To the best of my knowledge, no pattern there either... I know Texas Hold'em and Koi Pond were bought on my computer.
Most of the rest were bought over Wifi or 3G.
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Apple to Start Charging for Re-Downloading Apps Over-the-Air?
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To the best of my knowledge, no pattern there either... I know Texas Hold'em and Koi Pond were bought on my computer.
Most of the rest were bought over Wifi or 3G.
Nah the computer has all the apps I've downloaded before I just manage the ones I want on the phone at the time from iTunes. The only thing is for space/performance issues on the phone I often decide to delete apps I haven't needed/used on the phone. For example MotionX GPS I don't need on the phone all the time (when I dont travel) just when I might be atving/biking what ever. Sometimes I'm already out and about before I say ohh crap I need this app so I download it OTA then after a few days/weeks I might get rid of it on the phone.
I don't how people empathising with how Apple "had to do this" Apple has like 20+ billion in cash reserves, they don't HAVE to do anything 
Apple tried to have some balls with the Music companies, but ended up taking it up the a$$ from that judge on American Idol (not Paula).
Now they are paying the cell phone companies a % of app sales to cover the B$ costs of floating bits over the air? What they do with their profits and boyfriends is fine, but don't charge us twice for something which doesn't cost them anything in the first place.
I liked Apple better when we were paying lots of money for stuff from a cool company and could distinguish ourselves from Micro*****e Corporation...
Apple tried to have some balls with the Music companies, but ended up taking it up the a$$ from that judge on American Idol (not Paula).
Now they are paying the cell phone companies a % of app sales to cover the B$ costs of floating bits over the air? What they do with their profits and boyfriends is fine, but don't charge us twice for something which doesn't cost them anything in the first place.
I liked Apple better when we were paying lots of money for stuff from a cool company and could distinguish ourselves from Micro*****e Corporation...
I'm just curious about something. Do you ever back up your phone? I would be uneasy (understatement) if I knew my data was not backed up somewhere. Is there a better way to backup other than syncing to your computer? I'm around my MBP everyday (even when traveling) so it's no big deal for me to sync / backup, but maybe there's a better way to backup that I don't know about.
I agree, this sucks. I have had all nine pages of my iphone full for a while now. I often delete something to create a space for something new. Then I can always re-download the old item. Now I have to link to the computer. Lame. I hardly ever plug into the comp.
As to the last comment, backing up seems a waste of time. I love the idea, but the two times my iphone has gone nutty and had to be reset, the backups were all corrupt. That is going from my iphone to my mac. No idea why the backups never work for me. And syncing my address book always deletes the phones address book. I am just lucky that way.
So needless to say I avoid syncing with my computer as much as possible.
As to the last comment, backing up seems a waste of time. I love the idea, but the two times my iphone has gone nutty and had to be reset, the backups were all corrupt. That is going from my iphone to my mac. No idea why the backups never work for me. And syncing my address book always deletes the phones address book. I am just lucky that way.
So needless to say I avoid syncing with my computer as much as possible.
I've done a fair bit of testing with this, and there does appear to be a pattern here in that the only time I'm getting prompted to pay again is if the app was bought OTA by a different device.
For example, iPhone A buys the App, syncs with my iTunes Library (putting it in there), and then iPhone B is synced with the library, getting the App. If I delete the App from iPhone B, then try and re-install I get prompted to pay again. If I try on iPhone A, I don't.
Of course, I could be wrong
For example, iPhone A buys the App, syncs with my iTunes Library (putting it in there), and then iPhone B is synced with the library, getting the App. If I delete the App from iPhone B, then try and re-install I get prompted to pay again. If I try on iPhone A, I don't.
Of course, I could be wrong
I've done a fair bit of testing with this, and there does appear to be a pattern here in that the only time I'm getting prompted to pay again is if the app was bought OTA by a different device.
