Indeed, it's so strange, iMacs are so sort after, and yet most people buy PC's.Even PC's more expensive than iMacs.
How odd seeing as apparently they are so sort after.
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Indeed, it's so strange, iMacs are so sort after, and yet most people buy PC's.Even PC's more expensive than iMacs.
How odd seeing as apparently they are so sort after.
If I was planning to buy a Windows machine, I'd consider Dell. They still have a pretty good reputation and they are affordable.
This is the 10,000th time I've seen this complaint and I just don't get it. In my 10 years of using Macs professionally I have ALWAYS used external media at work and internal media at home.
At all of my jobs we've had shared, networked fiber servers so everyone can collaborate and access projects from everywhere. We always have a small boot drive and it's always mostly empty. You need the ability to take Macs in and out of service without disrupting the workflow. If you keep media internally you get fussed at the next time someone opens your project while your machine is off.
But at home, yeah, I keep all my family photos and iTunes movies on an internal drive.
I just don't know where this complaint comes from, that internal media is "pro." It's totally backwards from my experiences.
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It's interesting to read some of the posts with respect to the cost of the new Mac Pro @ $3000.
Pretty much every computer I've bought over the years has cost that much or more. The only exception being my 2010 Mac Mini.
A bto 386 generic from a local computer shop was $2500
Dell Inspiron Pentium II laptop for business was over $3000 (threw out a couple of years ago.
Dell Dimension 8200 Pentium 486 over $3000. (still in use by my brother today)
2005 PPC G5 - my first Mac - over $3000 (still working)
2006 - 15" MacBook Pro - over $3000. (finally crapped out just a few days ago)
2011 27" iMac - over $3000 (current main computer)
What I'm trying to say is I think you get what you pay for, usually.
Pretty much every computer I've bought over the years has cost that much or more. The only exception being my 2010 Mac Mini.
A bto 386 generic from a local computer shop was $2500
Dell Inspiron Pentium II laptop for business was over $3000 (threw out a couple of years ago.
Dell Dimension 8200 Pentium 486 over $3000. (still in use by my brother today)
2005 PPC G5 - my first Mac - over $3000 (still working)
2006 - 15" MacBook Pro - over $3000. (finally crapped out just a few days ago)
2011 27" iMac - over $3000 (current main computer)
What I'm trying to say is I think you get what you pay for, usually.
However, the main article and my main point was is in relation to Desktop unit sales / purchase intension.
In any case, it is undeniable that worldwide, android devices out number iOS in sales.
So many Apple haters, i got to ask why do you even use an mac forum
I wonder that myself.
Based on what's known about the components, what should the correct price be?
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So many Apple haters, i got to ask why do you even use an mac forum
It helps them cope with the terrible emptiness of their sad, pathetic lives.
Their only satisfaction in life is the floccinaucinihilipilification of products that others really like.
But can you prove it?? You mean to tell me at all the people with all these android devices just don't use the Internet. I don't I don't buy that do you?
You are talking about Mac Pro, so you are not talking about consumers at all.
And guess what, customers have a choice. Apple is not a monopoly.
And guess what, the Mac Pro is absolutely capable. 12 cores. _Massive_, and I mean absolutely massive GPU power, which is much more important for pros nowadays than more cores (if you have tasks where 12 CPU cores are not enough, you'd probably want to use the GPUs for that). Six times thunderbolt so you can add massive amounts of external storage at basically unlimited speed (fast enough for SSD RAID).
You need to remember that you buy a Mac Pro if a quad core MacMini, or four quad core MacMinis on top of each other, are not enough. And when that isn't enough, whatever space for storage that is inside the current MacPro isn't enough either.
It is amazing. It is easy to see most of these people arguing against the new Mac Pro have never set-up workstations for professional video editing.
They know nothing at all about actual professional/enterprise storage. They seem to not know that real capture and conversion devices have always been external devices and anything aimed at the post production market over the past few years has a thunderbolt port.
I think the value proposition is really tipping in favor of the Mac now that the operating system and principal software package is free. Coupled with the ease of use and reliability it's clearly the best deal around.
I went Mac in 2009 and haven't regretted it for a second. This year I bought two MacBook Pros for my two oldest grandsons even though they were more expensive than Windows alternatives. Most recent one just arrived yesterday! Got it from B&H Photo Video about which I can't say enough good things. Great outfit to do business with.
Now I can't wait for my new Mac Pro, which is my Christmas present to myself and my business. I am one of those that view external storage as a big plus rather than a negative. I'm hoping for a big 4K display from Apple to go with it sometime soon!
