
I guess Adam Warlock couldn't find a picture of an Apple pencil sticking out of the socket of an iPad waiting to be snapped off...
Er, no, the alternative would be to have considered the location of the charging port and the value of being able to use the mouse while it was charging before deciding on the shape of the mouse. The mighty mouse/magic mouse/magic mouse 2 are all victims of form-over-function: too low-profile to grip properly, annoying tendency to register a click every time they bump into something on your desk and wonky battery terminals on the older magic mice... all for the sake of a flashy, pointless and over-complex 'one button + touch' system and 'gestures' that only Vulcans can use.
However, ironically for the company that popularised them, mice have always been Apple's kryptonite: remember the hockey puck! On the other hand, they've written the book on touchpads/touchscreens...
Dunno. I just left an architectural firm running 40 iMacs and started in a new office that runs 6 of them. What's dated about it?
You are basically suggesting that not one single person at Apple thought to voice out "You know, I think it's stupid to put a charging port at the bottom of the mouse."
What likely happened was that the design team tried all manner of places to put the charging port and had many different designs, and ultimately decided to place it on the bottom of the mouse, for whatever reason remains their own. Maybe they felt that position wouldn't mar the smooth surface of the mouse. Maybe they felt that the user would be charging the mouse so infrequently that the inconvenience caused was minimal. Maybe there is some other reason we are not privy to or simply not seeing.
Makes a lot more sense than "the designers were utter idiots".
You know what the irony is? I charge my Apple Pencil that way every time, and I can vouch from personal experience that it works a lot better in real life than the critics are giving it credit for. No need for extra cables or adapters. Just plug in, give it a few minutes and I am back to 100%.
Glad you're not in charge! The iMac is the most popular Apple desktop solution because just like a laptop it's simple. Buy it. Turn it on. Do stuff.
Apple need to bring back the quad i7 to the Mac mini. Those were great desktop machine for those who didn't want a monitor built in
So what? With my Logitech mouse, the charge cable plugs in the front leaving the mouse perfectly useable. So, the minor inconvenience of, effectively, putting up with a wired mouse for just an hour buys you weeks worth of untethered use. Sorry, that's just better.
So it's just too hard to let it sit there for the 4 minutes it takes to go to the bathroom or get a cup of coffee? Should we be bubble wrapping the edges of Apple's keyboards to ensure that no one hurt themselves as well?
If you're transporting the pencil plugged into the jack in the few minutes it takes to charge (it LITERALLY takes 15 seconds to get 30 minutes use out of it) it's your problem.
