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The next step in this annual rumour cycle is the rumour about the release date of the invitations to the event :p
 
I purchased a 4S when it was released in Oct 2011, so I am eligible for upgrade - I will most likely purchase the new one when it comes out this fall. :)

Same here, but I want more GB 128 minimum.

Between music etc. and not trusting iCloud for now I need the memory on my phone.
 
But the thing about that is if you make a halfway decent product or have a useful feature there is no need for it to be disabled. This is not saying that I don't agree we should be able to disable stock apps but to feel so uncertain about the core features of your new phone that you must make them disable-able... that says something.

It does. And I know that for some it's a moot point, and indeed it's worth noting that even I don't see it as a major issue, just a slight inconvenience when I get mail and TWO apps send me notifications, or I go to send an email from a web browser and my iPad asks me to setup Mail.

Having the option would be sweet.

Unless I'm going to be able to completely turn off the fingerprint reader, I'm not going to buy this phone....

I never even thought about the fingerprint reader. Although, I don't see Apple putting one in. It's too . . . . un Apple like. Sadly, I am starting to say that with just about every feature nowadays.
 
It is beyond sad that this is what passes as innovation these days...

It's beyond sad that you can't refute any of Samsung's accomplishments, so you label it sad, that's beyond sad. What is really sad is people getting excited about a tin can and a new wallpaper.

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Merriam Webster is your friend. Look up the meaning of innovation. Bye.

So going by your narrow definition of the word you don't think the iPhone or iPad are innovations? That's some dumb thought process you got going on.
 
It's beyond sad that you can't refute any of Samsung's accomplishments, so you label it sad, that's beyond sad. What is really sad is people getting excited about a tin can and a new wallpaper.

I am sorry, but making a gigantic 5.5" screened phone with a once dubbed "archaic" stylus more useful than an easy to hold tiny screened phone, an awkward to hold for long periods tablet, and at times a full sized laptop all combined is something to take . . . . . . Note of.
 
It's beyond sad that you can't refute any of Samsung's accomplishments, so you label it sad, that's beyond sad. What is really sad is people getting excited about a tin can and a new .

What is there to refute?? Yes, I agree Samsung makes phones with huge screens. No, that is not innovative.

By your logic, if apple creates an iPhone with a 7 inch screen, they're suddenly innovative?

Stop using the word if you don't know what it means.
 
Two new versions of the iPhone, is 1 version more then the usual release. That is a 100% increase. And you are not thinking forward into the future. The Apple of the 90's bloat did not happen over night. It took years. But it had to start somewhere. The main point here is to notice the signs before it gets out of control. So you prevent it ever getting out of control.

And Apple's margins are slowly shrinking. iPad mini then the iPhone 5C then who knows what else. There is an obvious trend starting up here. One I do not like.

Having a cheaper phone or cheaper anything is not always the answer as you think it should be. People wanted Apple to make a cheaper notebook in the sub $1000 range. Apple said no. And gave the public a premium table instead. That was the right move.

I am not saying a cheaper iPhone is or is not the right idea. I am just saying to seriously think about it. Would I buy a cheap iPhone 5C new outright if it was released in Australia and looked good? Probably yes. And I think a lot of people would. But long term is this in Apple's best interests? I simply don't know.

Also you talk about the printers and other cheap junk the 90's Apple sold. That's only part of the reason. There was bloat, with stuff like the newtons, too many Mac models. And the clones really hurt Apple too. It was a combination of everything.

in short your statement is correct for today. But you need to think into the future. Skate to where the puck will be. And see that the trends Apple are starting today could potentially have devastating consequences for Apple in the future. I know I am being critical of Apple on an Apple fanboi site. But that is exactly how I feel on the situation.

It won't be one more than usual, they will phase out the iPhone 4 and instead of selling the previous years model as the new entry level model each year it will be replaced with the iPhone 5c and subsequent iPhone C refreshes. The iPhone 5c will probably be cheaper to make then the iPhone 4 (previous years models) which means better margins.

I really can't fathom how you are getting all concerned over Apple releasing one additional model in it's phone lineup, it's the same scenario as the iPad Mini and we know how that turned out. If they start pumping out phones like Samsung, then you have legitimate reasons to be concerned.

Apple make around 40 billion in profit each year, in order to please investors they need to keep growing and they can't grow without new markets and product categories, that's where your concerns should lie and not being obsessed with every single product they release, I'm sure they have lots of people doing market research and studies in to whether the iPhone 5c is beneficial to the company. Even if you aren't an investor but just love Apple products more profits means more money to spend on R&D which will benefit customers and investors.

The right move here is to get emerging markets like China, India etc in to the Apple ecosystem and not price yourself out of markets that have huge growth potential, unlike most developed nations where smartphone sales will start to stagnate due to saturation.

In regards to your last statement... I'm glad I have your approval (even if only for today) just curious what fortune 500 company you run?
 