I went Mac in 2009 and haven't regretted it for a second. This year I bought two MacBook Pros for my two oldest grandsons even though they were more expensive than Windows alternatives. Most recent one just arrived yesterday! Got it from B&H Photo Video about which I can't say enough good things. Great outfit to do business with.
Now I can't wait for my new Mac Pro, which is my Christmas present to myself and my business. I am one of those that view external storage as a big plus rather than a negative. I'm hoping for a big 4K display from Apple to go with it sometime soon!
Why would you want to take Mac Pro on a plane? Desktops aren't meant for portability, they are meant to used at a single place. You'll be better off with a Macbook Pro if you want portability.
Regardless, this is no excuse for a desktop computer to make it hard if not possible at all to upgrade CPU/GPU (and maybe storage). 256GB storage for a pro machine, really?! And I don't understand the point of keeping everything external, it creates so much clutter.
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If you like the idea of a non-upgradable pro machine (relative to the outgoing model) and trashcan design with clutter, this Mac Pro will certainly appeal to you.
Can't innovate anymore, my ass
Another pointless posting of that Crappy Photo... so I thought I'd break it down....
used to buy dell back when I needed processing power at the very best price. I always bought only the tower and spec'd out as needed.
Desktop 3ghz single core beast... underpowered.
Last time round i bought a laptop and it was a dell, the only reason. Apple didn't have a quad core cpu out. quad core beast but slightly underpowered/mech drive
Now a dual core cpu in the 13 inch pro, dual core, ssd, plenty powerful and faster than my dreams,
Desktops are more now a work choice for the user. If you like to work at a desk and not on the move or the lap.
There is no real reason to pick any but a mobile device these days as very few people are going to benefit from guys like dell.
The one thing they always did at dell, was give you the right spec but issues with battery life, drivers, display quality. etc.
All current dell models are actually more expensive when you spec them out to apple levels. for the high end product you are mad to want any make now.
Desktop 3ghz single core beast... underpowered.
Last time round i bought a laptop and it was a dell, the only reason. Apple didn't have a quad core cpu out. quad core beast but slightly underpowered/mech drive
Now a dual core cpu in the 13 inch pro, dual core, ssd, plenty powerful and faster than my dreams,
Desktops are more now a work choice for the user. If you like to work at a desk and not on the move or the lap.
There is no real reason to pick any but a mobile device these days as very few people are going to benefit from guys like dell.
The one thing they always did at dell, was give you the right spec but issues with battery life, drivers, display quality. etc.
All current dell models are actually more expensive when you spec them out to apple levels. for the high end product you are mad to want any make now.
Sure, but next time you want to respond to one of mine posts please read my entire post, not just the first sentence. Had you done so this time you would have learned that I didn't diss Dell, but said all Win boxes are commodities & consumers buy what is most affordable or has the features they need.
You responded only to repeat what I already wrote.
Apple makes desktops? Certainly not consumer grade ones, the iMac is a laptop on a stick and the Mac Pro is for pros and priced accordingly.
That always was the problem for the non-Apple PC industry: There is no difference between manufacturers that is visible to the end user, except specs (which are _hard_ to understand, especially with Intel processors now it's total madness and I myself wouldn't be able to say whether one Intel processor is better than some AMD processor), looks, and price. If I see two computers that look identical to me (even if one may be considerably better quality, but I can't see it), what do I buy? The one that is cheaper. So what does the manufacturer with better quality do? Reduce quality so they can sell cheaper. There's no advantage for the manufacturer in building quality.
It's not being a commodity that is the problem, it's that the buyer can't compare value in a meaningful way. Sausages are a commodity, but I can buy them, decide which ones taste better, and stick with them. You sell more sausages if you make a quality product, even though they are a commodity. And that's not true for PCs. You make less profit by making a quality product but you don't get more sales. The only one escaping that trap is Apple, by making a product that is different enough.
The new Pro makes one thing really clear. There are a lot of people out there that do not understand the target market for the Mac Pro. It hasn't changed, Apple's redesign just focused more on how the machine is actually used.
No one in the actual pro market uses internal storage. No one wants to use proprietary PCI interfaces to connect to external capture devices (And no, no one in the pro market wants an internal capture device).
I guess the old Mac Pro made a nice high end hacker desktop (in the more traditional sense of the word), but that was never the target market.
So many Apple haters, i got to ask why do you even use an mac forum
cos nobody ever goes to the Dell forums
The Mac Mini is a desktop computer.
The iMac is a desktop computer - despite what you say, I don't put it on the floor, I don't put it on my lap, I don't hold it at its "stick", I put it on a desk. So it's a desktop computer.
