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Apple makes desktops? Certainly not consumer grade ones, the iMac is a laptop on a stick and the Mac Pro is for pros.

You mean the ones that trounce most stock Dell Desktops in Speed tests?

CPU is Desktop Class. So many people think they still use mobile.
GPU is Mobile but 750 / 755 / 775 aint bad at all.
Fusion Drives / SSD are incredibly fast.
 
Why would you want to take Mac Pro on a plane? Desktops aren't meant for portability, they are meant to used at a single place. You'll be better off with a Macbook Pro if you want portability.

Regardless, this is no excuse for a desktop computer to make it hard if not possible at all to upgrade CPU/GPU (and maybe storage). 256GB storage for a pro machine, really?! And I don't understand the point of keeping everything external, it creates so much clutter.


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If you like the idea of a non-upgradable pro machine (relative to the outgoing model) and trashcan design with clutter, this Mac Pro will certainly appeal to you.

Can't innovate anymore, my ass;):rolleyes:

Based on my experience, anyone who is a pro and would use this as a pro would be using network drives managed by the data center, so this image is not really any kind of reality. In todays design shops and technology companies, storing information locally is not best practice. I think that Apple did a good job at moving the pro to what the pro's need horsepower and graphics, everyhting else like storage is managed somewhere else -- not attached.
 
Ugh, disappointing.

I hope the new Mac Pro flops for being a limited and completely disposable design that's way over priced.

New groundbreaking hardware is always expensive and unreachable to the masses. Just because you can't afford it doesn't make it a bad product.
 
Who said so? I want a portable desktop. I carried my Mac Pro too many times on an Airplane, it's a nightmare to pack that thing into a suitcase and hope that nothing gets damaged during the flight.

If you want a portable "desktop" that you can take on a plane, there is this nifty thing called a.... wait for it... wait for it... lap.... wait for it... top. Laptop.

I don't know what kind of work you do, that you need to travel with your desktop on a plane, but where I work we have given all the news editors Retina Macbook Pro 15" with 16gb ram and 500 SSD. Our editors edit the news segments on the fly...

I was given a choice between a Windows PC and a Mac. I chose a macbook pro (same config as above) to do my work, which is application package deployment. I run a Windows 8.1 VM for all my windows imaging work and I run OS X for the rest of my work, and I have a really good performance building images.

Maybe you need to hire a consultant to recommend you better workflows my friend.
 
Who? Try more people wanting dells than Macs. Secondly, look at dell sales vs. Mac. Everyone wants a Porsche but they buy Volkswagon.

Apple has always been an aspirational brand who made aspirational products.

But about the Dell slide downward. I'm reminded of RCA's similar downward slide. The once-proud company who owned the lion's share of the US TV market, has now been bought and sold so many times that it's the same company in name only. They're owned by a French concern now, and their TVs are crap.
 
I am not saying anything of the sort.

However, web usage is not the matter at hand, [hard] sales are and there are plenty of statistics laying around to support those realities. Similar to the PC market share, growth and shipment statistic's I posted earlier.

EDIT:

To answer your "But can you prove it??" question.

See images below, which represent the figures revealed from Apple and Google respectively earlier this year themselves. So like I said, it is undeniable.

When my company switched from BlackBerry over to android they paid a whopping nine dollars per phone. Half of them were never activated because they bought more phones then employees. Do you have statistics for that?
 
See images below, which represent the figures revealed from Apple and Google respectively earlier this year themselves.

Those are not the same numbers.

Apple's numbers are device sales and the Android number is activations.

"Yes," you say, "but you have to sell a device before you can activate it!"

This is true, but as of right now we have zero way of knowing how many of those are things like Android smart phones and tablets and how many are things like web TV dongles and cheap tablets sold in China that are literally only used to play pirated movies and nothing else.

So the numbers do mean something, but we can't tell exactly what they're telling us. It depends on who you are, too. If you sell glass for device screens then you don't care what's happening to the phones after you sell your screen. But if you're Google or a developer you don't care about all of those devices that have no intention of using your services, viewing your ads, or buying your apps.

So what number should you care about? How many of those Android activations matter to us? Don't know. We can't tell.

I'm not claiming to have an answer, but my point is that no one else can have an answer either. Maybe Google can, but they're not saying because, of course, it looks better to just put the biggest number up there they can.