Retailers have a hard time satisfying current demands with only 2-colors.
How in the world are they going to handle 7 or 8?
If the 5C is real you know it's going to come with only one storage capacity option. No way are retailers going to tie up that much capital stocking every flavor.
 
2 things that can't be in the same sentence. Emerging markets and $490!.

I agree.

If the purpose of the 5C is to target the emerging markets, then a $500 phone will not cut it. I mean, it's only a 20% discount of the 5S full price. Chances are that if you cannot afford to spend $600 on a phone (5S), then you cannot afford $500 either (5C).

They would need to price it SIGNIFICANTLY lower than $500 to really target emerging markets, and I don't see Apple producing a $300 iPhone.

Therefore... what is the point of the 5C at all then?
 
Great...This is a deliberate leak from Tim Cook. I think he's had enough of the rumors and accusations that Apple has stopped innovation under his watch. He's like, all right, I'll show you whiners what innovations look at on Sept. 10! :D
 
Think again..........

Retailers have a hard time satisfying current demands with only 2-colors.
How in the world are they going to handle 7 or 8?
If the 5C is real you know it's going to come with only one storage capacity option. No way are retailers going to tie up that much capital stocking every flavor.

Think about the past iPad releases.

White 16GB WiFi
White 16GB AT&T
White 16GB Verizon
Black 16GB WiFi
Black 16GB AT&T
Black 16GB Verizon

Repeat that again for 32GB and 64GB models and your looking at 18 versions. So, I would not completely rule out muliple sizes of the "5C".
 
Two new versions of the iPhone, is 1 version more then the usual release. That is a 100% increase. And you are not thinking forward into the future. The Apple of the 90's bloat did not happen over night. It took years. But it had to start somewhere. The main point here is to notice the signs before it gets out of control. So you prevent it ever getting out of control.

Apple sells 3 models of iPhone currently.

In the fall they will sell only 2 models, but you think the Apple lineup is gaining bloat?

2+2=5?
 
First of all, Aluminium is not that cheap, there are different kinds of aluminium: the one use on planes/spacecrafts (duralumin), the cheap one used on beer cans (judging from your posts, i'm pretty sure you are familiar with canned beer.), etc.

Second, it's not cheap to process it. Look at a macbook: unibody design, high quality anodizing, etc. Just look at the microphone holes, ffs, you think that is cheap?

Of course you can buy GS4 backs for 6 bux. They are just thin sheets of aluminium. Like in a beer can. No processing, no anodizing, no tight fit so it will rattle...

Its cheap, whether or not your want to admit it. You dont work with it so all your doing is throwing out statements with no merit. Why do you think it is used in many products? Because it is light and cheap. Once again, look it up.

Apple uses the 6000 series Aluminum on the phones and Macbooks. You will find buying in quanities it can be had for $600 a ton, $2600 for five tons, etc... do the math. Im sure Apple buys it in mass quanities. Yes there is a process to the finished product but it isnt as expensive to make as you think. Hec i dont know who their supplier is , and they may even be getting it cheaper than what ive been seeing you can get it for.

I dont like it on phones and tablets because it is too slippery for me. I actually love the back of the Nexus 7 (the first version).
My wifes phone has an aluminum back and i hate it. Had to have my first gen iPhone in a case because it was too slippery. Never again for me!
And i hate to break it to you, the iPhone uses thin sheets of aluminum too. It isnt thicker than what you can buy for the GS3 or GS4.
 
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I've been using the iPhone for a while now, first 3GS, then 4, 4S. I also have the iPad 2 and Mini. Switching to a competitor is getting more difficult the more iProducts and apps you have; it's an ecosystem that works pretty well. But, I feel that it's time for me to move on and try something new if it's just going to be a minor update to the iPhone 5, as the 4S was. I expect innovation and for Apple to take the lead in the competition now, and that's not just about making the processor a bit faster or include more memory.

To me, not a lot have changed in hardware or iOS since the 3GS and, although much welcome, I don't really feel that iOS 7 is a game changer...
 
I am sorry, but making a gigantic 5.5" screened phone with a once dubbed "archaic" stylus more useful than an easy to hold tiny screened phone, an awkward to hold for long periods tablet, and at times a full sized laptop all combined is something to take . . . . . . Note of.

I suppose you find writing with pen and paper archaic too...

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What is there to refute?? Yes, I agree Samsung makes phones with huge screens. No, that is not innovative.

By your logic, if apple creates an iPhone with a 7 inch screen, they're suddenly innovative?

Stop using the word if you don't know what it means.
They already have it's called the iPad Mini.
 
Stop the 16gb crap.... It's time to start with 32. For iPad at least.

