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http://www.nbcuni.com/About_NBC_Universal/Company_Overview/

NBC and Vivendi Universal Entertainment (Universal's TV arm) merged in 2004.

This is how SciFi/USA/... were added to NBC's "family" of networks.

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Um, so you basically posted a link to a page that states what I already said in my original post?

NBC Universal does NOT equal Universal.

There is more to Universal than NBC Universal, such as the Universal Music group and their stable of artists, which NBC (and GE) have nothing to do with...
 
Why couldn't Apple raise the price so that they were receiving the same $.55 that they are now, they're obviously okay with that number as they've been getting it for a year.

No, Apple doesn't get $0.55. The get $0.55 times thousands of sales. If NBC doubles the price, then Apple would get only $0.55 times much less than half the sales. Agreeing to that would be outright stupid. Ask any shop owner whether they would be willing to take the same margin when the producer doubles their wholesale price.
 
I admit I dont like to buy from the itunes store. The reason is I think prices are already beyond my budget. I was hoping in the future iTunes store prices would come down, not go up. I am happy about NBC not using Apple. (Or Apple not using NBC). This gives me hope that in the future I too will be able to buy legal shows and music in my price range :)
 
please write NBC

if you're taking the time to complain here, then please also take the time to let NBC know...

http://www.nbc.com/Footer/Contact_Us/

I sent them my comments - i doubt it will change their minds, but i couldn't let it go without telling them directly.
 
I admit I dont like to buy from the itunes store. The reason is I think prices are already beyond my budget. I was hoping in the future iTunes store prices would come down, not go up. I am happy about NBC not using Apple. (Or Apple not using NBC). This gives me hope that in the future I too will be able to buy legal shows and music in my price range :)

agreed, multiple players in the market eventually will drive price down. we shall wait and see.
 
I think the tv networks are terrified of the internet just as record companies were, but for somewhat different reasons:

http://adage.com/digital/article?article_id=120199

Every year big companies shift more and more of their ad budgets to the internet. TV is going the way of radio.

With NBC.com they have managed to recreate the advertising model of television, but little else - does anyone really sit through an entire episode in a browser window? I'd be curious to see what kind of viewership they get off their site. It probably isn't all that impressive.

And if you consider NBC's role in most television these days, aren't they just a distributor, on a certain level?

They're just trying to find their place in the internet space, and like newspapers and radio stations, haven't really figured it out - we're no longer tied to their airwaves and their business model is dying quickly. They sat around and waited for YouTube and iTunes to happen, as they inevitably would, so they are making lots of idiotic and inexplicable decisions trying to figure out where all that lost money is going to come from.

I expect hulu.com to be just as exciting as nbc.com, and just as successful as playsforsure or connect. They've just done themselves a huge disservice by sacrificing the only digital marketplace that has made them any money, and will likely be the only profitable service for them online in a very long time.
 
Apple doesn't support either format. There may have been keynotes and press releases giving lip service to both, but I still can't watch BlueRay or HD-DVD on my Mac.
Hmm, pretty sure FCP allows you to write HD DVD's, and I am pretty sure that Apple is on the BR board.

Lets not also forget the recent rumors that Microsoft have donated towards the $150m allegedly received by Paramount/Dreamworks to move exclusively to HD DVD.

The politics in this industry are staggering. This pricing issue only touches the surface.
Nothing new. See PS3...
And MS will NEVER be in my living room, in any shape or form.
Well I guess you don't own a BR or HD DVD player. As both make MS money, which puts MS in your living room by default.
I have been thinking about this also, especially since many believe that MS is trying to continue the HD format war so their Live store with HD content can fill the void. NBC (who owns Universal...not Universal Music though) might be under some MS influence with the recent cash windfall from MS and the HD-DVD Forum.
Could be. I think MS is more worried about Sony than they are Apple. If Apple were to start offering HD movies and TV shows, then maybe, but until then when it comes to that division Sony is king.
 
I admit I dont like to buy from the itunes store. The reason is I think prices are already beyond my budget. I was hoping in the future iTunes store prices would come down, not go up. I am happy about NBC not using Apple. (Or Apple not using NBC). This gives me hope that in the future I too will be able to buy legal shows and music in my price range :)

NBC wants to RAISE their prices, not lower their prices. They are leaving Apple for now, because they THINK they will get more profit by charging MORE PER SHOW.

