I believe that it is because of the power of A15 vs. A12. I’m not sure if it’s just raw power or if it’s specific encoder/decoder on the chip. But I think that’s the reason.
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lol just my luck. Bought the 2021 model 2 months ago when I upgraded my TV to a Samsung OLED. I am tempted to sell the older Apple TV just for the fact the new one supports HDR10+ which is what my Samsung TV supports instead of Dolby Vision. Don’t know if it will be worth it though as content in HDR10+ now is only available on Amazon Video and a few Blurays. If Apple’s original content comes out in HDR10+ I would strongly consider it though.
LG does not support HDR10+ anyways so don't worry about it.
My screen goes blank before playing video. I'll hear the audio until the video finally catches up. You think this would help that?
ouch, that’s painful timing! if I were you, I’d sell the 2021 ATV for the 2022 for the peace of mind that you’re getting the most from your new OLED.
that’s probably the time your TV takes to switch from the frame rate/resolution/color space of the Apple TV menus (say 4K 60Hz HDR), to the frame rate/resolution/color of the content you want to watch (say 4K 24Hz SDR). that can happen when you have the Apple TV setting enabled to match the frame rate of your source content. (which to me does seem like the best setting.)
unfortunately the time that takes to switch is just dependent on the chips inside your TV, I think. if you want the momentary screen blanking to go away, you could disable the setting to match the content frame rate. then Apple TV would send the same type of signal to your TV always (say 4K 60Hz HDR) regardless of the specs of the video content being played.
HobeSoundDarryl
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I doubt it. I don't think that has anything to do with horsepower but just choices made in software.
However, that's only a guess and you should ask again after these are in people's hand. Maybe Apple will surprise both of us by fixing that?
most people with a surround sound setup use hdmi from their receiver.
ive been using hdmi since 2008 since those receivers.
optical is long dead and doesn’t support atmos. Hdmi has been the normal way for audio setups for over a decade now.
So, if I wanted to set up a 2.1 audio setup with a pair of bookshelf speakers and a subwoofer, I need to purchase an additional receiver, and then route the Audio/Video signals through the receiver just to take advantage of the Apple TV?
Or a sound bar set up like sonos that can do that for you. Can get a bar and mini sun for $673.
A receiver amplifies a certain amount of channels for speakers and subwoofers. An Apple TV isnt designed for that. Neither is your TV.
Apple TV at $129 is great. Maybe during Christmas, its price will further reduce.
Why wait for xmas?
If you have the Veteran or Education Apple Store as an option, you can get it even cheaper. The 128GB is $134 and the 64GB is $116 on the Veteran Apple Store:
Amazon has the preorder for $124.99 for the 64GB ATV4K3:
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Personally seem to prefer the remote.
Going forward/back i usually ask Siri to do it, because then i can be even more precise about how much i want it to jump.
And it is pretty much the only thing i ever use Siri for. Oh wait no, sometimes i use the "what did she say?" feature, for Siri to go back a bit and repeat the scene with subtitles
I think this is the crux of why we (you, I, anybody) uses an Apple TV over a Roku/Firestick/BuiltinAppsonTV.
They just work.
Our 4K one has been in the lounge several years and we now use it for 95% of our viewing. We stopped watching Live TV for the most part 6 months ago and the only way we can watch it now is via an App on the Apple TV, we ditched the aerial and cable box.
Will buy the new one to replace the lounge one as that will be relegated to the Garage for the Gym TV, at least my Wife will stop complaining the Apple Fitness+ rings/stats are not showing when she uses Airplay on that TV.
Sure, it you watch Live TV 90% of the time and occasionally stick something on Netflix then keep your cable box and just use the built in Smart TV App but if you don't watch Live TV and only use Netflix/Disney/AppleTV+ etc, then an Apple TV will make your life so much easier.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Dongles are high profit, tiny warehouse/store shelving things.
And every penny (saved) counts when you are chasing the next trillion-dollar valuation tier.
However, (barely) joking aside, I'd happily pay more for ONE AUX (analog) jack out myself (as Apple used to include on earlier generations of this product)... much more than that port would cost Apple to put it back in again.
To get it now, some of us spend $25-$50+ for a dongle from some third party. As is typical of dongle solutions, some work and some don't. Some do the main thing we seek but introduce other problems. For example, with THIS particular want, there are plenty that can split out audio to stereo analog but "break" CEC functionality vs. not using the dongle. So you gain one thing and lose something else. And then you find yourself hunting through a variety of them in search of one that actually does ALL of what you want/need.
