Apple Tops Dell as Most Sought After Desktop Computers

[gnasher729]

This doesn't translate remotely into sales.

See http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2013/10/10/pc-market-consolidating-around-top-3-vendors/ for example. An estimate of 4.4 million Macs compared to around 14 million from Lenevo, 14 million from HP and 9.5 million from HP.

Instead of looking at unit sales, look at revenue. And suddenly, Apple is up there.
Instead of looking at revenue, look at profit. And suddenly, Apple is the absolute leader, with last estimates 45% of all profits going to Apple (more than 3 times more than Dell, and that was before Dell's profits dropped).

 

[JesterJJZ]

Wow the nMP is ugly…

They made a design that's basically impossible to photoshop into anything and make it look nice.

 

[gnasher729]

No they are not. They make too many compromises with hardware to make things look cool. I have a £3000 laptop (rMBP) that doesn't have an ethernet port. I want a powerful laptop not a one that's a little bit thinner.

I have a £1900 laptop (rMBP) that works just fine with an Ethernet-to-USB adapter that I bought for £2.50 on eBay. Which is in the drawer most of the time

 

[Peace]

Wow the nMP is ugly…

They made a design that's basically impossible to photoshop into anything and make it look nice.

I think it's one of the best looking power machines soon to be on the market.

 

[wilhoitm]

This doesn't translate remotely into sales.

See http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2013/10/10/pc-market-consolidating-around-top-3-vendors/ for example. An estimate of 4.4 million Macs compared to around 14 million from Lenevo, 14 million from HP and 9.5 million from HP.

But I bet Apple makes more profit. Since plastic Dell's sell for like $299! Apple gets that for a low end iPad! It is not about the sales it is the profit! Think Mercedes and BMW vs the Ford Focus!

 

[numlock]

Instead of looking at unit sales, look at revenue. And suddenly, Apple is up there.
Instead of looking at revenue, look at profit. And suddenly, Apple is the absolute leader, with last estimates 45% of all profits going to Apple (more than 3 times more than Dell, and that was before Dell's profits dropped).

can you add more sentences to your post that have less to do with the topic at hand?

why customers feel happy their "fav" product has the highest margin is beyond me. hopefully that outlook on life will soon extend itself to car mechanic costs and invoices from lawyers who bill more hours than there are in a day

 

[osofast240sx]

I would be interested to see if this survey of intention will show a shift in end of year figures. Especially when we are seeing that cheaper alternatives are winning the sale battles, over more expensive items in the iDevices markets.

For example, cheaper and reasonably functioning Android devices over iDevices.

Sales, shipments or web usage?? We all know getting actual sales numbers from android is next to impossible. We all know shipments for android include cameras, refrigerators, washer/dryer hotspots ect. Web usage is the best gauge to compare iOS to Android(we all know what that figure looks like).

 

[gnasher729]

But I bet Apple makes more profit. Since plastic Dell's sell for like $299! Apple gets that for a low end iPad! It is not about the sales it is the profit! Think Mercedes and BMW vs the Ford Focus!

If Apple wanted to be the #1 in computer unit sales, I think Acer and Asus would sell their computer divisions for a good price (less than one quarter of iPhone + iPad profits). But that's not Apple's goal. To most people it would seem stupid to judge Apple on not achieving something that they don't have the slightest intention to achieve.

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can you add more sentences to your post that have less to do with the topic at hand?

why customers feel happy their "fav" product has the highest margin is beyond me. hopefully that outlook on life will soon extend itself to car mechanic costs and invoices from lawyers who bill more hours than there are in a day

What I posted has everything to do with the topic. Some poster claimed that success of a computer company should be measured by taking unit sales, and then said that by that measure Apple was far behind HP, Lenovo and Dell. I corrected him saying that unit sales is obviously _not_ a valid measurement of success. Revenue is a much better measurement (you wouldn't say that one car company selling a 30 ton truck and another selling a tiny van are the same, because that would be nonsense) for relevance in the market, but profit is the measurement for success.

And Apple's profit doesn't come from overcharging, as you seem to indicate, but from making products that are so much better than the competitors' products that Apple doesn't have to try to sell them on price. Think about this: Why don't HP, Dell and Lenovo charge more to make more profit? Do you think it's because they are so in love with their customers that they want them to keep their money, or is there some other reason?

By the way: This is just in the news. HP cutting jobs because of falling demand. I wouldn't buy a computer from a company that fires 1,100 employees near where I live. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...er-1-100-jobs-in-the-uk-due-to-falling-demand

 

[rmwebs]

QUOTE=Redneck1089;18460597]Ugh, disappointing.

