Apple to Require COVID Testing for Employees Starting Next Month, Still No Vaccine Mandate

[CarlJ]

No, but road laws don't conflict with fundamental personal freedoms. For many Americans, the control over one's own medical decisions trumps everything. Yes, every personal freedom affects other people. That's nothing new.

They’re entirely free to not take the vaccine. Medical necessity dictates that these unvaccinated-by-choice folks be kept away from large groups of people, because the virus doesn’t check your beliefs before infecting you. Expect to see an increasing number of places one can’t go if unvaccinated (airplanes, large events, some stores). Choices have consequences. If someone chooses not to get vaccinated, then they’ll have to deal with less access to places. If they miss out on some things as a result, that’s entirely on them.

 

[avz]

Expect to see an increasing number of places one can’t go if unvaccinated (airplanes, large events, some stores). Choices have consequences.

Also expect to see a lot of businesses shutting down for good. Reducing carbon footprint and general consumption is a very good thing, right?

 

[nathansz]

Thanks for this. It’s good to be balanced

Didn’t trump himself take HCQ? Didn’t it help others? Yes.

Also, the vaccine’s would lose their EUA if an alternative treatment was viable. That’s right, vaccines wouldn’t be approved or lose EUA. Hence the media brigade against HCQ, ivermectin. They would lose millions. And not a peep about diet and exercise. It’s all about vaccine manufacturers reaping profits.[1]

[1]Emergency use authorization for the vaccines cannot be granted if there are effective alternative approved treatments for Covid19. So, if the pharmaceutical industry is going to make any money off covid, they must suppress the existence of any existing off patent drugs that may be effective in treating or preventing covid: https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization

The anonymous meta-analysis that’s convincing people to use ivermectin

What happens when you leave the analysis out of a meta-analysis?

arstechnica.com

 

[nathansz]

Vaccine isn’t a viable treatment. Vaccines don’t treat the virus. You know that vaccines (at least good ones) are preventive measures. Not treatment.

Ivermectin and HCQ are off patent treatments[1][2], meaning multiple manufacturers can produce and compete with prices low.

Its better to be treated for a virus, and then have natural full spectrum immunity.

[1] HCQ expired patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US5314894A/en
[2] Ivermectin expired patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US4853372A/en

The anonymous meta-analysis that’s convincing people to use ivermectin

What happens when you leave the analysis out of a meta-analysis?

arstechnica.com

 

[nathansz]

Vaccine isn’t a viable treatment. Vaccines don’t treat the virus. You know that vaccines (at least good ones) are preventive measures. Not treatment.

Ivermectin and HCQ are off patent treatments[1][2], meaning multiple manufacturers can produce and compete with prices low.

Its better to be treated for a virus, and then have natural full spectrum immunity.

[1] HCQ expired patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US5314894A/en
[2] Ivermectin expired patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US4853372A/

how is it better to be treated for a virus than to not get it at all?

these theories just keep getting wackier and wackier

 

[bobcomer]

how is it better to be treated for a virus than to not get it at all?

these theories just keep getting wackier and wackier

Yeah, I don't know why anyone thinks that. We defeated many viruses via vaccine, it works, and works well. And an antiparasitic is supposed to treat a virus? Viruses aren't parasites, that's a whole different class of "life".

 

[nathansz]

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[A MacBook lover]

Immunosuppressant used by lupus patients and an anti-parasitic to treat a viral condition.

Clearly you know nothing about science.

clearly you can’t debate and link data, so you resort to “clearly you know nothing about science” - perhaps you’re the one here who isn’t listening to science.

Meta-analysis on the efficacy of Ivermectin in treating Covid19: https://journals.lww.com/americanth...in_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx

A double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled trial shows that Ivermectin is able to cure covid within 6 days for most people: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v1

More evidence that Ivermectin treatment leads to much faster recovery from Covid19: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.26880

An NIH study reveals that a five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

Ivermectin stops replication of covid: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

Ivermectin has anti-viral properties: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3888155/

Ivermectin has anti-viral properties against covid: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-

Ivermectin binds to Covid19 proteins to block the virus: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7996102/

Evidence that Ivermectin can be effective as a prophylaxis, Argentinian frontline healthcare workers were given Ivermectin as a preventative and zero got sick with covid, whereas 58.2% of the control group who did not take Ivermectin got covid: https://www.buongiornosuedtirol.it/...-Efficacy-Iota-Carrageenan-and-Ivermectin.pdf

Ivermectin safe to give 12mg per day for 5 days: https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32506-6/fulltext

Ivermectin safely administered 60mg per day for 6 months: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10428194.2020.1786559

Anyways…

Meanwhile, imagine the guts it takes to be Steve Kirsch who vaccinated himself and his entire family of three children and wife to now admit that the vaccine is deadly.