For example, iPhone A buys the App, syncs with my iTunes Library (putting it in there), and then iPhone B is synced with the library, getting the App. If I delete the App from iPhone B, then try and re-install I get prompted to pay again. If I try on iPhone A, I don't.
Of course, I could be wrong
Let's hope that's the case otherwise it's just plain crap.
I've done a fair bit of testing with this, and there does appear to be a pattern here in that the only time I'm getting prompted to pay again is if the app was bought OTA by a different device.
For example, iPhone A buys the App, syncs with my iTunes Library (putting it in there), and then iPhone B is synced with the library, getting the App. If I delete the App from iPhone B, then try and re-install I get prompted to pay again. If I try on iPhone A, I don't.
Of course, I could be wrong
I just verified this behavior on my iPhone. I bought an app yesterday on my girlfriend's iPhone, Sunrise 400KB ($.99). I just tried to download it to my iPhone and it asked me to Buy the application again.
Now that you've pointed this out, the other Apps that are charging me were bought on my original iPhone with 2.0 before I upgraded to 3G in August '08.
If that's the case, this will affect very few people. Can anyone else verify this?
The iPhone Blog reports that in the iPhone 3.0 beta firmware, users are being told that may not re-download applications over-the-air without being charged. The dialog box (shown above), however, does indicate that users may still re-download applications for free through their computer.
This is a distinct change from how things currently work. In the current version of the operating system, iPhones and iPod Touches may re-download applications both over-the-air and on their computer without charge.
While we first speculated that the reason behind the move is likely to prevent the illegal sharing of applications in the 3.0 firmware, further testing indicates that there is a size cutoff to the downloads. The feature may not be complete at this point, so we'll have to wait until the final release to see what the new rules become.
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What I have noticed about this is that it only pops up for "Free Apps". This warning does not pop up for any paid apps. It seemed weird. But I noticed this as I was driving from work when I was very curious about my facebook, then I re tried it on a "cheap gas" app * amazing app* and it did it as well. Then I tried it on another app called "iEmoji" (Emoji is still supported in iPhone V 3.0b5) this app is 99 cents. I re downloaded it and this pop up did not come up. The new iPhone is very buggy saying many weird looking icons do seem to pop up like "Dumping Base Core" Something like that.
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Apple Taking a step backwards on dependence on computers
I though Apple was moving away from dependence on computers, with iTunes on the Apple TV and iPhone aswell as the App Store. Allowing downloads of songs over the cell data network. Clearly this is a step backwards, that I hope they don't take. Come on Apple, stay ahead of the pack, stop making your platform more restrictive.
I though Apple was moving away from dependence on computers, with iTunes on the Apple TV and iPhone aswell as the App Store. Allowing downloads of songs over the cell data network. Clearly this is a step backwards, that I hope they don't take. Come on Apple, stay ahead of the pack, stop making your platform more restrictive.
True. Then again it's really no surprise, Apple's predatory greed never knew any bounds and it's only a question of time before they start charging extra for the basic sync cable for your iPod/iPhone, the power supply for your MacBook, and the packaging. $25 for the box, or else they'll stick the waybill on the computer and ship it naked. Next, they'll remove the Space key. On software keyboards like iPhone you'll be able to download Space Key Unlock from the app store, for the hardware keyboards it'll be a BTO option.
It seems weird to me that people are in an uproar. Is it really that inconvenient to connect the iPhone to the computer? Hooking up the iPhone is a simple matter and does not require any contortionist moves on my part.
Maybe if Apple wanted to kill of their computer business, they would be interested in moving away from dependence on computers. However, I'm going to take a guess and say that's not part of their immediate plans.
People confuse me.
Maybe if Apple wanted to kill of their computer business, they would be interested in moving away from dependence on computers. However, I'm going to take a guess and say that's not part of their immediate plans.
People confuse me.
Yup. You'd think their devices were experiencing no competition from, say, RIM, Palm or Microsoft. That would mean it's a great time to take freedoms away from users.
