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Apple to sue Motorola?
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Foxer has it right. If Apple sues Motorola this will not stop the supply of G4s to Apple. But because there is an agreement in place (I assume). this could work against Apple. they may need to continue purchasing G4, even when they don't need them. But ... If Apple start a suit against Motorola after 970 systems ship. Apple may be able to get themselves out of the G4 (or any other) agreements. This looks like a good move for Apple
The move to 970 will be good for us
Lets not get too pi$$ed at Motorola, without them we'd all be running Pentiums perhaps
The move to 970 will be good for us
Lets not get too pi$$ed at Motorola, without them we'd all be running Pentiums perhaps
I say sue if they had a contract and Moto failed to make the chip then sue for breah of contract, if they didn't have anything written it is a totally utter waste of time.
Look at Apple Vs. Microsoft.
Apple was kind and gave them the source and M$ ripped it off.
Look at Apple Vs. Microsoft.
Apple was kind and gave them the source and M$ ripped it off.
Motorola to acquire Winphoria
Speaking of Motorola, they are busy acquiring Winphoria.
"Motorola Inc. on Tuesday announced plans to buy Winphoria Networks Inc., a company that makes packet-based switching centers for wireless networks.
Motorola plans to integrate Winphoria into its Global Telecom Solutions Sector (GTSS) business unit, according to Motorola officials in Schaumburg, Ill. They did not disclose financial terms of the deal except to say that it will be in cash, and will close in the second quarter as long as there are no regulatory problems. "
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1025337,00.asp
The last time I looked, Motorola was bleeding red ink, profusely. An acquisition? With what?
Speaking of Motorola, they are busy acquiring Winphoria.
"Motorola Inc. on Tuesday announced plans to buy Winphoria Networks Inc., a company that makes packet-based switching centers for wireless networks.
Motorola plans to integrate Winphoria into its Global Telecom Solutions Sector (GTSS) business unit, according to Motorola officials in Schaumburg, Ill. They did not disclose financial terms of the deal except to say that it will be in cash, and will close in the second quarter as long as there are no regulatory problems. "
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1025337,00.asp
The last time I looked, Motorola was bleeding red ink, profusely. An acquisition? With what?
The one with a Rapid I/O bus and an Integrated DDR memory controller.
Don't know what fallback FSB it would have been able to use, for those not using RIO.
The 7457 a year ago was looked at as the G5, but the new bus and integrated memory controller of the 7457-RM would definitely been worthy of the G5 name.
Originally posted by Tim Flynn
Lets not get too pi$$ed at Motorola, without them we'd all be running Pentiums perhaps
I think that would be better, than we would be always equal to PCs (probably)
But IBM is probably the best choice out of the 4 CPU makers, I cant wait to own the fastest type of comp again (just like the first G4s)
Re: Re: Disloyalty
Perhaps in a few years, we'll all be saying the same thing about IBM and its slower-than-molasses 970 chips... We should all keep this in mind: It is always great and wonderful in the beginning, but it will never lasts and almost always ends horribly.
Perhaps in a few years, we'll all be saying the same thing about IBM and its slower-than-molasses 970 chips... We should all keep this in mind: It is always great and wonderful in the beginning, but it will never lasts and almost always ends horribly.
I would not expect too much about the new speeds.. I hope that they will be a lot faster, but the perfermance leap will only be very noticable when applications are 64 bit modified. That's one point, second: The first 970's will probably max out at 2.1, maybe 2.3 Ghz, so I hope they are fast enough. If Apple announces Dual 970's right away, then there could be a speedadvantage. If they would announce Quad-processors! that would be awsome!!! (rumors are going that 10.3 would support core-quadprocessing!)
But as many others, I wait until Apple really kicks in the speedrecords!.. As a 3D animater, I could easilly buy 3 PC's at the price of One High-end Mac. Then I would have 3 to 4 times the speed I get today from Apple. But not the conveniance and the other advantages like stability etc.. so I won't do that. But still.. It makes me angry.. It's a lot of money.. I must be A diehard Apple Fan
G4, G4, oh my
Motorola makes great beepers. Most likely the best. Uh, does anyone use beepers anymore? Hmm... Oh yeah, they make phones (hello moto... <annoying>) but one thing they don't do is... hang on a sec, my cell phone is ringing (non-Motorola)
"Hello, oh hi there Genie. What's that? Ahh I see. Ok, I'll let 'em know"
The Genie has just informed me that he has it on great authority that Apple will not use Motorola phones or beepers as a substitute for the G4 even if they are sued.
Rest easy and make sure you pick up a european business adapter if your flying over seas.
Motorola makes great beepers. Most likely the best. Uh, does anyone use beepers anymore? Hmm... Oh yeah, they make phones (hello moto... <annoying>) but one thing they don't do is... hang on a sec, my cell phone is ringing (non-Motorola)
"Hello, oh hi there Genie. What's that? Ahh I see. Ok, I'll let 'em know"
The Genie has just informed me that he has it on great authority that Apple will not use Motorola phones or beepers as a substitute for the G4 even if they are sued.