He has it in his own body and he is willing to stand up for what's right. I hope there can be more people like him who are willing to admit that they were afraid or believed the story.

For all skeptics, vaxxed or not, we need to stick together. The vaxxed that are now experiencing side effects will also need great help in recovering, which I do believe could be possible to varying degrees. I don't hold it against anyone who chose the vax, as long as you don't hold it against me for not. We will need researchers and health professionals who are able to help treat the side effects.

 

[nathansz]

clearly you can’t debate and link data, so you resort to “clearly you know nothing about science” - perhaps you’re the one here who isn’t listening to science.

Meta-analysis on the efficacy of Ivermectin in treating Covid19: https://journals.lww.com/americanth...in_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx

A double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled trial shows that Ivermectin is able to cure covid within 6 days for most people: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v1

More evidence that Ivermectin treatment leads to much faster recovery from Covid19: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.26880

An NIH study reveals that a five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

Ivermectin stops replication of covid: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

Ivermectin has anti-viral properties: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3888155/

Ivermectin has anti-viral properties against covid: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-

Ivermectin binds to Covid19 proteins to block the virus: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7996102/

Evidence that Ivermectin can be effective as a prophylaxis, Argentinian frontline healthcare workers were given Ivermectin as a preventative and zero got sick with covid, whereas 58.2% of the control group who did not take Ivermectin got covid: https://www.buongiornosuedtirol.it/...-Efficacy-Iota-Carrageenan-and-Ivermectin.pdf

Ivermectin safe to give 12mg per day for 5 days: https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32506-6/fulltext

Ivermectin safely administered 60mg per day for 6 months: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10428194.2020.1786559

Anyways…

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Meanwhile, imagine the guts it takes to be Steve Kirsch who vaccinated himself and his entire family of three children and wife to now admit that the vaccine is deadly.

He has it in his own body and he is willing to stand up for what's right. I hope there can be more people like him who are willing to admit that they were afraid or believed the story.

For all skeptics, vaxxed or not, we need to stick together. The vaxxed that are now experiencing side effects will also need great help in recovering, which I do believe could be possible to varying degrees. I don't hold it against anyone who chose the vax, as long as you don't hold it against me for not. We will need researchers and health professionals who are able to help treat the side effects.

The anonymous meta-analysis that’s convincing people to use ivermectin

What happens when you leave the analysis out of a meta-analysis?

arstechnica.com

 

[nathansz]

Meanwhile, imagine the guts it takes to be Steve Kirsch who vaccinated himself and his entire family of three children and wife to now admit that the vaccine is deadly.

imagine the guts it takes to be Steve Kirsch, a serial spreader of misinformation despite having no expertise in the field

 

[I7guy]

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For all skeptics, vaxxed or not, we need to stick together. The vaxxed that are now experiencing side effects will also need great help in recovering, which I do believe could be possible to varying degrees. I don't hold it against anyone who chose the vax, as long as you don't hold it against me for not. We will need researchers and health professionals who are able to help treat the side effects.

What are the percentages of side effects of the 50% of the US population that received the vaccine? Or is your argument no medicine is free from side effects, including the Covid vaccination? Because that’s a weak argument.

 

[hot-gril]

They’re entirely free to not take the vaccine. Medical necessity dictates that these unvaccinated-by-choice folks be kept away from large groups of people, because the virus doesn’t check your beliefs before infecting you. Expect to see an increasing number of places one can’t go if unvaccinated (airplanes, large events, some stores). Choices have consequences. If someone chooses not to get vaccinated, then they’ll have to deal with less access to places. If they miss out on some things as a result, that’s entirely on them.

Being banned from public places by the government does not mean entirely free. Same with other rights.