I hope the new Mac Pro flops for being a limited and completely disposable design that's way over priced.[/QUOTE]

You're kidding right? I mean, I completely agree on price, but other than that the damn thing is infinitely expandable via it's 6 thunderbolt ports. This isn't a machine for the average joe, it's a machine for people who need things like massive storage arrays.

What exactly is missing that you expected? Anything not included can be added on as needed.

 

[ThomasJL]

If Apple's computers externally looked like Dell's, and if Dell's computers externally looked like Apple's, I would still buy Apple's computers. Based on functionality alone, despite Apple's flaws, Apple's computers are far more reliable and user-friendly than Dell's.

 

[vmistery]

People actually want Dells? Well each to their own, they certainly make up a very large proportion of the repairs I do however for friends.

 

[jmpnop]

Try taking the current/old Mac pro on a plane.

New Mac Pro + external Thunderbolt raid array = more processing power, more storage, significantly less weight/space.

Why would you want to take Mac Pro on a plane? Desktops aren't meant for portability, they are meant to used at a single place. You'll be better off with a Macbook Pro if you want portability.

Regardless, this is no excuse for a desktop computer to make it hard if not possible at all to upgrade CPU/GPU (and maybe storage). 256GB storage for a pro machine, really?! And I don't understand the point of keeping everything external, it creates so much clutter.

If you like the idea of a non-upgradable pro machine (relative to the outgoing model) and trashcan design with clutter, this Mac Pro will certainly appeal to you.

Can't innovate anymore, my ass

 

[numlock]

What I posted has everything to do with the topic. Some poster claimed that success of a computer company should be measured by taking unit sales, and then said that by that measure Apple was far behind HP, Lenovo and Dell. I corrected him saying that unit sales is obviously _not_ a valid measurement of success. Revenue is a much better measurement (you wouldn't say that one car company selling a 30 ton truck and another selling a tiny van are the same, because that would be nonsense) for relevance in the market, but profit is the measurement for success.

And Apple's profit doesn't come from overcharging, as you seem to indicate, but from making products that are so much better than the competitors' products that Apple doesn't have to try to sell them on price. Think about this: Why don't HP, Dell and Lenovo charge more to make more profit? Do you think it's because they are so in love with their customers that they want them to keep their money, or is there some other reason?

By the way: This is just in the news. HP cutting jobs because of falling demand. I wouldn't buy a computer from a company that fires 1,100 employees near where I live. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...er-1-100-jobs-in-the-uk-due-to-falling-demand

he did nothing of the kind. he said sought after dosent translate into sales which it obviously dosent.

you responded by talking about revenue and proft (both of which have nothing to do with this topic)

now if you dont have the highest number of sales and you have the biggest profit then obviously you have the highest margin. overcharging is subjective but anyone choosing to buy more ram or a bigger hard drive from apple knows whether they do or dont.

not everyone can buy apple so while some prefer dell and hp some have no choice. thats partly due to downsizings like you mention and big business keeping wages down.

but i agree that shouldnt fill you with confidence and you possibly should feel hard done by it but things like this are cyclical and apple has let people go in the past and possible in the future as well

 

[iBug2]

Why would you want to take Mac Pro on a plane? Desktops aren't meant for portability, they are meant to used at a single place. You'll be better off with a Macbook Pro if you want portability.

Who said so? I want a portable desktop. I carried my Mac Pro too many times on an Airplane, it's a nightmare to pack that thing into a suitcase and hope that nothing gets damaged during the flight.

Desktops should be meant for portability. The only reason we don't have portable desktops is that we didn't have the tech to do it until now. Cube was a portable desktop with 0 expandability. It didn't work back then. But today external expansion does work.

 

[numlock]

Who said so? I want a portable desktop. I carried my Mac Pro too many times on an Airplane, it's a nightmare to pack that thing into a suitcase and hope that nothing gets damaged during the flight.

Desktops should be meant for portability. The only reason we don't have portable desktops is that we didn't have the tech to do it until now. Cube was a portable desktop with 0 expandability. It didn't work back then. But today external expansion does work.

shouldnt it rather be a choice?

i doubt they designed the new macpro because they wanted to please all the pro´s on the go

 

[BlueParadox]

Why would you want to take Mac Pro on a plane? Desktops aren't meant for portability, they are meant to used at a single place. You'll be better off with a Macbook Pro if you want portability.

Regardless, this is no excuse for a desktop computer to make it hard if not possible at all to upgrade CPU/GPU (and maybe storage). 256GB storage for a pro machine, really?! And I don't understand the point of keeping everything external, it creates so much clutter.


