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Also high price products like Apple tend to be forgiven more often for the faults and on top of that the higher end lines of all the major players tend to just well work better no matter who makes them.

If you pull out the low end lines from dell (less than 900) I am willing to bet the happyness level would go up. The computer would not be bog down by not having the power to do what is demanded of it.

It plays into it. Apple has both the fanboy factor and the lack of the low end factor both of which give it a boost in ratings.
Nah, then high-priced products from competitors would be quite popular as purchases from people in the know.

The fact of the matter is that this isn't the case. In the PC world, Apple commands something like 95% of the market above $1000. Apple has an inordinate command over this market. If Apple and Windows PC manufacturers made equally as good >$1000 computers, the breakdown should be relatively comparable as other price points.

With PMP devices, the comparison is even more ridiculous. Apple basically owns the media player market despite the fact that in many cases, Apple music players are literally four times pricier than the equivalent non-Apple competitor. That's right, you can buy a 4GB iRiver player for $25 whereas the 2GB iPod shuffle is $49.

Even comparable high-end notebook PCs like Dell's Adamo failed miserably. Built to compete against Apple's MacBook Air, it found no traction.

Remember that Apple's profit margins are far greater than their competitors. Why can't Acer build a PC and make the same margins as Apple? There is nothing really stopping them from doing so, unless the customers simply don't see any additional value in the Acer device. If you compare specs, the Macs don't usually come up on top. Perhaps there's something other than hardware specs that affects the ownership experience.

Note that much of Apple's recent marketshare increases comes from people moving from Windows to Macs. Something like half of the Macs sold in bricks-and-mortars Apple Retail Stores are to first-time Mac buyers.

If saving money by buying Windows PC is so great, why are those Windows PC owners happier?
 
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That would require him reading something other than looking at headlines for bashing.

*never mind*

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Speaking from personal experience, anApple will outlast and make things right compared to the competition. Still using a 2006 Intel iMac with no issues. 2008 MB Pro with AppleCare, tons of issues and four repairs resulted in a brand new 2011 MB Pro replacement. Apple takes care of its customers. I'll be a customer for life.
 
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MacinDoc said:
Also high price products like Apple tend to be forgiven more off for the faults
Source, please?

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If you pull out the low end lines from dell (less than 900) I am willing to bet the happyness level would go up.
Agreed. You get what you pay for.

His bottom.

It is an absurd conclusion for people to claim people who pay mire obviously expect less
 
Agreed. You get what you pay for.

People do not seem to understand that little fact. People buy the cheap sub 500 buck computer and expect it to do great things yet complain that its screen does not look as crisp. It is heavy, low resolution, slow, can not run the latest games ect.

If they would drop say $1000 and get a smaller laptop in size it would have a better screen and better specs. I know when I bought my last laptop for school I paid $1400 for it. A little extra battery life was not worth 600-700 bucks more for a 15 mac pro of specs that it has and I would still need to buy windows since I got it for school and I need windows for the major course work stuff because kind of hard to program in .net and C# on OSX.


That does not make sense. Part of customer satisifaction takes into account how much someone a person paid. With that, people who pay more for apple products have higher standards and expectations from their devices from the get go.

Source please?

I see more complains about the low end crap because it is exactly that low end crap. Higher end stuff gets less complains plain and simple.
 
Close Numbers

With all of these numbers so close in value & so far from 100% I get the impression that things could be a lot better for all of the companies, Apple included. With the way questions are asked in most areas anything below 90% is failing. Can you really brag if 1 in 4 customers are still not satisfied?
 
With all of these numbers so close in value & so far from 100% I get the impression that things could be a lot better for all of the companies, Apple included. With the way questions are asked in most areas anything below 90% is failing. Can you really brag if 1 in 4 customers are still not satisfied?

Apple has 87% "total satisfaction". Only 1/10 are not satisfied. Probably close-minded Windoze uzers who don't get the Mac.
 
LOL, complaining about pop-culture online spelling on the Internet?

What do you think this is? 1996?

Why don't you start complaining about the lack of journalistic integrity on this website, despite the fact that journalism died in the early Nineties?

Go ahead and take a swipe at someone based on their facts. Forget spelling though. At least here on the Internet.
 
Nice to see Apple continue to improve in satisfaction. Am a bit surprised the others aren't rated lower, especially HP and all of their issues lately. ;)
 
Things that makes Apple so success is their software (OSX and iOS) on every of their device. Sure their hardware design is superbly nice too, but it's the software that makes them so success.