That's good for Google but we can't just accept that as being equal to Apple's sales numbers. It's not the same thing being compared.
 
I am guessing Dell won earlier years just because of brand recognition. And Apple won this year because iPhone's and iPad's have made macs seem more affordable. That and many of the lines actually did get price drops.

If you ask random people in the US about a computer manufacturer then most will probably answer Dell or Apple. Acer, Asus, Lenovo, etc seem to do very little marketing in the US.
 
If you want a portable "desktop" that you can take on a plane, there is this nifty thing called a.... wait for it... wait for it... lap.... wait for it... top. Laptop.

I don't know what kind of work you do, that you need to travel with your desktop on a plane, but where I work we have given all the news editors Retina Macbook Pro 15" with 16gb ram and 500 SSD. Our editors edit the news segments on the fly...

I was given a choice between a Windows PC and a Mac. I chose a macbook pro (same config as above) to do my work, which is application package deployment. I run a Windows 8.1 VM for all my windows imaging work and I run OS X for the rest of my work, and I have a really good performance building images.

Maybe you need to hire a consultant to recommend you better workflows my friend.

It's great that you work in a field that doesn't need maximum horsepower or major graphics abilities.

I'm happy for you.

But your complete ignorance of the fact that fields like mine even exist if a bit perplexing. I know you don't do much video compositing in your line of work but it's not at all like video editing. The workload increases exponentially as you start to dig yourself deeper into a project. A laptop's video card is just not up to the job.
 
Instead of looking at unit sales, look at revenue. And suddenly, Apple is up there.
Instead of looking at revenue, look at profit. And suddenly, Apple is the absolute leader, with last estimates 45% of all profits going to Apple (more than 3 times more than Dell, and that was before Dell's profits dropped).

And profits are always most important to non stock holding consumers.
 
Ugh, disappointing.

I hope the new Mac Pro flops for being a limited and completely disposable design that's way over priced.

The computer is aimed at professionals that need the processing power for their job. For them it is not overpriced. You should just get a personal consumer aimed Mac mini and be done with it.

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PCs still cheaper and they do the job in an office. Besides ITs loves PC because they give them work to do.

Funny you mention that. In fact IT personnel despise PC precisely because they have to work more. When you are an IT tech on a fixed salary, the less you have to work the better.
 
The computer is aimed at professionals that need the processing power for their job. For them it is not overpriced. You should just get a personal consumer aimed Mac mini and be done with it.
It's also aimed at people that can afford it
 
It's great that you work in a field that doesn't need maximum horsepower or major graphics abilities.

I'm happy for you.

But your complete ignorance of the fact that fields like mine even exist if a bit perplexing. I know you don't do much video compositing in your line of work but it's not at all like video editing. The workload increases exponentially as you start to dig yourself deeper into a project. A laptop's video card is just not up to the job.

Yep. I think on buying a Mac Pro for my scientific work (I'm a MSc candidate, but I have a regular job and the MSc stuff is mostly a hobby). On the other hand, I can't stay everyday at home or at the laboratory, and remote access it not an option because of bandwidth problems on brazilian internet infrastructure.

So, a good compromise to me would be a high-end rMBP. Leaked benchmarks from the nMP point to a 100% performance over a rMBP with discrete graphics. Not a big performance bump in my opinion. Of course, a nMP has ECC memory which means more stability and reliability on results. The nMP is definitely a better option if you do most of your work on the same place or have a good bandwidth for doing remote access. But a rMBP is a decent machine if you have to do most of your work in transit.
 
i dont know what it is about modern respect for the individual or companies that my way or the highway is actually considered a choice. its the famous henry ford line magnified in contempt and arrogance

serious off topic question here have you ever once not agreed (or forced yourself to agree) with what apple does, says or releases?

Apple chose the my way or the high way route because the other way round, they were going bankrupt. Too many choices in their line up was a big problem. Steve came and axed everything. And they are going to continue that route for the foreseeable future.

I myself have disagreed with their choices many times, including the new Mac Pro. I don't like dual GPU's standard. If it was up to me, I'd remove one GPU and make the chassis even smaller and offer different types of GPU's, not just Fire Pro's.

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If you want a portable "desktop" that you can take on a plane, there is this nifty thing called a.... wait for it... wait for it... lap.... wait for it... top. Laptop.