Just more proof teetherin is coming. Unable to really deal with 3G as we type, AT&T are doing everything possible to keep the bandwidth down. This whole bandwidth cap, cheaper rates is so they can release teetherung without worrying how to stop un-puchased teethering plans.
A theory on the first part. Definetly the reason on the 2nd.
Double agreed!
Most people will have absolutely no idea it was ever different because it will affect hardly anyone.
That said, it would be nicer and simpler if they just left it the way it is. I wish everything was wireless and there were no cables for anything in the world haha
the major inconveniences is getting iphones/ipods replaced, saving space...lets you buy an app but want to remove it to save space or add later when necessary.... especially if youre on the go and your only connection to the net is 3G or some sort of other reason.
Sometimes an update or an app begins crashing and restarting the app or the device doesnt work but sometimes reinstalling does...while this is an interesting preemptive measure I just dont understand why its necessary to go through the actual iTunes App on your system as opposed to the similar iTunes store on your device...maybe enhance the security on that?
it may not be a huge issue for some but, when you take away a slight connivence it kind of has its backlashes ...ah well, hopefully its not as big of a deal as it seems and theres more to it than just what is being "leaked"
Sometimes an update or an app begins crashing and restarting the app or the device doesnt work but sometimes reinstalling does...while this is an interesting preemptive measure I just dont understand why its necessary to go through the actual iTunes App on your system as opposed to the similar iTunes store on your device...maybe enhance the security on that?
it may not be a huge issue for some but, when you take away a slight connivence it kind of has its backlashes ...ah well, hopefully its not as big of a deal as it seems and theres more to it than just what is being "leaked"
It seems weird to me that people are in an uproar. Is it really that inconvenient to connect the iPhone to the computer?
People confuse me.
Yes, it is. This is a mobile phone. I certainly don't want to have to connect it to home base all the time, especially when it takes my phone 35 minutes to sync and it is a mobile device (read: I'm not sitting next to my computer).
How can you find any good in this new policy? You confuse me.
And I wonder how much of this money will go to the actual people who deserve it (even this is a stretch), the developers.
I can't believe how many people STILL defend Apple's decision. If it doesn't affect YOU, it doesn't mean it's not a big deal.
For example, I have both an iPhone and an iPod touch. So I buy an app on my iPhone (because, you know, sometimes you're not at a computer), I sync it with my iTunes library, sync my touch with my library and then if I want to redownload it on the touch I get asked to pay AGAIN? No matter how you put it, it's simply greed. A problem people here seem to have with Microsoft, but when it's about Apple, you all say "no big deal, I can't see how this would affect ME". The world doesn't revolve around you, guys.
For example, I have both an iPhone and an iPod touch. So I buy an app on my iPhone (because, you know, sometimes you're not at a computer), I sync it with my iTunes library, sync my touch with my library and then if I want to redownload it on the touch I get asked to pay AGAIN? No matter how you put it, it's simply greed. A problem people here seem to have with Microsoft, but when it's about Apple, you all say "no big deal, I can't see how this would affect ME". The world doesn't revolve around you, guys.
This is further proof that you just can't take anyone's opinion seriously around here. Some people heads are shoved so far up Apple's behind that they lose all sense of reality and common sense.
They certainly don't think that either. Their world revolves around a corporate entity. Sure, it may be Apple, but it is still a corporation. It's actually kind of sad.
You don't connect to your computer once a day or every couple of days for backup purposes? My addresses, music, programs, etc. are important to me. I want to ensure I have a back up. Hence, I connect at least every couple of days--especially when I've gotten a new program, added a new address or calendar entry.
If Apple was charging to re-install, whether you did it from your computer or your phone, then I'd be pissed. However, there's still a method to get the program without having to pay for it again.
No, this policy isn't perfect, but it's not the total screw over that people are making it out to be. That's why I'm confused.