 

[hot-gril]

For all skeptics, vaxxed or not, we need to stick together. The vaxxed that are now experiencing side effects will also need great help in recovering, which I do believe could be possible to varying degrees. I don't hold it against anyone who chose the vax, as long as you don't hold it against me for not. We will need researchers and health professionals who are able to help treat the side effects.

The unvaccinated are now dying in large numbers. Hospitals are reaching unusually high capacity, which can't be blamed on something else. I'm not gonna say the science has all the answers, but at least it's clear which choice is riskier.

 

[bobcomer]

clearly you can’t debate and link data, so you resort to “clearly you know nothing about science” - perhaps you’re the one here who isn’t listening to science.

Meta-analysis on the efficacy of Ivermectin in treating Covid19: https://journals.lww.com/americanth...in_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx

A double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled trial shows that Ivermectin is able to cure covid within 6 days for most people: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v1

More evidence that Ivermectin treatment leads to much faster recovery from Covid19: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.26880

An NIH study reveals that a five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

Ivermectin stops replication of covid: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

Ivermectin has anti-viral properties: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3888155/

Ivermectin has anti-viral properties against covid: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-

Ivermectin binds to Covid19 proteins to block the virus: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7996102/

Evidence that Ivermectin can be effective as a prophylaxis, Argentinian frontline healthcare workers were given Ivermectin as a preventative and zero got sick with covid, whereas 58.2% of the control group who did not take Ivermectin got covid: https://www.buongiornosuedtirol.it/...-Efficacy-Iota-Carrageenan-and-Ivermectin.pdf

Ivermectin safe to give 12mg per day for 5 days: https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32506-6/fulltext

Ivermectin safely administered 60mg per day for 6 months: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10428194.2020.1786559

Anyways…

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Meanwhile, imagine the guts it takes to be Steve Kirsch who vaccinated himself and his entire family of three children and wife to now admit that the vaccine is deadly.

He has it in his own body and he is willing to stand up for what's right. I hope there can be more people like him who are willing to admit that they were afraid or believed the story.

For all skeptics, vaxxed or not, we need to stick together. The vaxxed that are now experiencing side effects will also need great help in recovering, which I do believe could be possible to varying degrees. I don't hold it against anyone who chose the vax, as long as you don't hold it against me for not. We will need researchers and health professionals who are able to help treat the side effects.

Interesting link about the antiparasitic med. It looks like it may help, I stand corrected. I'd still go the vaccine route though.

 

[goofy810]

Should drunk drivers be allowed to make their own choices about drinking and driving with no consequences to them?

So tell me has not drinking and driving ever killed someone ? because this vax has!!

 

[seadragon]

I don’t know where the inflated “deaths from vaccine“ numbers are coming from. The number is 7,899 in the US as of September 20 and those are not necessarily linked to the vaccine, so the true number is likely lower than that.

“Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 386 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 20, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,899 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths”

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html


Compare this to the over 650K that have died from Covid in the US.

“As of September 15, 2021, a total of 666,440 COVID-19 deaths have been reported in the United States.”

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

 

[goofy810]

I don’t know where the inflated “deaths from vaccine“ numbers are coming from. The number is 7,899 in the US as of September 20 and those are not necessarily linked to the vaccine, so the true number is likely lower than that.

“Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 386 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 20, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,899 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths”

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html


Compare this to the over 650K that have died from Covid in the US.

“As of September 15, 2021, a total of 666,440 COVID-19 deaths have been reported in the United States.”

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

So first its been shown that many docs starting with HHS employed docs are being told not to file VAERS reports (see the whistleblower video that came out Monday). Second its not just deaths but many other bad side effects. Also even counting only the 8k deaths is still high even more concerning is the ages. With covid 95% of the deaths in the US were age 55+ and 85% were age 70+ however 95% of vaccine deaths were under age 55. Also as we start pushing more and more to vax kids even knowing the risk of heart issues its going to be much worse. Lets look at under 18 years old. We have had less then 460 deaths (all of them were folks with co-mortalities) out of millions (logged at 10 million + covid cases) doesn't justify a forced vaccine for under 18 yet that is just what the government is pushing.