Rest easy and make sure you pick up a european business adapter if your flying over seas.
64-bit will not be faster, probably a bit slower
This will only be true for applications that are doing funny things with workfiles because their data is too large for memory - imagine Photoshop without workfiles - just GB and GB upon GB of virtual memory.
Of course, you'll probably need GB and GB upon GB of real RAM to see the speedup!
64-bits lets you deal with huge amounts of virtual memory, but by-and-large it seldom is any faster at it. Data is still the same size (except for pointers). To process faster, you need a faster ALU or FP unit, not larger pointers. (The PPC970 is rumoured to have fast arithmetic - but this is separate from the fact that it has 64-bit virtual addresses.)
In some applications, 64-bits is slower because the pointers are larger. Processing the pointers uses more memory bandwidth, and they take up twice as much cache memory
Don't spread the "64-bit myth"...
This will only be true for applications that are doing funny things with workfiles because their data is too large for memory - imagine Photoshop without workfiles - just GB and GB upon GB of virtual memory.
Of course, you'll probably need GB and GB upon GB of real RAM to see the speedup!
64-bits lets you deal with huge amounts of virtual memory, but by-and-large it seldom is any faster at it. Data is still the same size (except for pointers). To process faster, you need a faster ALU or FP unit, not larger pointers. (The PPC970 is rumoured to have fast arithmetic - but this is separate from the fact that it has 64-bit virtual addresses.)
In some applications, 64-bits is slower because the pointers are larger. Processing the pointers uses more memory bandwidth, and they take up twice as much cache memory
Don't spread the "64-bit myth"...
Actually, wasn't the 750 (G3) based on the 603 core while the 7400 (G4) was based on the 604 core?
I agree, however, if IBM could bolt an AltiVec compatiple SIMD unit onto their G3's - it would probably make the current G4's look silly.
I remember how much we loved motorola when they made the G4 now we step down on them noting that the technology is quite old now its like a pretty girl getting old slowly you forget how good she was when she was young.
Remember that motorala makes phones primarily and that the slumping apple sales would mean that if they did develope the G5 nobody great would purchase enough for good revenue. In a situation like this its only logical for motorola to abbandon the G5. do you really think that a G5 would effectively motivate buyers no not in a warmonger country where average consumers cannot afford the expensive hardware. Many people are happy with the comp they bought a few years back.
I suggest apple forget about G4 and jump back to the G3 which now IMB claims can reach 2ghz if anybody is interested in notebooks and they already have 1ghz ibook chips ready and push the consumer portable as cheap as they can as this market looks for cheap stuff.
just think of a slow porsche then maybe you think of apple
Remember that motorala makes phones primarily and that the slumping apple sales would mean that if they did develope the G5 nobody great would purchase enough for good revenue. In a situation like this its only logical for motorola to abbandon the G5. do you really think that a G5 would effectively motivate buyers no not in a warmonger country where average consumers cannot afford the expensive hardware. Many people are happy with the comp they bought a few years back.
I suggest apple forget about G4 and jump back to the G3 which now IMB claims can reach 2ghz if anybody is interested in notebooks and they already have 1ghz ibook chips ready and push the consumer portable as cheap as they can as this market looks for cheap stuff.
just think of a slow porsche then maybe you think of apple
IBM uses its own chips!
Remember in all this discussion that not only does IBM produce the 970 for Apple, but it will use it in its own blade servers!
It has much more incentive than Motorola to make these chips faster and faster. Apple is not IBM's only client.
Also, the 64-bit stuff is not the coolest part of this new chip, but its enhanced speed to talk to other parts of the computer with a faster front-side bus and other enhancements.
This will be a very fast chip even at 2.1 GHz.!!! I can't wait for June!
Cheers!
Remember in all this discussion that not only does IBM produce the 970 for Apple, but it will use it in its own blade servers!
It has much more incentive than Motorola to make these chips faster and faster. Apple is not IBM's only client.
Also, the 64-bit stuff is not the coolest part of this new chip, but its enhanced speed to talk to other parts of the computer with a faster front-side bus and other enhancements.
This will be a very fast chip even at 2.1 GHz.!!! I can't wait for June!
Cheers!
MacKiDo G3 G4 info
The site has serious cobwebs on it, but MacKiDo still has some good spec's on the G3 and G4's from when they were fairly new:
Check out:
http://www.mackido.com/Hardware/
(Scroll to bottom for PPC stuff)
The site has serious cobwebs on it, but MacKiDo still has some good spec's on the G3 and G4's from when they were fairly new:
Check out:
http://www.mackido.com/Hardware/
(Scroll to bottom for PPC stuff)
Sue Sue Sue.
While I agree that Motorola has not performed as they should. It is very unfortunate that they should have to sue.
In my mind working out some other sort of compensation would be much better.
As someone here mentioned: Even if they win, they lose.