16gb is a great entry product. It's clearly not for you, and that's why :apple: sells a 32gb, 64gb and 128gb product to clearly address the space issues you are encountering.

in my environment the 16gb is a great corporate product. (We would even buy an 8gb device if they sold it). We use apps that have in house cloud storage, and Apps that interface with our enterprise system, thus 16gb is really overkill for storage. Users are allowed to take pictures of products that are auto-uploaded into our system which is where they will be ending up anyways.

We are currently experimenting on how to integrate iPod and iPhones into a BYOD type setup for those users who do not want to be assigned 16gb iPad Minis / or full size iPads.
 
It won't be one more than usual, they will phase out the iPhone 4 and instead of selling the previous years model as the new entry level model each year it will be replaced with the iPhone 5c and subsequent iPhone C refreshes. The iPhone 5c will probably be cheaper to make then the iPhone 4 (previous years models) which means better margins.

I really can't fathom how you are getting all concerned over Apple releasing one additional model in it's phone lineup, it's the same scenario as the iPad Mini and we know how that turned out. If they start pumping out phones like Samsung, then you have legitimate reasons to be concerned.

Apple make around 40 billion in profit each year, in order to please investors they need to keep growing and they can't grow without new markets and product categories, that's where your concerns should lie and not being obsessed with every single product they release, I'm sure they have lots of people doing market research and studies in to whether the iPhone 5c is beneficial to the company. Even if you aren't an investor but just love Apple products more profits means more money to spend on R&D which will benefit customers and investors.

The right move here is to get emerging markets like China, India etc in to the Apple ecosystem and not price yourself out of markets that have huge growth potential, unlike most developed nations where smartphone sales will start to stagnate due to saturation.

In regards to your last statement... I'm glad I have your approval (even if only for today) just curious what fortune 500 company you run?

1. What fortune 500 company do you run?
Rhetorical question. Neither of us do.

2. The right moves is keeping every market full of products without oversupply and no bloat.

3. You still fail to see that a trend is starting now. If it will continue or not into the future is anyone's best guess. I see it. And I am legitimately concerned about it.

4. More products does not always equal more profits. Less can sometimes give you a better profit share. It's a tricky balance to maintain. One I am sure Cook and co have well under control at the moment. In the future, no one knows.

5. Apple's crazy growth rates have to plateau sometime. There are not infinite markets to grow into. I think Apple is just delaying the inevitable. And the question is when this happens, what will Apple do about it?

6. My reasoning for all of this is Jobs Vs Cook. Jobs possibly would have never brought out an iPad Mini or an iPhone C or similar products. And it's very suspect how they are all rushed out now. The only 2 options are, they were worked on but not finished when Jobs died, or they were ideas with no Jobs approval, that can be done now because Jobs approval is no longer needed, cause he's dead. My guess is that it's the latter.

Also what is Jobs first move as CEO, cut the waste. What is Cook's first move (post Jobs death)? Add more product lines.

I would guess you understand my point well, but just do not agree with it. And that's fine, we all have our own opinions. But we understand each other, and that is good.

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Apple sells 3 models of iPhone currently.

In the fall they will sell only 2 models, but you think the Apple lineup is gaining bloat?

2+2=5?

Can you point me to the rumours that say that the iPhone 5 and iPhone 4S will be discontinued when the iPhone 5S (or 6, whatever we get) is released? I didn't see any any.

Not sarcasm. I seriously would like to see these rumour articles to see what people thought of the idea.
 
16gb is a great entry product. It's clearly not for you, and that's why :apple: sells a 32gb, 64gb and 128gb product to clearly address the space issues you are encountering.

in my environment the 16gb is a great corporate product. (We would even buy an 8gb device if they sold it). We use apps that have in house cloud storage, and Apps that interface with our enterprise system, thus 16gb is really overkill for storage. Users are allowed to take pictures of products that are auto-uploaded into our system which is where they will be ending up anyways.

We are currently experimenting on how to integrate iPod and iPhones into a BYOD type setup for those users who do not want to be assigned 16gb iPad Minis / or full size iPads.

Agree on the space entry. 8 GB's what they need to stop selling like the Nexus 4 has. However , i dont know why we even need to have iPods anymore. I never use mine, i just use my phone. Cant imagine they are selling very well any longer with their high pricetag.
 
I suppose you find writing with pen and paper archaic too...

Yes, I do, but either way, I was supporting what you were saying albeit sarcastically.

I think the Note 2 was the most innovative device to come out since the iPhone all things considered. It really made the stylus not only useful again, but extremely practical in a device that size.

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Think about the past iPad releases.

White 16GB WiFi
White 16GB AT&T
White 16GB Verizon
Black 16GB WiFi
Black 16GB AT&T
Black 16GB Verizon

Repeat that again for 32GB and 64GB models and your looking at 18 versions. So, I would not completely rule out muliple sizes of the "5C".

I actually would. If Apple were going to keep costs down, and inundate the market with millions of 5C handsets, it'd make sense to just keep it to a 16GB model.

Maybe a 32GB if the prices ca be kept down.
 
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