It feels like custom-made OS brewed only for you, make you feel so special, and their service is unified too between hardware and OS.

You can't see it on any other computer manufacture. When something wrong with your PC or laptop, any other computer would blame Windows (Microsoft side) or the other way around with never-ending loop.

Granted, if every computer maker makes their own OS like Apple, we'll just getting more confused, but luckily though only Apple can do that on earth :p
 
I've never had to use Apple's customer support. There isn't a problem or a question I've ever had about one of my Macs that couldn't be solved either by a Google search or on MacRumors. :D
 
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Maybe Linux could save the PC manafacturers.

They can modify it how they wish, make it really sexy (Windows 8 is a bit too ugly), instead of putting a stripped down baby version, put a full desktop.

Then they could do their own updates, and since they have the source and know the OS, they can help the customer.

Plus the binaries would be compatible with other Linux computers.

Essentially this is similar to what Apple have done, they took something open source, added a spark and it helped them in the long run.
 
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Maybe Linux could save the PC manafacturers.

They can modify it how they wish, make it really sexy (Windows 8 is a bit too ugly), instead of putting a stripped down baby version, put a full desktop.

Then they could do their own updates, and since they have the source and know the OS, they can help the customer.

Plus the binaries would be compatible with other Linux computers.

Essentially this is similar to what Apple have done, they took something open source, added a spark and it helped them in the long run.

That sounds terrible.
 
You seriously need help understanding how the world of business works.
Selling off a division that is still making loads of cash is hardly "forced out of business".

It's just like when IBM got out of the PC business. They weren't force out. They changed business strategy and sold the division to Lenovo (I noticed they were not even included in the survey btw).

As for rock solid reliability and customer service, I'll take my ThinkPad over a Mac Book Pro any day.

The new think pads are very nice machines. Throw a docking stationn on them and you have a very portable, powerful machine that converts nicely to a full blown capable desktop when docked.
 
Can't compare though

If they sell 1000 units a year and 900 customers are satisfied that would make their approval rating higher than Apple that sell millions in a year

I have never heard of this company

If we cant compare that, nor can we really compare general pc-maker X with high-end segment producer Y. More money usually leads to better performance which usually leads to higher satisfaction.

In the end, you oft-times get what you pay for. Something which SHOULD reflect on customer satisfaction.

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Exactly.

I'm pretty sure a lot of people who took this survey rated down their PC manufacturer for software problems related to Windows, not the computer hardware itself.

I can't say it's completely unfair though, as nothing prevents them from doing like Apple and create their own OS, if they think Windows is not up to their standards and create customer dissatisfaction.

I remember HP announced they would make a special version of WebOS for computers when they announced the TouchPad. They scrapped WebOS altogether when they stopped making TouchPads though.

No, at least not officially.

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Like DUH! Mac owners are better than others. They're smart enough to know a superior product when they see it, and know it will be far less costly in the long run.

Like my mother-in-law. She's owned a PC for years and has never used it because it's just too dammed complicated to setup and use. She had to call support every time she wanted to do most anything, and finally gave up on it. How costly was that computer (anchor, dust collector,desk decoration)? She could have paid a months rent for what she paid for it, and it's totally worthless as far as she's concerned.

Wow. She must have some real problems getting around in life.

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So perhaps this is the consequence between what Horace Dediu calls the "integrated model" (Apple) and "componentized/fragmented model" (Android / PC)... with a fragmented model, you have an artificial ceiling on customer satisfaction... an integrated model doesn't automatically make you better but removes this ceiling.

http://www.asymco.com/2010/10/28/re...s-open-vs-closed-vs-integrated-vs-fragmented/

No idea who Dediu is, but not quite, as e.g. Dell can go beyond their own responsibilities (so to say) in their customer support (thus providing Windows support, for example). You do have a point though, as the non-integrated route leads to fragmentation of knowledge and decision-rights, effectively (in one sense) limiting the choices each individual actor perceives as feasible.

addendum: should also note that the integrated approach per se is no guarantee, as the organization could be internally fragmented, reproducing similar effects as outlined above.
 
Nah, then high-priced products from competitors would be quite popular as purchases from people in the know.