I already have a laptop thank you. But if I'm moving for a month and need to use my actual computer in the place I go, I'll bring my Mac Pro with me.
 
If you want a portable "desktop" that you can take on a plane, there is this nifty thing called a.... wait for it... wait for it... lap.... wait for it... top. Laptop.

I don't know what kind of work you do, that you need to travel with your desktop on a plane, but where I work we have given all the news editors Retina Macbook Pro 15" with 16gb ram and 500 SSD. Our editors edit the news segments on the fly...

I was given a choice between a Windows PC and a Mac. I chose a macbook pro (same config as above) to do my work, which is application package deployment. I run a Windows 8.1 VM for all my windows imaging work and I run OS X for the rest of my work, and I have a really good performance building images.

Maybe you need to hire a consultant to recommend you better workflows my friend.
It's very common for a studio music engineer or recording artist to travel with a Mac pro
 
When my company switched from BlackBerry over to android they paid a whopping nine dollars per phone. Half of them were never activated because they bought more phones then employees. Do you have statistics for that?

Why would I need to? You have done nothing to even bother to attempt to support what you are saying, as off topic as you started in the first place.

However you only support my post in conjunction with Small White Car, who has kindly corrected my figures for Google. With those figure being activations and not sales. So by your own argument, there are potentially half the amount of Android phones purchased but unactivated. That puts the figures potentially at around 1.3 Billion activations. :rolleyes:

Those are not the same numbers.

Apple's numbers are device sales and the Android number is activations.

"Yes," you say, "but you have to sell a device before you can activate it!"

This is true, but as of right now we have zero way of knowing how many of those are things like Android smart phones and tablets and how many are things like web TV dongles and cheap tablets sold in China that are literally only used to play pirated movies and nothing else.

So the numbers do mean something, but we can't tell exactly what they're telling us. It depends on who you are, too. If you sell glass for device screens then you don't care what's happening to the phones after you sell your screen. But if you're Google or a developer you don't care about all of those devices that have no intention of using your services, viewing your ads, or buying your apps.

So what number should you care about? How many of those Android activations matter to us? Don't know. We can't tell.

I'm not claiming to have an answer, but my point is that no one else can have an answer either. Maybe Google can, but they're not saying because, of course, it looks better to just put the biggest number up there they can.

That's good for Google but we can't just accept that as being equal to Apple's sales numbers. It's not the same thing being compared.

Some fair and unfair points...

However, my post thread talked specifically about iOS and Android Devices. It does not matter if it is a cheap chinese tablet etc.

That is the point as to why the reality is, that Android will be more successful in it's numbers, exactly because of it's cheap and easy availability.

How many 5 years olds play angry birds and watch Kids TV on an iPad? Or how many are used as a wine menu in a restaurant? It does not matter.

Arguably, Google can only go by activations as it does not make all the devices that run Android. I am not saying I have all the answers either, however these figures cannot be ignored and contain some significant relevance.

Anyway according to osofast240sx, there is potentially another 450 million devices unactivated going by the statisic's of his or her's work place. ;)
 
Ugh, disappointing.

I hope the new Mac Pro flops for being a limited and completely disposable design that's way over priced.

I hope so too, but only if that means that Apple makes a new one that can actually be upgraded with video cards, 3.5" hard drives, etc.

But that wont happen, Apple is trying REAL hard to kill the Mac Pro line and sell disposable products right across the board... just look what they did to the iMac and MacBook Pro.

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Who said so? I want a portable desktop. I carried my Mac Pro too many times on an Airplane, it's a nightmare to pack that thing into a suitcase and hope that nothing gets damaged during the flight.

Desktops should be meant for portability. The only reason we don't have portable desktops is that we didn't have the tech to do it until now. Cube was a portable desktop with 0 expandability. It didn't work back then. But today external expansion does work.

LOL, you actually took a Mac Pro on flights?! My god... just get a decent laptop.. . All the MacBook Pros with a Sandybridge processor or better are more than capable.
 
I'm surprised. I had no idea anyone sought out Dell computers.

Dell has such low prices, I'm amazed at how $cheap they have their base notebooks these days. I guess that price point is huge for the general public. Although, PC's just don't last, in particular from a software standpoint(Windows)...that bloated OS.
 
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