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OK! So, just thought I'd update here with my findings after experimenting a bit more.

This problem is almost certainly introduced at some point in the m4v remuxing/tagging process. My process for mkv files is as follows: use mp4tools to remux into an m4v, then drop into Subler and tag them. I originally thought this issue was limited to 1080p content, but I discovered today that a 720p file (tv ep, ripped from a blu-ray, roughly ~3GB) did the juddering after something like 5+ minutes of playback. This happened on something like three episodes in a row (watched in a marathon), so I had to resort to the old 'tap the back arrow, then hit play' to eliminate it for another 5 or so minutes.

Despite having created this m4v with the latest version of mp4tools in the first place, running it through the 'remux' only option in the 'Edit' pane resolved the problem. So either mp4tools isn't doing this initially, which is unlikely, or Subler is breaking the files somehow. Regardless, the 'Remux' process in mp4tools available in the Edit pane retains the tags, so the file is identical but doesn't stutter on motion after a few minutes of playback. My files typically have AC-3 5.1, AAC 2.0 *and* DTS audio in them, and since adding this final remux step to my workflow, the problem is gone. I've watched another two or three episodes since and this show has plenty of motion, so I'd definitely have noticed it if it was.

Obviously it would be nice if I didn't have to do this extra step, so I'm holding out hope that the new Apple TV software counterpart to iOS 8 resolves it. Regardless, this is a consistent solution for me.

Apologies if you knew all this already, but both myself and a few others here appeared to be uncertain as to what was at fault here. I can pretty conclusively rule out, at least for my part, stuff like VBR audio, file size or resolution. :)
 
So either mp4tools isn't doing this initially, which is unlikely, or Subler is breaking the files somehow.

I'm not using Subler, and unless I remux a file I convert with MP4Tools, the video will stutter. Whatever it is that MP4Tools does in that separate remux pass, it's not doing it on the initial m4v conversion.
 
I'm not using Subler, and unless I remux a file I convert with MP4Tools, the video will stutter. Whatever it is that MP4Tools does in that separate remux pass, it's not doing it on the initial m4v conversion.

Interesting. Do you tag your files with something else, or in mp4tools itself?
 
Amazing news! Ready? The problem is FIXED in iOS 8 for the Apple TV! :eek: I'm running the GM on mine and a test file I found on the Apple discussion boards (here if you're interested — search for 'paisley' or scroll down a bit) stuttered on the latest current public Apple TV software. I restored to the iOS 8 ATV3 GM and tested it again and it's working perfectly. I'm sixteen minutes into the test file right now and it's smooth as you like.

So bloody happy. Thanks Apple, you may have taken your sweet time but you got there in the end! Further testing is most welcome indeed. Those of you not in the dev program or the like, this update for the Apple TV should be released publicly alongside iOS 8 for the iPhone/iPad/etc.
 
it is true, i just download the latest firmware and the lag issue is done :)
i am super happy cant believe it

with latest I mean version 7 gold master it si not release to the public yet

AppleTV3,1_7.0_12A365b_Restore.ipsw
 
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I mistakenly pressed the button on my remote while the "new software update is available" screen was up. I figured that it would fail like it has in the past (can't update from 5.3 to 6.2 OTA), but it actually did it. I was in the middle of a movie when it happened so I figured I would just let it play out and low and behold the studdering appears to be gone. I'm going to test one more 1080p movie from my collection that is known to studder and hope for the best.

EDIT: Spoke too soon. Studdering still exists after it upgraded itself to 6.2. I'm hoping iOS 8 will finally take care of this mess on Wednesday. Anyone have a copy of the GM they want to share?
 
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Amazing news! Ready? The problem is FIXED in iOS 8 for the Apple TV! :eek: I'm running the GM on mine and a test file I found on the Apple discussion boards (here if you're interested — search for 'paisley' or scroll down a bit) stuttered on the latest current public Apple TV software. I restored to the iOS 8 ATV3 GM and tested it again and it's working perfectly. I'm sixteen minutes into the test file right now and it's smooth as you like.

So bloody happy. Thanks Apple, you may have taken your sweet time but you got there in the end! Further testing is most welcome indeed. Those of you not in the dev program or the like, this update for the Apple TV should be released publicly alongside iOS 8 for the iPhone/iPad/etc.

The file you linked in only 480p. Is there a different file you were thinking of, or did your Apple TV studder playing 480p content as well? Most here only see the issue playing 1080p content.
 
The file you linked in only 480p. Is there a different file you were thinking of, or did your Apple TV studder playing 480p content as well? Most here only see the issue playing 1080p content.

It did on that file. I'd had the issue with 720p files myself (TV episodes). I think a lot of people (myself included) deal almost exclusively with 1080p files, so may think the problem is with those. Basically, the problem is actually with the remuxing engine used by certain utilities. I emailed the developer of mp4tools to see if he could shed a bit more light on the situation.

