sounds like you don’t understand the concept of freedom or basic rights, or the fact that extended shutdowns drive dozens of millions into financial ruin, which severely affects the health and safety of those families you think you’re protecting.
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Apple to Start Reopening U.S. Stores Next Week
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sounds like you don’t understand the concept of freedom or basic rights, or the fact that extended shutdowns drive dozens of millions into financial ruin, which severely affects the health and safety of those families you think you’re protecting.
Here's a great visualization and discussion on the CFR (Case Fatality Rate) for Covid-19. Simply put, CFR is the percent of deaths from active cases. Some folks in the media colloquially (and incorrectly I might add) refer to the CFR as the mortality rate. Mortality rate measures the entire population, and hence would probably be an order of magnitude lower than the CFR. [1][2]
Mortality Risk of COVID-19
Explore data on the mortality risk of COVID-19 across the world.
ourworldindata.org
That said, what I personally find rather interesting, is the high variability in the various Covid CFRs. This is measured across space (eg per country) and time dimensions (when did we measure it?).
For example as of 9 May 2020, Iceland CFR is 0.56%, whereas Italy is 13.91%
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_fatality_rate
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_rate
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What a great attitude in a debate to accuse the posters you disagree with as being crying.
Here is an interactive chart of the CFR
Please help me to understand then what freedoms you have lost or what basic rights you have lost. What I hear is a bunch of whining/unwillingness to work together to keep people from dying. It’s abhorrent and lazy. Because it seems like the majority of us have found ways around doing things like gathering in public and using technology (imagine that! On Mac website!) to stay in touch, socialize, etc. Maybe if people on the right pretend that COVID-19 is a woman’s body to regulate it will make more sense. And if you’re really scared about people’s financial well being maybe sick leave, paid time off, and healthcare should be available to everyone. That may help.
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You're way over-estimating by assuming 100% of people will get COVID. In a normal flu season, with the lack of precautions people take, roughly 10-20% of people will get it, far less than 100%.
Interestingly, the same phenomena with asymptomatic patients occurs with the flu. Roughly 1/2 of people who get the flu don't know it because they are asymptomatic or the symptoms are so mild, they dismiss them.
Well, let’s see, in Puerto Rico people lost Press Freedom, Expression, Access to Information and freedom of movement.
Now in the country has a whole,we lost, freedom of assembly, freedom of movement and protections against warrantless searches and warrantless arrests.
Now we also have had half of congress trying to suspend habeas corpus, thankfully that is not successful, yet.
Also can not forget suspension o delay of elections. (New York comes to mind here)
Source in the first link below.
COVID-19 Civic Freedom Tracker
The COVID-19 Civic Freedom Tracker follows governmental responses to the coronavirus pandemic that affects civic freedoms and human rights, with a focus on emergency laws.
www.icnl.org
You are wrong about the flu. Most people who get it do not go to see a doctor and do not get tested. Only those who are severely ill seek medical assistance for the flu, and when they do, they get tested.
I would agree that most kids probably get tested for the flu because their parents take them to the doctor, but most adults do not bother going to the doctor for the flu unless they are so sick that they need medical intervention. So, as far as the flu is concerned, the deaths from the flu are counted much more accurately than the total number of those who get the flu. Hence, the death rate is overestimated.
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No one is talking about locking it down for years until vaccine is available. The Trump’s Coronavirus task force set forward the conditions for the teopening, which IMHO, were way too liberal. All they asked for was to wait for two weeks once the daily number of cases start coming down steadily. Not a single state met those very liberal conditions. We could have waited till the end of May 2020, and would have been able to completely reopen without any risk of a second wave by the mid to late June. Instead, we decided to reopen in late April - early May, and what we will get is crippled economy that will not be able to completely reopen because there will be hot spots popping up everywhere, which will require additional closures. This will severely damage supply chains, which will not be able to function, as some links in the chain will be shut down or severely crippled indefinitely.
