Apple Tops Microsoft in Third Quarter Revenue

[Mochi Hana]

Equal? Have you tried using Pages for anything other then home work and the "family newsletters" Apple is trying to convince us people are sending?

Sorry but for any serious scientific work Pages just doesn't cut it, it's a toy.

For me, Pages works well as a note taking tool and other school stuff. It might not cut it for business people but for normal home users and students it's a great program.

 

[Avalontor]

Ok, but then pages is much better for the simpler work. For instance it doesn't take as long to be ready and use up as many resources.

Keynote is far superior to Powerpoint.

in your opinion

 

[chugg]

So that makes Apple's revenue per employee around 1.5m compared to MSFT's 700,000.

Why is this metric even being used? Microsoft is in FAR more sectors than Apple. Obviously they have more employees. If they shut down every non-profitable/stagnant division and kept just Windows and Office, I bet they'd have a FAR higher revenue/employee number than Apple (not that this number even means anything).

 

[zacman]

LOL. People comparing company revenues haven't learned anything from the dot com crisis in 2000.

 

[apple1990]

in your opinion

of course. I believe it is because it is much more lightweight, more intuitive, has better transitions, produces better presentations. Doesn't really crash at all.

In my opinion powerpoint is the worst office program (haven't used outlook!) and keynote is the best iWork program.

I'll take you're counter debate now.

 

[John Dillinger]

Keynote is much, much better than powerpoint fact

Word and Pages are equal

Excel is much, much better than excel. I got office for 47 quid and have iWork so best of both worlds.

Apple doesn't need to be in direct competition with Microsoft but they are still competitors as long as Apple are making Macs and Microsoft are making a consumer OS.

Word and Pages are equal? Lol maybe the mac version of word-- are you kidding me

Numbers v Excel is a pisstake comparison.

P.s. when people speak of MS Enterprise software they are not only speaking Office or Windows ffs.

For example, have you ever heard of this massively uptaking platform called SharePoint for instance??? May want to check. if youre company is not on it and of a decent size, they probably have plans to migrate in the very near future. How about SQL Server, Visual Studio, Dynamics? I suppose theres some iVersions of all these just waiting to be deployed

 

[apple1990]

Why is this metric even being used? Microsoft is in FAR more sectors than Apple. Obviously they have more employees. If they shut down every non-profitable/stagnant division and kept just Windows and Office, I bet they'd have a FAR higher revenue/employee number than Apple (not that this number even means anything).

Keynote is a far superior presentation app to powerpoint. Whats your case for powerpoint?

 

[John Dillinger]

of course. I believe it is because it is much more lightweight, more intuitive, has better transitions, produces better presentations. Doesn't really crash at all.

In my opinion powerpoint is the worst office program (haven't used outlook!) and keynote is the best iWork program.

I'll take you're counter debate now.

Havent used outlook... what does your company use then? Is it all macs?

 

[Daphtdazz]

Equal? Have you tried using Pages for anything other then home work and the "family newsletters" Apple is trying to convince us people are sending?

Sorry but for any serious scientific work Pages just doesn't cut it, it's a toy.

You use Word for Serious Scientific Work?

\LaTeX, of course...

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

Havent used outlook... what does your company use then? Is it all macs?

He probably isn't in the real working world yet.

 

[apple1990]

Word and Pages are equal? Lol maybe the mac version of word-- are you kidding me

Numbers v Excel is a pisstake comparison.

P.s. when people speak of MS Enterprise software they are not only speaking Office or Windows ffs.

For example, have you ever heard of this massively uptaking platform called SharePoint for instance??? May want to check. if youre company is not on it and of a decent size, they probably have plans to migrate in the very near future. How about SQL Server, Visual Studio, Dynamics? I suppose theres some iVersions of all these just waiting to be deployed

Im not sure what this last bit is all about? I was just replying to someone who said that people who use iWork would be laughed at by real businessmen

Word on Windows is good and I'm sure can do a lot more than Pages but Pages is better at what the majority of people use word processors for. For a start you're ready to work on a document in less than 10 seconds whereas Word takes a good while and you really notice its running. Pages is also much simpler and more intuitive

 

[chugg]

Word and Pages are equal? Lol maybe the mac version of word-- are you kidding me

Numbers v Excel is a pisstake comparison.

P.s. when people speak of MS Enterprise software they are not only speaking Office or Windows ffs.