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HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Probably not. If you look back to last years feature list expected for tvOS, you'll see that HDR10 was one of the features referenced again and again right up until close to rollout and then it was pulled. Many of "us" were quite disappointed because the rest of the short list was much less tangible... feeling like the new tvOS barely had anything much to offer after a year of development.
If it was ready to go then, it would apparently work with the prior generation AppleTV. To me, this smells like the old "hold a feature back in support of selling the new one we want to launch next year" vs. being a tangible "only new hardware can" bit of actual rationale.
As we see over and over in Mac-land, deprecated Macs that "can't run the new macOS features" can be hacked to easily run the new macOS features, sometimes for a few more generations of macOS upgrades before real issues pop up. It's not a great leap to imagine that's in play here. New hardware is sold and existing hardware is replaced on the appeal of exclusive features.
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I feel the same way. I have the first generation 4K and it works great, even with the Silver remote. If it streams well, it's in 4K, and it feels smooth, to me that's all that matters.
I love Apple but I definitely understand what you’re saying. I had a jailbroken iPhone 3G and recorded video on it, even though Apple only allowed the 3GS to do it. I’m a user but not a blinded-by-love-fanboy for sure. I have many criticisms about the way apple has handled iPad and iPadOS the last few years.
However, the subject you quoted was about HDR10+ on A15 vs. HDR10 on A12. I don’t know if the A12 has quite the throughout for it. I don’t know and would love to see any info about that.
Again, I’m not at all disagreeing with what you’ve said. I want to know if the A12 could push HDR10+ flawlessly for potentiallly hours in end with no problems.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Again, dig back into the threads from last years tvOS. It was one of only about 3 or 4 bulleted features of the new tvOS 15 at the time... that was pulled at almost the last minute for no obvious reason. I couldn't quickly find the simple bullet list tvOS 15 roundup from last year but here's an interesting read rounding up the prior generation Apple TV being ready for BOTH HDR and DV HDR in the wayback machine. If you worked forward in time in the wayback, you'll eventually find multiple threads talking about it then, expecting it, it being in a short list of key features, then suddenly pulled.
One year later, there is new hardware and it is one of a handful of tangible benefits limited to only the new model.
Yes, I admit I can't recall with certainty if any of that was HDR10+ or not. It may have only been HDR10... but that would still imply HDR10 could be delivered in tvOS 16 for those sufficiently pleased with that and owners of TVs that work with it... including many that do NOT work with DV.
Consider too that Dolby Vision isn't a significantly less taxing implementation of HDR support- just a different version. The older hardware has no problem with Dolby Vision support. HDR10 isn't some "next level" HDR... just one that is used in place of paying the DV license fee on the most-sold television brand in the world and a few smaller brands support it too.
My gut guess is that HDR10 would run just fine on the prior generation AppleTV... but Apple needed some exclusives to help push this new one and it become one of them. Anyone with the most-sold TV brand and interested in HDR will likely want to upgrade to the newest AppleTV to use that feature (that group includes me). if their existing AppleTV supported it, they could just update tvOS and carry on.
See features like you describe with that iPhone 3GS limitation and plenty with macOS too. It works really well to accelerate the pace of "upgrade" purchases... just like mysterious, "long in tooth" slowdowns with each iteration of what should be increasingly-more-refined OS versions.
One year later, there is new hardware and it is one of a handful of tangible benefits limited to only the new model.
Yes, I admit I can't recall with certainty if any of that was HDR10+ or not. It may have only been HDR10... but that would still imply HDR10 could be delivered in tvOS 16 for those sufficiently pleased with that and owners of TVs that work with it... including many that do NOT work with DV.
Consider too that Dolby Vision isn't a significantly less taxing implementation of HDR support- just a different version. The older hardware has no problem with Dolby Vision support. HDR10 isn't some "next level" HDR... just one that is used in place of paying the DV license fee on the most-sold television brand in the world and a few smaller brands support it too.
My gut guess is that HDR10 would run just fine on the prior generation AppleTV... but Apple needed some exclusives to help push this new one and it become one of them. Anyone with the most-sold TV brand and interested in HDR will likely want to upgrade to the newest AppleTV to use that feature (that group includes me). if their existing AppleTV supported it, they could just update tvOS and carry on.
See features like you describe with that iPhone 3GS limitation and plenty with macOS too. It works really well to accelerate the pace of "upgrade" purchases... just like mysterious, "long in tooth" slowdowns with each iteration of what should be increasingly-more-refined OS versions.
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