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Or you will die.
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Tim Cook doesn’t have a family.
I just looked it up and about 16% of flu cases are aysmptomatic. 84% have symptoms. The amount of covid that are asymptomatic are much much higher, likely well above 70%
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Most adults who have symptomatic flu do not seek medical help for it. If you do, you are in a minority.
Way too soon to open up. I worked at Apple for 10 years as a tech and would get sick several times a year from peoples nasty ass phones because they would never clean them. Probably 99% of the phones are used in the bathroom. And then customers would come into the store sick or their kids would be sick with them and pass all their germs on to customers and employees. Apple needs to get their act together.Apple stores are a health hazard. Do not open up yet do not visit an Apple store.
Apple will begin reopening its retail stores in the United States next week, reports CNBC, starting with locations in Idaho, South Carolina, Alabama, and Alaska.
Apple plans to limit the number of customers in the store at a time, and temperature checks will be performed at the door. Apple also has a number of other measures in place to keep customers and employees safe, as we outlined this morning.Reopened Apple Stores will operate on reduced hours and will primarily focus on repairs, with Apple encouraging customers to purchase online where possible.
Most stores are not listing hours at this time with the exception of Apple Boise Towne Square, which reopens Monday at 11:00 a.m.
During last week's earnings call, Apple CEO Tim Cook said that Apple planned to start reopening some stores in the United States in May. Store reopenings are done on a city by city, county by county basis, with Apple taking into account local data and guidelines.
Apple has already reopened stores in South Korea, Austria, and Australia, with plans to also reopen stores in Germany next week.
Article Link: Apple to Start Reopening U.S. Stores Next Week
The linear scale you chose to show is the same for most every country as it grows LINEAR. More relevant would be if you had shown the logarithmic scale.
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Sane people agree that vulnerable people should exercise extra caution, but what most people seem to be missing is that even if you catch it, on average, you have a 99.5% or better chance of surviving it. That's the infection fatality rate that is showing up in most places.
The true IFR is actually lower as the number of deaths is being inflated to a certain extent by counting any death (per CDC guidelines) where the virus is detected, as a COVID death, regardless of the primary cause of death. For example, car accident victims who have coronavirus are counted as COVID deaths. Ditto people in hospice dying of Stage 4 cancer, heart attack victims, etc. Moreover, any death with symptoms of COVID, even without a test, e.g., the person might have simply a cold or flu virus, can be considered a COVID death by considering it a "Probable" COVID death, again per CDC guidelines. There is a huge financial incentive for hospitals, nursing homes, etc., to designate it as a COVID death due to special federal reimbursement for any COVID patients, etc.
Evidence based, science driven folks.
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There is no one right way to present data. It depends on the data being shown, the message being emphasized, and the target audience.
Very, very few people properly understand log axes. Very few people can properly interpret a chart of any sort other than the most basic pie, bar and line charts with zeros at the origin. Few people understand slopes or rates of change.
The question @now i see it was addressing was “Is this over?”. For most people, seeing a chart up and to the right means things are still increasing. I’d argue the linear plot of accumulated cases is a reasonable way to present that message to a large audience.
If you want to see new deaths on a log scale, it looks like this:
I think that still makes @now i see it ’s point: we’re not past this yet.
That’s broadly true— though we wouldn’t expect unbounded exponential growth even without controls. In any event, slowing down is not sufficient. Exponential growth is expected in a homogenous population and without countermeasures. That’s not the world we live in. We have communities of varying densities, varying social contact profiles, and varying vulnerabilities. As long as the spread continues it suggests that there‘s a risk of transmission to a denser or more vulnerable population.
People of science know that when faced with incomplete information and limited time within which to make a decision, the best course of action is to use the best available information at the time, defer to those with the most expertise, and be prepared to change course when new information comes to light.
Only the other scientists get political though, right?
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Source?
You have none. You're just making stuff up.