 

[nathansz]

I don’t know where the inflated “deaths from vaccine“ numbers are coming from. The number is 7,899 in the US as of September 20 and those are not necessarily linked to the vaccine, so the true number is likely lower than that.

the numbers are coming from these people, along with all of the other misinformation and lies people have been copy pasting and regurgitating on theses forums:

https://252f2edd-1c8b-49f5-9bb2-cb57bb47e4ba.filesusr.com/ugd/f4d9b9_b7cedc0553604720b7137f8663366ee5.pdf

so what do they have to gain by making up also this disinformation about vaccines and covid and spreading it online? tons of money among other things:

https://252f2edd-1c8b-49f5-9bb2-cb57bb47e4ba.filesusr.com/ugd/f4d9b9_13cbbbef105e459285ff21e94ec34157.pdf

 

[bobcomer]

so what do they have to gain by making up also this disinformation about vaccines and covid and spreading it online?

Converts.

 

[nathansz]

Converts.

and $$$$$

 

[A MacBook lover]

the numbers are coming from these people, along with all of the other misinformation and lies people have been copy pasting and regurgitating on theses forums:

https://252f2edd-1c8b-49f5-9bb2-cb57bb47e4ba.filesusr.com/ugd/f4d9b9_b7cedc0553604720b7137f8663366ee5.pdf

so what do they have to gain by making up also this disinformation about vaccines and covid and spreading it online? tons of money among other things:

https://252f2edd-1c8b-49f5-9bb2-cb57bb47e4ba.filesusr.com/ugd/f4d9b9_13cbbbef105e459285ff21e94ec34157.pdf

This is a good one. By denying big pharmaceutical companies, who is profiting?


Is it Whole Foods, where I shop everyday?

Strange to see those who are against the system defend big pharmaceutical companies and big government so badly. Especially ones with terrible criminal track records.

 

[nathansz]

This is a good one. By denying big pharmaceutical companies, who is profiting?


Is it Whole Foods, where I shop everyday?

Strange to see those who are against the system defend big pharmaceutical companies and big government so badly. Especially ones with terrible criminal track records.

not sure what buying your groceries from amazon everyday has to do with anything

the point isn’t to defend big pharmaceutical companies or big government

it is to show how much of the misinformation and disinformation circulating online, like most of the stuff you are constantly copy pasting, is being pushed by a small number of people and to show how they and the tech companies profit from this

 

[siddavis]

Interesting link about the antiparasitic med. It looks like it may help, I stand corrected. I'd still go the vaccine route though.

I would recommend going the shot route too and have myself. I also wish we could have aggressive and open investigation into any promising therapeutic that could be used in the fight as well. Instead we get condescending messages from unelected buearocrats like the FDA that say, "You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it." While not apples to apples comparison, I think everyone knows the famous discovery of how sildenafil works quite well for men , and it wasn't the original intent. How about finasteride to treat baldness? Original intent to treat swollen prostate. Many arthritis drugs have found multiple other uses and vice versa. These didn't happen because people stuck their head in the sand and ridiculed those that identified the potential.

The "I know what's better for everyone else and I shall force it upon thee" mentality is toxic.

 

[400]

The anti parasitic , it has been hijacked as a topic by the wrong people but Oxord University are running trials to establish where it sits and if it is useful (along with other trials in the world). I assume that too many claims by the wrong people have muddied the waters including those who attack the vaccine. At least see if it is viable, or useful as a help and that testing is above board.
But I expect that if it was a magic bullet then the back channel chat in medico land would have it front and centre months ago.

Ivermectin to be investigated as a possible treatment for COVID-19 in Oxford’s PRINCIPLE trial | University of Oxford

23 June 2021

www.ox.ac.uk

 

[nathansz]

So first its been shown that many docs starting with HHS employed docs are being told not to file VAERS reports (see the whistleblower video that came out Monday). Second its not just deaths but many other bad side effects. Also even counting only the 8k deaths is still high even more concerning is the ages. With covid 95% of the deaths in the US were age 55+ and 85% were age 70+ however 95% of vaccine deaths were under age 55. Also as we start pushing more and more to vax kids even knowing the risk of heart issues its going to be much worse. Lets look at under 18 years old. We have had less then 460 deaths (all of them were folks with co-mortalities) out of millions (logged at 10 million + covid cases) doesn't justify a forced vaccine for under 18 yet that is just what the government is pushing.

this is all fantasy