And you can turn any MacBook into a desktop computer. Would be a shame with a Retina MBP, but close the lid, attach a keyboard and monitor, and you have a desktop computer. My current desktop computer at home is a 2006 white MacBook Pro with a broken graphics card.
(Actually, MBPs with broken screens but otherwise working sell quite well on eBay exactly for that reason).are you seriously making a fuzz about whether the word consumer defines all those that buy mac pros? that list consists of business, freelancers and rich tweeters and everything in between.
i dont know what it is about modern respect for the individual or companies that my way or the highway is actually considered a choice. its the famous henry ford line magnified in contempt and arrogance
serious off topic question here have you ever once not agreed (or forced yourself to agree) with what apple does, says or releases?
Wow. All the hate and ignorance.
I have a 2011 MBA that I paid $1800 for (top of the line at the time). It's the fastest and best running computer I've ever owned, including the Dells, Compaqs and HPs that I've had and used in the past. I have a TB Ethernet adapter that I have used about three times. I run virtual Windows 7 machines on it via WiFi that run better on the MBA than they do on the Dell Latitude from which they were cloned.
If you really understood VM you would know that graphics are as important as CPU, and there is plenty of CPU available on the MP.
All computer manufacturers make compromises. Dell, HP, Lenovo compromise quality for price. And what you end up with is essentially a KIA for a computer. And that, my friend is why people buy Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc.: Because the masses will always choose pure price over quality of experience, since they are too stupid to think about the value of their time and aggravation.
Two sample cases of why buying Apple is a value proposition:
My GF's iPhone 4S was acting wonky on her WiFi network. After doing some basic troubleshooting I determined that it had a problem with it's WiFi radio. She lives in a town where the nearest Apple store is an hour away. So, in order to save time we went to the Verizon store. They, after acting clueless for about 5-10 minutes finally accepted my diagnosis and said they'd replace the phone. But the kicker was that she would have to wait several days for VZ to send out a replacement. So I made the drive to the Apple store. The tech at the Genius bar spent literally 1 minute running a diagnostic on the phone, which returned the error on the wifi card. He had the phone replaced within 5 minutes, and we were on our way home with a new, working phone. Think about if her phone had been a Samsung, or other Android device. She would have been stuck waiting for the indeterminate amount of time for Verizon to send out a replacement, assuming we didn't have to spend days fighting with Samsung, Motorola, LG, HTC or whomever trying to figure out if the issue was with the hardware, or some conflict between some proprietary skin over one of the various flavors of Android OS.
Case two:
A couple of months ago my 2011 27" iMac was slow to wake up. Contacted Apple and spent 15 minutes on the phone with a tech (who incidentally spoke the same language as me, and didn't sound like she was reading from a checklist script). She determined that it was a either a bad logic board or a bad hard drive, and dispatched a tech out to replace it the next day. He replaced the MoBo, and the computer was still acting up, so he ordered a new HDD, and came back the next day to replace it. Incidentally, while he was working on the machine he said that
he didn't like the way that the LCD looked, and said he was going to replace it, also. So, with one 15 minute call to Apple I got a new logic board, (including processor) hard drive and 27" LCD on my nearly three year old iMac, and it runs like new. Contrast that with the months I spent trying to troubleshoot a simple graphics card issue on my friend's Dell Optiplex with 3 year Gold tech support, because the Dell tech in India wouldn't just send out a $30 graphics card after I clearly demonstrated that my pre-call troubleshooting had proven the problem was their hardware. But his script didn't allow him to skip the BS, so he made me try different "solutions" over several weeks and phone calls before they would send out the card. My friend eventually gave up and just switched to the analog port on her graphics card, thus spending the next two years using half the machine she paid for.
If you don't understand the value you receive from Apple, that's your problem. But people who are tired of hassles and headaches from Windows machines sold at low margins, and the corresponding crappy experience that accompanies them are fed up, and thus would prefer to have Apple.
Not everyone is a tech geek. I have technical chops (I've worked in IT for over twenty years) and can build my own computer. In fact I have built dozens of computers over the years. But I don't need to spend my time dealing with BS to save a couple of bucks at the point of sale.
I am not saying anything of the sort.
However, web usage is not the matter at hand, [hard] sales are and there are plenty of statistics laying around to support those realities. Similar to the PC market share, growth and shipment statistic's I posted earlier.
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To answer your "But can you prove it??" question.
See images below, which represent the figures revealed from Apple and Google respectively earlier this year themselves. So like I said, it is undeniable.
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