Excel, on the other hand, is notorious for modifying data that you enter, trying to be "helpful" and failing miserably. How can you trust any scientific paper if the tools that are used change data behind their users' back?
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Excel, on the other hand, is notorious for modifying data that you enter, trying to be "helpful" and failing miserably. How can you trust any scientific paper if the tools that are used change data behind their users' back?
I was too busy responding to the first part, I missed the second part. Complete rubbish!
Market cap means very little. While individual share holder can sell his shares for market price, nobody is going to buy Apple for $250B (or whatever it is today). Revenue is even less meaningful for comparison of two companies operating on two different markets. Re-sale generates revenue. Innovation generates profits.
I wonder why is it that every time I see these two guys post I start to yawn?
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I think you should have a read of this http://www.businessinsider.com/15-a...10#they-arent-kidding-about-insanely-great-22
What do you mean by intuitive, I see that word thrown around all the time here and I'm starting to wonder if anyone knows what it really means, because in my opinion it's not very intuitive, it's slower than powerpoint, and though it's never crashed on me PowerPoint hasn't either.
oh and edit: I'm obsessed with editing my posts.
I mean things react how you expect them to react, you don't need a course on how to use, you can pick it up very quickly because when you want to do something usually the way you try works.
Also I'm not sure what you've done to keynote to make it slower than keynote.
Keynote may not be the most intuitive thing out there (thats the iPad) I think it's a lot more intuitive than PowerPoint.
Interestingly it was Microsoft that held a mock funeral for iPhone and Blackberry back in September.
http://dvice.com/archives/2010/09/microsoft-throw.php
They should have been having the mock funeral for themselves because "Microsoft is a Dying Consumer Brand"
http://voices.allthingsd.com/20101028/microsoft-is-a-dying-consumer-brand/?mod=ATD_rss
http://dvice.com/archives/2010/09/microsoft-throw.php
They should have been having the mock funeral for themselves because "Microsoft is a Dying Consumer Brand"
http://voices.allthingsd.com/20101028/microsoft-is-a-dying-consumer-brand/?mod=ATD_rss
Exactly. Word does the same thing to me with formatting. A major advantage that I see with these 2 programs is when it is necessary to share an editable document with a non-Mac user. But the actual functionality seems like a wrestling match with a hairless cat covered in olive oil to me.
Great. So when Apple passes MS in profit in the next few quarters, we won't see any debate from you regarding who is bigger then.
I agree. I am not an Apple hater or lover...nor for MS. But it's nice that Apple (hitting above 10% marketshare in personal computer ownership for the first time in about 20 years) is growing...which fuels competition. But Apple still fails miserably to play in the business world.
On the other hand, I have noticed for years that MS really only makes 2 good and well-adopted consumer software titles: Windows and Office. Everything else (except maybe Xbox) over the past few decades has been peanuts for MS in the consumer space. However, MS still dominates the business market for OS and business applications (SQL Server, Office, etc).
What most people (especially on this forum) fail to understand is that Microsoft does not make or sell computers. MS simply makes the OS and some of the applications. The PC ecosystem is entirely open and any vendor can write software and/or make hardware that supports Windows. Apple, on the other hand, controls 100% of the computing experience...the hardware, the OS, many of the core software apps on the Mac (if MS controlled this much they would be sued...oh wait...they were sued...and LOST). Apple also owns 100% of the support (unless you really really want to call some 3rd party bozo). Remember, Apple sells to consumers.
Over the next few years we'll see what happens with Apple and MS (and it's really not about Apple vs. MS...it's Apple vs. the entire PC industry...1 company vs. hundreds)...especially since Apple is no longer a computer company and really concentrates on consumer electronics. I believe Apple is currently is having an identity crisis right now as their Mac line is clearly selling and very likely to their surprise (afterall, Apple changed it's name a few years ago to clearly dictate computers was not a concentration of theirs anymore), but from the looks of things, most technical folks feel the Macs are overpriced for the guts. Pretty, but overpriced. And if we don't care about prettyness or style (I don't), we ain't paying 2-3 the price to surf the web, read email, open a PDF, do some printing, or offload some pix from my camera). Many consumers (including me) find the Apple hardware very sexy and stylish...but at 2-3 times the price of a PC. The iPod line has pretty much ran its course and dominated the industry so how Apple certainly cannot keep counting on mom and dad to buy a new iPod every year. The iPhone line (I have the 3GS) has been doing very very well...but Android is supposedly killer and the Blackberry dominates the business environment...and Apple has been locked into the much hated ATT for a long time. Folks will certainly chime in here that their company approves of iPhones, but that's an extremely small percentage and more importantly, what iPhone limitations have been placed and what truly business functionality does the iPhone offer besides email integration and offering VPN support? AppleTV may or may not be the next iPod/iTunes. It's a concept that numerous vendors are selling so Apple will have a lot of competition (hence my guess why Apple is selling it at such an extremely low (low for Apple) price...heck, Apple's wireless mouse and keyboard EACH sell for $69...are you kidding me?!)...not to mention the overall quality/price of AppleTV for the average Joe who watches tv a lot (or even a little) where you have to fork out a few bucks for each and every tv episode you watch. Lastly, the iPad is on 1.0...to me (and a lot of others), it's simply an iPhone or Touch with a few extra features (and I stress few) with a lot of missing features (print, native USB port, no ability to attach more storage, true HD support as they claim it's such a wonderful movie device, lack of large internal storage for people to store numerous movies and/or music, docs, pix, application data, etc). It's 1.0. I understand that and it's to be expected (just like the iPod 1.0). I think eventually the iPad will prosper but I cannot fathom that it will dominate the "tablet" industry...all the other PC vendors (note I did not say Microsoft) players out there are not going to allow Apple (especially after Apple's success with iPod and iTunes and iPhone and recently with their Macs) to dominate a core computer technology/market segment that would sell literally billions of devices a year worldwide which would ultimately open up the door for more Mac consumer and business sales. Apple is up for a huge fight on the tablet industry and we all win. I don't hate the iPad but Apple is going to have to really stay 1-2 steps ahead of the market to dominate it. Like the iPod, I (and many others) will not be an early adopter...I will wait for the price to drop, the features to increase, and the storage to increase.