Basically, if you run an mkv with h.264 through the conventional tab where you can encode the audio track(s) and whatnot. That way of doing things will tend to (or always? not sure!) produce files that stutter. Run those files through the 'remux file' option in the 'Edit' tab and the stutter goes away.

Feel free to use that file to test if you haven't yet updated. Like I said, if you remux it using the special mode in the 'Edit' tab of mp4tools, the same file won't stutter. Or at least it hasn't for me in all my testing.
 
The file you linked in only 480p. Is there a different file you were thinking of, or did your Apple TV studder playing 480p content as well? Most here only see the issue playing 1080p content.

All of my rips are 720p and a good percentage of them suffer from the stutter. Still, I hope IOS8 fixes it once and for all.
 
It did on that file. I'd had the issue with 720p files myself (TV episodes). I think a lot of people (myself included) deal almost exclusively with 1080p files, so may think the problem is with those. Basically, the problem is actually with the remuxing engine used by certain utilities. I emailed the developer of mp4tools to see if he could shed a bit more light on the situation.

Basically, if you run an mkv with h.264 through the conventional tab where you can encode the audio track(s) and whatnot. That way of doing things will tend to (or always? not sure!) produce files that stutter. Run those files through the 'remux file' option in the 'Edit' tab and the stutter goes away.

Feel free to use that file to test if you haven't yet updated. Like I said, if you remux it using the special mode in the 'Edit' tab of mp4tools, the same file won't stutter. Or at least it hasn't for me in all my testing.

I use iVI Pro personally. It has been great up to this last round of iOS updates. I remux 720p TV quite often and have never had an issue with them. Just the 1080p movies give me trouble. Oddly enough, if I send the movie through Handbrake with the Apple TV3 preset and bump up the video bitrate to something more acceptable the file plays fine.
 
I've had this problem with everything downloaded from BBC iPlayer for ages now, but only this content not anything specifically 720p or 1080p. However, I do all my disc rips through handbrake, and running the crashy iPlayer downloads through handbrake fixes them.

I've just installed iOS8 on my AppleTV 3 and it's played a whole episode of In The Night Garden with no problem. So it may be fixed...
 
I've had this problem with everything downloaded from BBC iPlayer for ages now, but only this content not anything specifically 720p or 1080p. However, I do all my disc rips through handbrake, and running the crashy iPlayer downloads through handbrake fixes them.

I've just installed iOS8 on my AppleTV 3 and it's played a whole episode of In The Night Garden with no problem. So it may be fixed...

So they may have fixed it for the ATV3, but for the ATV2 we're stuck with a version which either constantly wants to upgrade (5.3) but at least works without stuttering, or we upgrade to 6.2.1 which probably still stutters and thus breaks a perfectly good ATV without any chance of getting version 7. Great. Time to jailbreak it I guess and turn off autoupdate.
 
Oh man, I hope this is true. I've had this problem for a little while and it seems to have gotten worse. Couldn't get thru 10min of 1080p content, I gave up. I use Handbrake/Subler. Happened to update my ATV3 today to iOS 8 because I heard it was out. Going to trying streaming a movie and see if it's fixed.
 
I got through 2 1080p movies last night. First was known to stutter on previous releases and that played fine. Second was a new movie and that played fine as well. Here's hoping things stay that way.
 
Ok just updated and tried one of my problem 720p rips. The studder is still there. May have to just redo my rips. Sigh......

Edit: While updating all of my ATVs I mistakenly thought I was updating an ATV3 and it was an ATV2. ATV3 does seem to work fine now with new update on encodes. ATV2 with 6.2.1 still stutters horribly. Not sure if Apple will ever resolve it for ATV2.
 
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Ok just updated and tried one of my problem 720p rips. The studder is still there. May have to just redo my rips. Sigh......

Edit: While updating all of my ATVs I mistakenly thought I was updating an ATV3 and it was an ATV2. ATV3 does seem to work fine now with new update on encodes. ATV2 with 6.2.1 still stutters horribly. Not sure if Apple will ever resolve it for ATV2.

Thanks for doing the test. It is exactly what I feared so I'm just going to have to jailbreak mine and lock it to 5.3 which works perfectly.
 
I took the plunge and updated. Good news! Watched a 1080p movie tonight with no problems whatsoever. So far so good.
 
If the juddering/stuttering issue is fixed then all of us "latest ATV3" users on the previous software release should upgrade straight away, especially since we cannot downgrade to any of the previous, stable firmware versions anyway... :)
 
Just tried iOS7 with a few rips I was having trouble with and all are playing back perfectly now, about time :apple:
 
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