The fact of the matter is that this isn't the case. In the PC world, Apple commands something like 95% of the market above $1000. Apple has an inordinate command over this market. If Apple and Windows PC manufacturers made equally as good >$1000 computers, the breakdown should be relatively comparable as other price points.

With PMP devices, the comparison is even more ridiculous. Apple basically owns the media player market despite the fact that in many cases, Apple music players are literally four times pricier than the equivalent non-Apple competitor. That's right, you can buy a 4GB iRiver player for $25 whereas the 2GB iPod shuffle is $49.

Even comparable high-end notebook PCs like Dell's Adamo failed miserably. Built to compete against Apple's MacBook Air, it found no traction.

Remember that Apple's profit margins are far greater than their competitors. Why can't Acer build a PC and make the same margins as Apple? There is nothing really stopping them from doing so, unless the customers simply don't see any additional value in the Acer device. If you compare specs, the Macs don't usually come up on top. Perhaps there's something other than hardware specs that affects the ownership experience.

Note that much of Apple's recent marketshare increases comes from people moving from Windows to Macs. Something like half of the Macs sold in bricks-and-mortars Apple Retail Stores are to first-time Mac buyers.

If saving money by buying Windows PC is so great, why are those Windows PC owners happier?

There are quite a few "people in the know", though. And, i would assume that quite few of these build their own rigs :- )

Second, the bold-typed conclusion is dependent on the assumption that consumer goods are bought only based on their intrinsic good. We know this is not the case.

Third (second bold-type), competition is stopping them. Unlike Apple, companies e.g. Acer (while running Windows) competing on a shared platform have little chance to differentiate and thus experience margin-pressure in commoditized segments (i.e. most of the pc-market).

Fourth, where the **** else would they come from? :- )
With microsoft having +90% there is few other ways to grow in a sector that itself experiences very little growth (pc market is quite saturated).

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Speaking from personal experience, anApple will outlast and make things right compared to the competition. Still using a 2006 Intel iMac with no issues. 2008 MB Pro with AppleCare, tons of issues and four repairs resulted in a brand new 2011 MB Pro replacement. Apple takes care of its customers. I'll be a customer for life.

And i could fire up my xp-box from 2002 and say the same... what's up with this idea that 5 year old computers shouldn't be functioning?

Also,

1) AppleCare is something you pay for. Do the same with other companies and receive similar treatment (sometimes better, sometimes worse).
2) If the product had tons of issues, and needed four repairs how the hell i'd be damned if i wouldnt get a replacement even without AppleCare (or equivalent). After all, i paid money for a functioning piece of technology, not some defect junk.
3) Customer service is always nice. Just dont go around thinking its free, or something only Apple can offer. You'll miss out... :- )
 
With all of these numbers so close in value & so far from 100% I get the impression that things could be a lot better for all of the companies, Apple included. With the way questions are asked in most areas anything below 90% is failing. Can you really brag if 1 in 4 customers are still not satisfied?

You have to understand, we are talking about consumers, the worst cock sucking, devil worshipping, third world raping evil capitalist **** heads that have ever walked the face of this world. NOT any of you, :) your all very good people, I'm talking about the other ones, the ones who don't visit Mac rumors :p

People LOVE to complain, people always wanna bitch aout everything no matter how great it may be, especially Apple. If there's one thing the people love more then a good product, it's to watch that product fail and have a reason to be waited on over their ******** meaningless problem.because chances are they can get something for nothing.
 
You need to figure out how to turn on your spell checker....

I thought Harry Potter was using a spell checker, and everyone else is supposed to use a spelling checker. :D


With all of these numbers so close in value & so far from 100% I get the impression that things could be a lot better for all of the companies, Apple included. With the way questions are asked in most areas anything below 90% is failing. Can you really brag if 1 in 4 customers are still not satisfied?

There's a certain amount of people who are too stupid to even check the box they want to check on a survey, or who just check a random box.


Agreed. You get what you pay for.

As long as you don't buy an iPad from a van in the car park.
 
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Maybe Linux could save the PC manafacturers.

They can modify it how they wish, make it really sexy (Windows 8 is a bit too ugly), instead of putting a stripped down baby version, put a full desktop.

Then they could do their own updates, and since they have the source and know the OS, they can help the customer.

Plus the binaries would be compatible with other Linux computers.

Essentially this is similar to what Apple have done, they took something open source, added a spark and it helped them in the long run.

You mean Android for PC
 
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