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If you like the idea of a non-upgradable pro machine (relative to the outgoing model) and trashcan design with clutter, this Mac Pro will certainly appeal to you.

Can't innovate anymore, my ass

Ah, that silly argument once again. If that's the way you plan to set-up the new Mac Pro, methinks it's not for you. I can't wait!

 

[iBug2]

shouldnt it rather be a choice?

i doubt they designed the new macpro because they wanted to please all the pro´s on the go

It certainly wasn't the only factor but I bet it was one factor. It's much cheaper for Apple to ship them all around the world or stock them as well. Portability is good for Apple and for the user. When it's broken, it's much easier to transport it in your backpack to a repair shop too.

 

[numlock]

It certainly wasn't the only factor but I bet it was one factor. It's much cheaper for Apple to ship them all around the world or stock them as well. Portability is good for Apple and for the user. When it's broken, it's much easier to transport it in your backpack to a repair shop too.

but again shouldnt it be a choice for the consumer to buy a machine that is quite capable and can be moved around or one that is not as easy to move around and offers some benefits instead?

but im sure they thought about their transport costs. your ease of transport i doubt was high on their list. this is after all the company that released a wired mouse that had a cord so short you could hardly use it to the right of an ibook

i only look at this from the imac perspective where removing features (perhaps not used so much) and making it deceptively thin but for what purpose exactly?

 

[jm001]

Who? Try more people wanting dells than Macs. Secondly, look at dell sales vs. Mac. Everyone wants a Porsche but they buy Volkswagon.

You comparing a Dell to a Volkswagon... um more like a Chrysler. Dell's are horrible computers. In my company they break down within a year requiring replacement of parts. We order about a 1000+ Dells and about 40% of them are sent for repair within 1.5 years. They're cheaper than a Mac and that's the bottom line.

 

[gnasher729]

not everyone can buy apple so while some prefer dell and hp some have no choice. thats partly due to downsizings like you mention and big business keeping wages down.

You are saying now that people should buy cheap HP computers because they can't afford Macs because HP is "downsizing"? And I personally prefer calling it "firing 1,100 employees" and not use a euphemism like "downsizing".

 

[Lesser Evets]

And as for Dell... who on Earth wanted their desktops before?

That was the first thing I thought, too.

People aspire for Apple. People settle for a Dell.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

Sure, but why would someone specifically seek out a Dell? (No, not a Windows PC, but a Dell vs an HP or other Win compat. brand). Win PCs have been commodities for over a decade. People buy based on price and needed features. If someone wants a Mac OS machine it's Apple or bust take it or leave it (forget about Hackintosh... That's getting into geekery hobby land).

Is Mac marketshare above Windows? Haven't checked lately, but don't think so. I don't care for Windows, never have. I've been on a steady Mac diet since OS 6. I def take what Apple spoons out. IMHO OS X is a much more consumer accessible, manageable, & maintainable OS than Win (pick your version) But stories like this are silly.

 

[proline]

You're kidding right? I mean, I completely agree on price, but other than that the damn thing is infinitely expandable via it's 6 thunderbolt ports. This isn't a machine for the average joe, it's a machine for people who need things like massive storage arrays.

What exactly is missing that you expected? Anything not included can be added on as needed.

If you think the Mac Pro is "way overpriced" you should do a little research. The dual Fire Pro graphics cards alone would cost you $1200 on Amazon. The CPU also runs in the hundreds of dollars, as does 12 GB of high-end RAM, etc. Will Apple make a profit on it? Sure. Do you know how to take advantage of all that power? No, but that doesn't make it "way overpriced". In the hands of its intended users its a good value.

 

[Elbon]

This doesn't translate remotely into sales.

See http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2013/10/10/pc-market-consolidating-around-top-3-vendors/ for example. An estimate of 4.4 million Macs compared to around 14 million from Lenevo, 14 million from HP and 9.5 million from HP.

I'm guessing that the majority of Windows PCs are still being purchased for corporate use. This article is about consumers searching for gifts, which are probably intended for home use. So the fact that more users may be considering Macs vs. Dells for use at home is significant, and is great news for Apple.

 

[numlock]

You are saying now that people should buy cheap HP computers because they can't afford Macs because HP is "downsizing"? And I personally prefer calling it "firing 1,100 employees" and not use a euphemism like "downsizing".

you are quite good at misunderstanding what people write. i dont have any opinion on what people should do however with prices generally going up far beyond the increase in wages more expensive things are beyonds lots of people.

sure lets call it firing. its nothing else. its a brutal action against the workers