(However, apparently the NBC execs forgot about the lesson on elasticity of demand from economics 101... A TV show at the same price as a rental movie? no way anyone will go for that).
 
Um, so you basically posted a link to a page that states what I already said in my original post?

I was expanding on your post. The section I quoted probably wasn't as clear about that.

You gave the impression that Vivendi bought or somehow acquired 20% of NBC.

Unspeaked said:
They were the sole owners until 2004 when Universal took a 20% stake in the company.

I was just trying to clarify that it was a merger of a part of Universal into NBC that gave Vivendi it's 20% ownership in NBC Universal.

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I think you going to see a ton of people resorting to the less honest bittorrent way of getting them. What a stupid move.
 
I think you going to see a ton of people resorting to the less honest bittorrent way of getting them. What a stupid move.

mmmmm. sure, but what if they can download from NBC official store for $1.79? rather than $1.99 from ITMS?

just a guess.
 
What I can't understand is why anyone would pay for $1.99 let alone $3.99 for a program, other than convenience when its already been aired and it can be recorded. From what I can see anything that NBC gets from itunes is pure profit over and above what it gets from the various TV networks. Living in the uk we haven't had the pleasure of itunes video downloads but a full series of any prog is going to take a considerable amount of disc space. If you are a fan of a particular series then you are more than likely still going to by the DVD.

By the way we still don't actually know what Apple is being charged by NBC and what they are adding as % profit.
 
mmmmm. sure, but what if they can download from NBC official store for $1.79? rather than $1.99 from ITMS?

just a guess.

Yes, I'm SURE they'll do this considering they were demanding $4.99 a pop from Apple.

I'm guessing, if it happens, it'll be around $3.99, WMV, and ridiculously DRM'd.
 
Well I guess you don't own a BR or HD DVD player. As both make MS money, which puts MS in your living room by default.

Uh no...you are right on that...i don't. i don't even have an HDTV, or cable. waste of money if you ask me.
 
To hell with BIG CORPS!

:eek:WTF!!!!!:eek:

Seriously adn big money hungry corporations like NBC and even music labels wonder why they are in the Poop (self edit) :) Hole in lacking profits!!!!!!

To hell with NBC like I even ever found any of the content sold on the music store worthwhile to buy! Sure there is SNL but thats the only good thing but even that was complete crap because it was edited down.

NO WAY I WOULD EVER PAY $5 FOR AN EPISODE!!!!!:mad::confused:

GO FOX NETWORK!!!:D
 
I think NBC (Universal) is going to be the bigger loser in this ultimately, though, I would caution Apple not to display too much hubris going forward, because there is a growing perception that partnerships with Apple benefit Apple more than anyone else. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but it's the perception that counts. In that regard, Apple's press release was a wise and timely move.

I still wonder if Apple should not have just bitten the bullet on this one. For one thing, NBC could not have honestly wanted there episodes going for $4.99 while every other network remained at $1.99. It sounds like it was the first move in a game of hardball negotiating that Apple was simply not willing to entertain. In terms of big picture though, Apple could have afforded to take less profit, or even a slight loss, because they are not really in the business of selling music and tv shows, they are in the business of making iPods (and Macs, and iPhones...and one day AppleTVs). iTunes only exists to support the realm of downloadable content, because the more people there are out there downloading music and video, the more iPods Apple is going to sell. Let's face it, if I'm going to watch video on the go I'm probably going to do it on an iPod. As a percentage of revenue, everything Apple makes off of iTunes is pocket change, so why they would want to play hardball with profit sharing kind of confuses me. They are going to punish NBC over this, and have them come back with their tails between their legs, but it'll probably just make other content providers nervous about who they are currently in bed with, and thus explore the option of other alternatives.

In any event, NBC should have known better. For one thing they got a hell of a lot of free advertising through iTunes, and I am almost certain that shows like Heroes would not have been as successful had it not been for iTunes, and people's ability to catch up on eps they missed, or get into the show late into the season. They are completely overplaying their hand, but I guess my point is, so might Apple...
 
THey might go it alone

I think i have noticed that networks are starting to make their own websites available to sell and view their shows.So NBC might just decide their episodes on their own website for $5?!?!

THat sounds smart:confused:
 
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