Almost everybody I know who gets the flu seeks some form of medical help. Usually it is some type of prescription based product which means it gets coded as the flu.
Tamiflu prescriptions up 640% from last year: 3 things to know - Becker's Hospital Review | Healthcare News & Analysis
Prescriptions for Tamiflu have seen a more than six-fold increase this flu season compared to last year, according to an analysis from GoodRx.
www.beckershospitalreview.com
Sure sounds like no one is seeking medical help that year.
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Preliminary In-Season 2021-2022 Flu Burden Estimates
CDC's weekly cumulative in-season estimates of flu cases, medical visits, hospitalizations and deaths in the United States.
Sure sounds like the CDC can figure out the number.
This Past Flu Season Was the Longest in 10 Years, the CDC Says
But it wasn't as severe as the previous year
Another one.
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Or Apple should invest in a UV-C sanitizer for each store and require every phone being tested or diagnosed to be cleaned first.
Indeed, your logic is correct but not your conclusion as a whole. The specific reason it is slowing down is because of the lockdowns, less people are available for exposure, you will see an uptick again in a month or so as people get out and about too soon and start to reinfect. The solution will not be to eliminate the virus, it will be the ability to treat the sick so they may live to see another day. Only then will things return to what we will call normal.
Mannn listen. I was there for 10 years too in the Product Zone and the demo devices did not get cleaned enough and customers would just hand us nasty devices all day long. Break room would have ants every other week.
Entire store is just gross.
When you say wat too soon, you are lumping all store locations into a single category. Maybe too soon for NY, but not for Idaho.
Give Apple some credit. They are taking a measured, phased approach.
Regarding the stores being a “health hazard”, have you seen Apples reopening protocol? They are limiting numbers of people, using strict cleaning procedures, and encouraging purchases online.
Under their plan it is not too soon. The timing is just right. There are many things I faultApple for. Reopening is definitely not one of them.
About time. My coworker in Boise dropped off her 2016 MBP for a keyboard repair on Friday, was told she could pick it up Tuesday. She came got back into town Wednesday and found the store locked up tight as a drum and after talking with four different CS agents over the phone found out they'd shut down Saturday and there was no way to get her MBP back until they opened again. She checked her voicemail and email but found no attempt to contact her from that location or any Apple representative informing her she had until Sunday to pick up her laptop like their official statement claimed. If someone had contacted her she could have sent her son to get it but no. Apple effectively kidnapped her work-essential laptop for more than two months.
While it was a bit shocking at the time, most people weren't mad about Apple shutting their stores. The speed at which it was done, and how poorly it was implemented, however, left a lot of upset people in its wake.
As for my coworker, she will be there tomorrow morning at 11am sharp to get back her laptop, and promised to do her best not to tear the manager a new one as it wasn't really his fault even though two reps she spoke with claimed it was the responsibility of each location manager to make sure every customer who had a device there was informed of the closure and the pickup window, which he apparently didn't. Again, the speed at which this decision was made wasn't fair to staff either as they weren't aware of the closures as of 11:30am Mountain time that Friday morning when she dropped it off, as I'm sure they would have made her reschedule otherwise.
While it was a bit shocking at the time, most people weren't mad about Apple shutting their stores. The speed at which it was done, and how poorly it was implemented, however, left a lot of upset people in its wake.
As for my coworker, she will be there tomorrow morning at 11am sharp to get back her laptop, and promised to do her best not to tear the manager a new one as it wasn't really his fault even though two reps she spoke with claimed it was the responsibility of each location manager to make sure every customer who had a device there was informed of the closure and the pickup window, which he apparently didn't. Again, the speed at which this decision was made wasn't fair to staff either as they weren't aware of the closures as of 11:30am Mountain time that Friday morning when she dropped it off, as I'm sure they would have made her reschedule otherwise.
That sure is a bad situation. Apple really should have run a skeleton crew for awhile longer just for device pickups. It seems she should be compensated in some way.