Many are predicting that if MS doesn't completely make drastic and innovative changes, MS will lose/leave the consumer market altogether (notice I did not say PC vendors/PC computers) and just be a business-minded software house. Some even state that MS doesn't even care if that happens because MS would still make trillions of dollars selling software to businesses. Again, Apple, in it's entire history, has never played well with the business sector.
Personally I think MS should give up on the consumer electronic stuff (mp3 players, phones) and concentrate on some new and exciting consumer SOFTWARE applications. Office is simply a necessary evil...come on, it's on it's 15th version (literally)...why does a spreadsheet or word processor or slideshow app need 15 versions?
Lastly, I do ponder this: How will Apple change when Jobs finally leaves and has 0 influence on Apple? My gut is the first 1-5 years will be just like the Jobs-run Apple. Afterward, it will become like 99.9999% of other publicly traded American companies and simply worry about the stock price rather than concentrate on why they are in business to begin with. I compare Apple to Bose...Bose makes some wonderful and extremely stylish products...but at a very expensive price.
Long post and I had no idea it would go this long.
I'd love to see Ballmer's reaction at each of these Apple milestones.
yeah me too. you know he's not happy about this at all! he's probably throwing a fit about it now.
next for apple is to have a higher net profit
I agree. I am not an Apple hater or lover...nor for MS. But it's nice that Apple (hitting above 10% marketshare in personal computer ownership for the first time in about 20 years) is growing...which fuels competition. But Apple still fails miserably to play in the business world.
On the other hand, I have noticed for years that MS really only makes 2 good and well-adopted consumer software titles: Windows and Office. Everything else (except maybe Xbox) over the past few decades has been peanuts for MS in the consumer space. However, MS still dominates the business market for OS and business applications (SQL Server, Office, etc).
What most people (especially on this forum) fail to understand is that Microsoft does not make or sell computers. MS simply makes the OS and some of the applications. The PC ecosystem is entirely open and any vendor can write software and/or make hardware that supports Windows. Apple, on the other hand, controls 100% of the computing experience...the hardware, the OS, many of the core software apps on the Mac (if MS controlled this much they would be sued...oh wait...they were sued...and LOST). Apple also owns 100% of the support (unless you really really want to call some 3rd party bozo). Remember, Apple sells to consumers.
Over the next few years we'll see what happens with Apple and MS (and it's really not about Apple vs. MS...it's Apple vs. the entire PC industry...1 company vs. hundreds)...especially since Apple is no longer a computer company and really concentrates on consumer electronics. I believe Apple is currently is having an identity crisis right now as their Mac line is clearly selling and very likely to their surprise (afterall, Apple changed it's name a few years ago to clearly dictate computers was not a concentration of theirs anymore), but from the looks of things, most technical folks feel the Macs are overpriced for the guts. Pretty, but overpriced. And if we don't care about prettyness or style (I don't), we ain't paying 2-3 the price to surf the web, read email, open a PDF, do some printing, or offload some pix from my camera). Many consumers (including me) find the Apple hardware very sexy and stylish...but at 2-3 times the price of a PC. The iPod line has pretty much ran its course and dominated the industry so how Apple certainly cannot keep counting on mom and dad to buy a new iPod every year. The iPhone line (I have the 3GS) has been doing very very well...but Android is supposedly killer and the Blackberry dominates the business environment...and Apple has been locked into the much hated ATT for a long time. Folks will certainly chime in here that their company approves of iPhones, but that's an extremely small percentage and more importantly, what iPhone limitations have been placed and what truly business functionality does the iPhone offer besides email integration and offering VPN support? AppleTV may or may not be the next iPod/iTunes. It's a concept that numerous vendors are selling so Apple will have a lot of competition (hence my guess why Apple is selling it at such an extremely low (low for Apple) price...heck, Apple's wireless mouse and keyboard EACH sell for $69...are you kidding me?!)...not to mention the overall quality/price of AppleTV for the average Joe who watches tv a lot (or even a little) where you have to fork out a few bucks for each and every tv episode you watch. Lastly, the iPad is on 1.0...to me (and a lot of others), it's simply an iPhone or Touch with a few extra features (and I stress few) with a lot of missing features (print, native USB port, no ability to attach more storage, true HD support as they claim it's such a wonderful movie device, lack of large internal storage for people to store numerous movies and/or music, docs, pix, application data, etc). It's 1.0. I understand that and it's to be expected (just like the iPod 1.0). I think eventually the iPad will prosper but I cannot fathom that it will dominate the "tablet" industry...all the other PC vendors (note I did not say Microsoft) players out there are not going to allow Apple (especially after Apple's success with iPod and iTunes and iPhone and recently with their Macs) to dominate a core computer technology/market segment that would sell literally billions of devices a year worldwide which would ultimately open up the door for more Mac consumer and business sales. Apple is up for a huge fight on the tablet industry and we all win. I don't hate the iPad but Apple is going to have to really stay 1-2 steps ahead of the market to dominate it. Like the iPod, I (and many others) will not be an early adopter...I will wait for the price to drop, the features to increase, and the storage to increase.
