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I keep wondering how people get the idea that "Apple announcing first Arm Macs this year" means "so my 2019 Macbook Pro just became obsolete". Maybe they should have repeated "new versions of macOS will continue to support Intel Macs for years to come" a few more times.

Now give me *insert a list of unrealistic expectations* for *unrealistic price*!!!!
Big difference between 2 and 8 years. My MBP retina and Mac mini from 2012 are running 10.15 great. I don't think any of the Intel machines today will have that longevity. Even if MacOS still supports the Intel machines in 5 years, the 3rd party devs will not be optimizing their latest software on Intel hardware anymore(or put as much effort into it). Really feel sorry for the chaps who dropped $10K+ on their latest Mac Pro setups...
 
I’m really looking forward to work with the new Macs. Hope hurry up and release a pro machine soon. The keyboard on may 2018 MacBook Pro is killing me and the damn thing gets hot and loud. I need more power with less noise.

It is a smart move if they really are able to produce chips that are much faster than Intel or even AMD. It’s a huge advantage.
 
No it wasn't a Mac Pro it was a 16GB Mac Mini with a A12z chip. The Mini was attached to the Pro XDR display. Craig mentioned he was running the entire demo on an Apple SoC and showed us in About this Mac.

You mean the part where they launch a terminal in Debian and it clearly says: Mac OS Intel ?
 
Just bought my first 13in Mac Pro too.

I assume there is more Intel pcs coming due to a phased hand over for the hardware, software and contract ease away from Intel.

Will they put more than one of these in a Mac Pro though?

Apple typically support machines for around 5 years, 7 years for some machines. I wouldn't worry about it too much because at the end of the day there will be a new MBP 13" next year that will be faster/better than the one you just bought. In 5 years when your machine is no longer supported you'll probably want to upgrade anyway.
 
Tim Cook said himself that Apple’s ARM chips are designed for minimal power consumption - which is great for phones and tablets, but silly for computers. Computer processors need to be designed for performance!

Power consumption is all but irrelevant on a desktop Mac, but even on notebooks, Macs have demonstrated that they are capable of using Intel and having great battery life. At best it might be a little better for the environment, but I think it is probably the screens that use the most electricity, and Macs are a very small percentage of computers anyway.

This makes me feel like my computer is going to be forced to run on a cell phone CPU - a cell phone CPU that is AWESOME, but it is awesome for cell phones. Why would I want it on my computer?

I hate to say this, but this is the first time in years I am thinking about possibly switching to Windows. I’m not saying that to try to rile anybody up, but I mean, I’m basically losing all my existing software either way now.
He also said they were designing a range of processors. Don't worry, they are going to have performance-biased processors for those applications the same way every chip company does. And by the way, that tiny little phone CPU already kicks the ass of Intel laptop chips in single-core performance (we haven't even seen this year's chip yet) and is getting close in multicore. When Apple specially designs chips for larger enclosures they are going to leave your Intel Mac chips in the dust.
 
But will it as well run Windows (for ARM) via Boot Camp? I hope so, as Windows 10 for ARM processors does exist already. This entire decade I've been developing drivers and tools for Boot Camp (Trackpad++ drivers, for example). So I hope Boot Camp will not be gone... :)

The big difference with Apple-silicon is that you would lack the graphics drivers under Windows - at least for any integrated graphics. That would require Apple to write Windows graphics drivers which I don't think will happen..
 
Did you just straight up miss the part where they talked about virtualization? They even demoed running Linux using Parallels, which is basically just Bootcamp without having to restart your machine

They were almost certainly virtualizing Linux for ARM, not Linux for x86. That doesn't get you any closer to running Windows in a VM on ARM hardware.
 
Let the guinea pigs have at it. I can see a lack of high quality desktop applications missing on ARM Macs for many years to come. Mac OS is already a redheaded step child next to Windows, and now moving to ARM will ensure there won’t be a ported Mac version of Windows applications.

There isn’t anyone making powerful ARM CPUs for Windows either. Apple is pretty much alone in this fight. Unlike iOS, Mac devices don’t have the same commanding power to dictate the entire industry. Software availability outside of garbage mobile apps is going to be scarce!
 
I guess that this was inevitable. Apple can make more profit from machines whilst keeping the performance relatively the same at the low end. What will be very interesting will be the high end level GPUs. It is one thing to roll out a custom version of an ARM chip. Quite another to try to replicate a Vega etc for graphic designers.
 
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You mean the part where they launch a terminal in Debian and it clearly says: Mac OS Intel ?

That was the request headers from Safari -- not the version of Debian.

That is most likely because they kept the Safari request headers to still say Intel until this release -- so they could continue to test it over the last year and no webserver admins could see this version.
 
Kind of gutted - spent over $3K (Canadian) on my 2019 iMac - guess I should have waited. Wonder how long they'll support any Intel Mac once they complete the switchover?
 
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