Should drunk drivers be allowed to make their own choices about drinking and driving with no consequences to them?
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Children can't be vaccinated yet. There are (a small number of) people who legitimately cannot get the vaccine for medical reasons. Breakthrough cases are rare but they do happen. Those who are unvaccinated because they're having their own little personal temper tantrums about it are putting these other groups at risk.
"They're not a threat to me" is a sucky reason to not care about keeping others alive. It comes off as, "well, I don't care if children die, it doesn't affect me".
Even if you're the one maimed by their actions?
It's actually the same. You can get a breakthrough infection of a new strain, and yes, it can kill you, even though it's less likely. Not to mention killing other people who really can't take the vaccine for various reasons. Your don't care turns into complicity.
You specifically asked if I was maimed by their actions. Not anyone else. I gave you my answer. I couldn't care less if I get a breakthrough infection. I'll survive if I do.
I wouldn't say that living here, . Vax was the only game in town given the propensity of UK gov to listen to the money and not the doctors, businesses started to close before Bozza pulled his thumb out and did anything. Influence in policy from the wrong quarters led us down a terrible path. We aint out the woods and have always been drifting around the edge, this winter could be another bad one even with a good level of vaccination, many medicos on the front line are being ignored.
Fortunately a lot of our orgs are still unfettered but the money and king makers behind the throne have them in their sights.
But yeah, good communication is needed, we have had little of it in the UK. Fortunately many see the benefit of getting jabbed, probably as the only option our government left (and demonstrated) was chaos so the proles took up the banner to be the grownups in the room.
Good analogy. What if you’re the one of the ones with a debilitating side affect from a vaccine and you and/or your survivors can’t sue anybody because they are immune from all liability.
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The chances of that happening is pretty much nil compared to getting maimed by a drunk driver, but to answer your question, my family wouldn't have even consider suing, they know my feelings on that and they know it was a necessary thing to get vaccinated. And fwiw, I just felt sick for a couple days with both shots -- well worth it!
The more people unvaccinated, the more variants there will be, and some of those variants may be WAY worse.
Just a reminder, 1 in 500 Americans have died from Covid-19...
This happens today where people suffer debilitating side effects from medication. It's unfortunate that anyone suffers from side effects from the covid vaccine, but that can't be helped. The fact that the big pharma is shielded from lawsuits is something that needed to be done to avoid, tying up the courts with suits (frivilous and not-frivilous).
On the contrary, "conspiracy" has become a way for people to avoid uncomfortable truths and obscure the realities of the time. It's much nicer for someone to think that covid fatalities have actually been incredibly inflated by unscrupulous hospital administrators than to acknowledge that covid is actually a very serious situation that affects everyone and requires everyone to help themselves and their neighbor, even if that takes some effort.
You stay well too.
Thanks for this. It’s good to be balanced
Didn’t trump himself take HCQ? Didn’t it help others? Yes.
Also, the vaccine’s would lose their EUA if an alternative treatment was viable. That’s right, vaccines wouldn’t be approved or lose EUA. Hence the media brigade against HCQ, ivermectin. They would lose millions. And not a peep about diet and exercise. It’s all about vaccine manufacturers reaping profits.[1]
[1]Emergency use authorization for the vaccines cannot be granted if there are effective alternative approved treatments for Covid19. So, if the pharmaceutical industry is going to make any money off covid, they must suppress the existence of any existing off patent drugs that may be effective in treating or preventing covid: https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization
If something couldn't be emergency approved if there were an alternative, how could more than one vaccine have been approved? After the first, there'd be an alternative to any further vaccines.
And why wouldn't the manufacturers of HCQ and ivermectin want to reap such profits via the same sort of media collusion?
And you do know that HCQ did have an FDA EUA last year, right?
Vaccine isn’t a viable treatment. Vaccines don’t treat the virus. You know that vaccines (at least good ones) are preventive measures. Not treatment.
Ivermectin and HCQ are off patent treatments[1][2], meaning multiple manufacturers can produce and compete with prices low.
Its better to be treated for a virus, and then have natural full spectrum immunity.
[1] HCQ expired patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US5314894A/en
[2] Ivermectin expired patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US4853372A/en
That may be a general use case statement. But since it was discovered about break-through infections both from the vaccinated and unvaccinated, the vaccinations give one's body, for the most part, the tools to keep covid from becoming serious. So yeah, get the vaccine and then treat the infection as well.
Your link doesn’t say there has to be an alternative treatment to what’s being authorized, just an alternative.
Give it a year or two and see what happens. These are mRNA gene therapies. They aren’t the typical vaccines we’ve grown up with at all. We have no idea what the long term affects will be from these things. I bet they are eventually recalled and taken off the market.
Maybe, but I'll bet the friends and family of those who died from COVID prior to the vaccine being available, wished the vaccine was available sooner. But basically about half the US has been vaccinated...a pretty good size petrie dish to see what happens in the future.
That a specious argument.
And before you start lecturing learn grammar.
Your vs you're ( you are). And it's specious because bad drivers already pay more for car insurance. Smokers pay more for health and life insurance.
And no I don't think I'm a hero but those that are resistant to be vaccinated are misinformed.
99.999% recovery is not correct. That would have only 1 in 100,000 dying. The recovery rate is about 99.8% or about 1 in 800 die. That does not account for long haulers that have serious health issues and that run about 15%
Immunosuppressant used by lupus patients and an anti-parasitic to treat a viral condition.
Clearly you know nothing about science.
First they are not gene therapies. They tell your body to make an anti-body. They do not modify or change your DNA. If you are worried about mRNA vaccines; then you agree that others should take the J&J since it uses protein from the virus to activate an immune response just like what you grew up with?
I do remember a quote:
"For those who believe no explanation is necessary; for those who do not, no explanation is possible."
For those that believe all the conspiracy and ant-covid stuff, good luck to you and your families. There are cautionary tales from those unvaccinated on their deathbeds being intubated. It hope you have an epiphany. I will pray for your enlightenment. I will not pray for your health.
I'm done with this discussion.
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No, but road laws don't conflict with fundamental personal freedoms. For many Americans, the control over one's own medical decisions trumps everything. Yes, every personal freedom affects other people. That's nothing new.
Try to coax people into getting vaccinated, and for that reason alone they won't trust it. Worse, it creates an easy point of contention for abusive politicians to capitalize on. (I would say Trump, but I think he was more against the vaccines because he was trying to ignore covid19 until the election.)
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