For example, have you ever heard of this massively uptaking platform called SharePoint for instance??? May want to check. if youre company is not on it and of a decent size, they probably have plans to migrate in the very near future. How about SQL Server, Visual Studio, Dynamics? I suppose theres some iVersions of all these just waiting to be deployed

No kidding. Seems like no one knows anything about the corporate effects of losing MS. Apple is a GREAT consumer product (and I use it for my own personal use). But for real work, I'm an MS guy and pray that MS never goes down (for now).

Keynote is a far superior presentation app to powerpoint. Whats your case for powerpoint?

Considering I am a business user and have NEVER used Powerpoint for personal purposes (not sure anyone does...), I have no use for transitions and/or fancy templates. This merely reinforces the fact that MS Office is for people who have real work to do and iWork is for people who print out PTA newsletters and bake sales analysis. I suppose MS could "prettify" it but why? I guarantee you few people even use crap like glowing text and spiral transitions in their presentations unless they're still in school.

*note I am talking aside from performance issues and the majority of my Office use is in Windows*

 

[apple1990]

Havent used outlook... what does your company use then? Is it all macs?

yes, nearly

 

[hacurio1]

Equal? Have you tried using Pages for anything other then home work and the "family newsletters" Apple is trying to convince us people are sending?

Sorry but for any serious scientific work Pages just doesn't cut it, it's a toy.

Why would you use Word for Scientific Work? What phase of "scientific work" are you referring to? If you are writing a study and you are ready top publish it, the scientific work is most likely finished (through specialized statistical programs) and all you need to do is publish your results and findings. If a study is big enough, most likely a different program will be used to lay it out and publish it. Most of the time, different contributors will use Word for simple word processing to send their material to be published. You will never distribute a study in Word (At least I have not seen that from the medical community). Abstracts and Studies these days are dist in PDF and other forms so you can protect your content.

 

[apple1990]

No kidding. Seems like no one knows anything about the corporate effects of losing MS. Apple is a GREAT consumer product (and I use it for my own personal use). But for real work, I'm an MS guy and pray that MS never goes down (for now).



Considering I am a business user and have NEVER used Powerpoint for personal purposes (not sure anyone does...), I have no use for transitions and/or fancy templates. This merely reinforces the fact that MS Office is for people who have real work to do and iWork is for people who print out PTA newsletters and bake sales analysis. I suppose MS could "prettify" it but why? I guarantee you few people even use crap like glowing text and spiral transitions in their presentations unless they're still in school.

Real work?

Keynote can really improve your presentations, if you use it properly. Transitions can look gimmicky but also if you use the right ones then they can improve the presentation.

Show someone a presentation made in keynote and one made in powerpoint and I'm sure most people would prefer the keynote. It looks a lot more professional.

Give me the reasons why real business people can't use Pages over Word?

I'm not holding my breath for a reply

 

[apple1990]

He probably isn't in the real working world yet.

I'm in company that mainly uses macs. I suppose its not a real business then

Better tell that to the shareholders

 

[kernkraft]

I'm in company that mainly uses macs. I suppose its not a real business then

Better tell that to the shareholders

Oh God, I just realised that there is that guy whose every second comment is about how something is good for him AS AN APPLE SHAREHOLDER.


3... 2... 1...

 

[Atheistpaladin]

What is this real scientific work you guys are talking about??? Excel slows down to a halt if you try to plot a graph with more than a few thousand data points, freezes your computer way before 100000 rows of data and has nonexistent statistical capabilities. Word and Powerpoint never export any equations for printing correctly and compress all figures to < 300 dpi. Something is really wrong with your lab if you are trying to analyze your data or prepare a manuscript with Office. Office is for high school and secretarial work at best, both of which iWork is more than capable of.

 

[Dr McKay]

Seriously I laughed at the comments that Microsoft is dead.

"Microsoft announced today that their revenue for this quarter has broken records and beaten analyst predictions, coming in at a smooth $16.2 billion. $5.41 billion of that was profit. The great financial news, according to Microsoft, is a consequence of the successful retail run of Office 2010, increased PC sales, and 38% growth in the Xbox department.

Microsoft seems to be on quite the roll lately. With Windows 7 becoming the most sold operating system in computing history, and Office 2010 sales increasing the already impressive presence of the Office productivity ecosystem in the consumer and enterprise worlds, it’s no wonder that the company is doing so well right now. Add to that the upcoming US launch of Windows Phone 7, already critically acclaimed and lauded by reviewers, and the inevitable holiday sales rush of the Xbox 360 Kinect, and you’ve got optimistic analysts across the board.