Many are predicting that if MS doesn't completely make drastic and innovative changes, MS will lose/leave the consumer market altogether (notice I did not say PC vendors/PC computers) and just be a business-minded software house. Some even state that MS doesn't even care if that happens because MS would still make trillions of dollars selling software to businesses. Again, Apple, in it's entire history, has never played well with the business sector.
Personally I think MS should give up on the consumer electronic stuff (mp3 players, phones) and concentrate on some new and exciting consumer SOFTWARE applications. Office is simply a necessary evil...come on, it's on it's 15th version (literally)...why does a spreadsheet or word processor or slideshow app need 15 versions?
Lastly, I do ponder this: How will Apple change when Jobs finally leaves and has 0 influence on Apple? My gut is the first 1-5 years will be just like the Jobs-run Apple. Afterward, it will become like 99.9999% of other publicly traded American companies and simply worry about the stock price rather than concentrate on why they are in business to begin with. I compare Apple to Bose...Bose makes some wonderful and extremely stylish products...but at a very expensive price.
Long post and I had no idea it would go this long.
NO SIR! I REFUSE TO LET YOUR WALL O' TEXT WIN!
P.S. I had a nightmare once... All it was, was a wall of text... You scare me sir.
The war with Google us the same as was with MS 20 years ago. They start off all cozy. Google making apps for the iPhone. They're on the board. They're playing nice. All of a sudden google is making it's own os to run on other devices that compete with Apple's. Apple's system and OS is closed. Only Apple can make and sell their hardware and OS so other companies want to make phones and will use android. 20 years ago just replace phone with PC, Google with MS, and Android with Windows. Only difference this time is Apple got a bigger head start. But it won't last forever. Then what? Does Apple repeat history?
Yup, everything going as planned.
Alrighty... looks like it's down to Apple and Google. While Microsoft eats off XBox, grocery store and military apps Apple will be the majority and dominate the consumer market.
Soon as Apple goes into the Game console market Microsoft will be high corporate.
I like and use Google products. I think Apple needs to work together with them as both companies server a different purpose.
Alrighty... looks like it's down to Apple and Google. While Microsoft eats off XBox, grocery store and military apps Apple will be the majority and dominate the consumer market.
Soon as Apple goes into the Game console market Microsoft will be high corporate.
I like and use Google products. I think Apple needs to work together with them as both companies server a different purpose.
I am assuming you're being humorous. However, if I truly scare you, can you please elaborate? Is it because I'm one of the 4 people on this forum that can write a cohesive post longer than 2 sentences?
Apple must be be doing much better than most people would have expected. I wonder what is next!!
Microsofts record numbers sure mean they are out of the game and it's down to Apple and Google
If you haven't use Windows 7 yet, then please keep your mouth shut. Windows 7 is just awesome. Yea, Apple managed to selling more Macs, so does Microsoft. Microsoft managed to sell 240 millions copies of Windows 7. AND i have seen countless people buying a Apple computers and ended up using Windows 7 all the time. So do you really think Apple are that successful? One thing can certain true is that Apple is a good hardware company. If their Mac OS X is just so superior than Windows, then how come Microsoft managed keep Windows market share over 90% over past few years? And why Mac OS X's market share haven't increased dramatically? If Windows and Microsoft's product are so bad, so that people don't even want touch it, then why Microsoft still sells more Windows 7 than Mac OS X? If Windows is so bad, then why would Steven Jobs even allow this piece of **** install on the "beautiful, shiny" mac? Good for Apple have so many people blindly follow Apple and keeping buying their overpriced product over and over again. I have seen countless idiotic Apple fanboys, i just couldn't say anything at all. They have absolutely no idea about technology and they just believe "Mac Is BETTER" like a blindly religious people. Sigh... I always feel bad about those people. BY the way, Apple sales team did good job on fooling people.
I'd love to see Ballmer's reaction at each of these Apple milestones.
This is what happens when you don't outsource!
Steve Jobs has the last laugh and Bill owes him that beer from that bet in 1984.