Apple should not sue for the sole reason that sueing promotes sueing. And if Apple sues Motorola, that encourages us to sue our aunts.
I don't like it.
Apple: I know it's business, but you're innovative. Figure a better way out.
While I agree that Motorola has not performed as they should. It is very unfortunate that they should have to sue.
In my mind working out some other sort of compensation would be much better.
As someone here mentioned: Even if they win, they lose.
Apple should not sue for the sole reason that sueing promotes sueing. And if Apple sues Motorola, that encourages us to sue our aunts.
I don't like it.
Apple: I know it's business, but you're innovative. Figure a better way out.
Re: Re: Re: Disloyalty
Hey, we're not compliaining about the G3, are we?
We never really complained about the 603 and 604's. (or at least there was no complaining I was aware of.)
The problem was that while the pentium world was increasing clock speeds by the hundreds of megahertz, motorola was still going 50-66mhz at a time... Only recently did we have over a 100mhz clock speed upgrade.
The 970's will scream now, and for quite some time. With rumors circulating about a 2.5ghz version, I think we should all be happy. a 700mhz jump in clock speed is nothing to mess with, especially on the first update to a processor...
I'll admit it. I am ashamed of my user name... I just need something new and snappy to replace it...
Hey, we're not compliaining about the G3, are we?
We never really complained about the 603 and 604's. (or at least there was no complaining I was aware of.)
The problem was that while the pentium world was increasing clock speeds by the hundreds of megahertz, motorola was still going 50-66mhz at a time... Only recently did we have over a 100mhz clock speed upgrade.
The 970's will scream now, and for quite some time. With rumors circulating about a 2.5ghz version, I think we should all be happy. a 700mhz jump in clock speed is nothing to mess with, especially on the first update to a processor...
I'll admit it. I am ashamed of my user name... I just need something new and snappy to replace it...
Two things...rants, for you too ponder:
1. Apple had to know a long time ago that the G5 wasn't going to see the light of day. Man? I've been reading G5 rumours for 3 or 4 years now. If they can say with a straight face that they only found out 4 months ago that no G5 would ever surface Steve and the Mac boys must have some serious communication problems within the ompany. The 970 alternative has been thrown around for at least a year. Moto must be really good at stringing people along or Steve jobs and Co. are incredibly naive.
2. If the 970 does indeed shows it's face this June There better have the damn option of getting a multi buttoned pro mouse. I've been waiting for a long time to upgrade and when I flop my $5500 CDN down for a new mac the last thing I want to do is dish out another $45 for a multibuttoned mouse. Get over it steve! The one button mouse is dead. If you want to create a professional workstation then give us a damn 3 buttoned mouse.
1. Apple had to know a long time ago that the G5 wasn't going to see the light of day. Man? I've been reading G5 rumours for 3 or 4 years now. If they can say with a straight face that they only found out 4 months ago that no G5 would ever surface Steve and the Mac boys must have some serious communication problems within the ompany. The 970 alternative has been thrown around for at least a year. Moto must be really good at stringing people along or Steve jobs and Co. are incredibly naive.
2. If the 970 does indeed shows it's face this June There better have the damn option of getting a multi buttoned pro mouse. I've been waiting for a long time to upgrade and when I flop my $5500 CDN down for a new mac the last thing I want to do is dish out another $45 for a multibuttoned mouse. Get over it steve! The one button mouse is dead. If you want to create a professional workstation then give us a damn 3 buttoned mouse.
Turning point
Motorola have not been any use to Apple for many years now. The last major architecture advance was with the G3, and then later only with AltiVec. The G4 is only a modification of the G3 with added vec units and a couple of other changes.
The prospect of a new partnership with a manufacturer who is really pushing the envelope in the direction of the PPC architecture is very exciting. The best thing about this partnership is the fact that IBM is increasingly using the PPC arch. in it's server solutions. This will give Apple, and us an exponential increase in the development and improvement of the processors which we have not seen from Moto for years.
IBM will be pushing R&D very hard to give them the edge with the PPC arch, and move some of their Intel powered boxes over to the Power4/5 or 970's. I know they will not remove Intel completely it's obvious, but they will try to give their PPC systems the edge. They are out there to prove themselves, after all it is business.
Motorola have not been any use to Apple for many years now. The last major architecture advance was with the G3, and then later only with AltiVec. The G4 is only a modification of the G3 with added vec units and a couple of other changes.
The prospect of a new partnership with a manufacturer who is really pushing the envelope in the direction of the PPC architecture is very exciting. The best thing about this partnership is the fact that IBM is increasingly using the PPC arch. in it's server solutions. This will give Apple, and us an exponential increase in the development and improvement of the processors which we have not seen from Moto for years.
IBM will be pushing R&D very hard to give them the edge with the PPC arch, and move some of their Intel powered boxes over to the Power4/5 or 970's. I know they will not remove Intel completely it's obvious, but they will try to give their PPC systems the edge. They are out there to prove themselves, after all it is business.