Microsoft will host an earnings call later this evening (5:30 PM EDT) to formally announce and discuss the numbers, and I’m sure the call will be generally jovial and full of stockholders’ smiles"*

 

[robanga]

Software is higher profit that is a fundamental. Both MS and Apple are software companies, they are also service companies, advertising companies etc However, MS generates a higher percentage of its revenues from software.

Still, the net profit of Apple is impressive regardless of the product mix. Any company would be envious.

MS is largely milking a 1990s business model while trying to reinvent themselves in other areas (Cloud computing, consumer phones and electronics, services, advertising)

These efforts better pay off sooner or later in order for MS to generate the returns the investors want. Eventually Apple will generate more profit because the overall revenue growth will be higher. The graph lines on profit will cross but it will take a while, and that assumes Apple itself does not stumble along the way.

$16B in revenue to generate $5.4 billion in profit, vs $20B in revenue to generate $4.3B in profit. The gap is closing.

 

[apple1990]

Where have the office fanboys gone?

 

[apple1990]

Seriously I laughed at the comments that Microsoft is dead.

"Microsoft announced today that their revenue for this quarter has broken records and beaten analyst predictions, coming in at a smooth $16.2 billion. $5.41 billion of that was profit. The great financial news, according to Microsoft, is a consequence of the successful retail run of Office 2010, increased PC sales, and 38% growth in the Xbox department.

Microsoft seems to be on quite the roll lately. With Windows 7 becoming the most sold operating system in computing history, and Office 2010 sales increasing the already impressive presence of the Office productivity ecosystem in the consumer and enterprise worlds, it’s no wonder that the company is doing so well right now. Add to that the upcoming US launch of Windows Phone 7, already critically acclaimed and lauded by reviewers, and the inevitable holiday sales rush of the Xbox 360 Kinect, and you’ve got optimistic analysts across the board.

Microsoft will host an earnings call later this evening (5:30 PM EDT) to formally announce and discuss the numbers, and I’m sure the call will be generally jovial and full of stockholders’ smiles"*

Exactly, MSFT aren't dead far, far from it! The fact that Microsoft have grown hugely y/y its makes it even more impressive that Apple have overtaken them before their biggest quarter!

 

[Dooger]

The only people still spewing this non-sense about a MS vs. Apple war are clueless fanboys like LTD and BRLawyer. Good thing the rest of us know better. Even Steve himself said that Apple doesn't want to beat MS. Apple CAN'T beat MS. And it doesn't need to to be sucessful.

This. I've said it before and i'll say it again; everytime those two fanboys get near a keyboard I feel ashamed of owning mac hardware. Why oh why does everything have to boil down to beating microsoft and insulting its CEO? Why do they have to take it so personally? It's just pathetic.

Equal? Have you tried using Pages for anything other then home work and the "family newsletters" Apple is trying to convince us people are sending?

Sorry but for any serious scientific work Pages just doesn't cut it, it's a toy.

Yeah those family newsletters are pure unadulterated cheese. I tried Pages myself when I started my thesis but I went back to Word after a fortnight. It just works better.

 

[apple1990]

This. I've said it before and i'll say it again; everytime those two fanboys get near a keyboard I feel ashamed of owning mac hardware. Why oh why does everything have to boil down to beating microsoft and insulting its CEO? Why do they have to take it so personally? It's just pathetic.



Yeah those family newsletters are pure unadulterated cheese. I tried Pages myself when I started my thesis but I went back to Word after a fortnight. It just works better.

What does it do better than pages? I have office and iWork but I'm just wondering how its better in your opinion

 

[chugg]

Real work?

Keynote can really improve your presentations, if you use it properly. Transitions can look gimmicky but also if you use the right ones then they can improve the presentation.

Show someone a presentation made in keynote and one made in powerpoint and I'm sure most people would prefer the keynote. It looks a lot more professional.

Give me the reasons why real business people can't use Pages over Word?

I'm not holding my breath for a reply

Can iWork even do web queries? simple things like mail merges from outlook, date pickers or drop down lists inside of documents? Even formatting gets screwed up when converting document formats. From what I've seen of Pages, it resembles Publisher more than it does Word.