I believe the previous 4K (2nd Gen) supports HDR10, and the new one supports HDR10+. My guess is A15 has the power to push HDR10+ and A12 only has power to push HDR10.
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I suspect they're using the MCDP2920A4 from Kinetic Technologies, same as last gen...Funny how the chip supplier doesn't even refer to it as HDMI 2.1 :O https://www.kinet-ic.com/mcdp2900/
That's kinda crap that the older models aren't getting HDR10+ support -- HDR10+ adds support for dynamic metadata (HDR10 is static metadata), this is basically a software update, nothing more.
Interesting. I didn’t know if the A15 was what enabled it or not (I asked earlier in this thread but have not gotten an answer). I wasn’t sure if the A15 was required for either increased CPU/GPU necessary or some sort of on board hardware encode/decode engines for the “+”
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Pretty sure Dynamic metadata requires processing. You a HW designer or otherwise engineer and know something the rest of us don't?
With the release of the new ATV, Apple also brought HDR10+ support to iPhones and iPads AND Macs -- any models that had previous HDR support should now also support HDR10+.
I guess you forgot to research that before you commented questioning my bona fides, lol.
Anyway, they already supported Dolby Vision dynamic metadata on all these devices that previously supported just HDR10, including the previous generation ATV. HDR10+ is basically the same thing, it's just a more "open" HDR standard that is not owned and licensed by Dolby.
Looks like some press outlets have contacted Apple asking them for clarity, because tbh this doesn't make sense.
It's a software thing, and it's not like Apple to lock out software features like that.
UPDATE:
Apple TV Apps Just Got A Major New Feature
Samsung TV owners will be particularly happy
www.forbes.com
Looks like it SHOULD work on existing ATVs -- I'm going to test on mine in a moment!
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It’s what I’ve always done yes. But I’ve always had a 5.1 since 2007 or so.
not sure how else you would get audio besides soundbars.
They have cheaper 2 channel receivers also. Can anyway get a used one for super cheap if all you need is 2 channel.
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With the release of the new ATV, Apple also brought HDR10+ support to iPhones and iPads AND Macs -- any models that had previous HDR support should now also support HDR10+.
I guess you forgot to research that before you commented questioning my bona fides, lol.
Anyway, they already supported Dolby Vision dynamic metadata on all these devices that previously supported just HDR10, including the previous generation ATV. HDR10+ is basically the same thing, it's just a more "open" HDR standard that is not owned and licensed by Dolby.
Looks like some press outlets have contacted Apple asking them for clarity, because tbh this doesn't make sense.
It's a software thing, and it's not like Apple to lock out software features like that.
UPDATE:
Apple TV Apps Just Got A Major New Feature
Samsung TV owners will be particularly happy
Looks like it SHOULD work on existing ATVs -- I'm going to test on mine in a moment!
Dang - I was going off what you said about HDR10 being static not even considering Dolby Vision being dynamic. My bad.
I've got an LG that only states it's HDR10 and Dolby Vision compatible. Nothing about HDR10+ which - based on this discussion, it should be able to.
Do report what you find with your ATV!
I am not completely convinced of that. I believe the reasons are more along the lines of:
1. Licensing costs.
2. Holding some features for just the new model to give folks incentive to upgrade and/or purchase the new model versus the older versions.
So I've updated my existing older model (first gen) ATV 4K to the latest TV OS 16.1 and I can't get HDR10+ to work
The guy who wrote that Forbes article said it should work with the Apple TV+ shows like Ted Lasso...I currently don't have an active ATV+ subscription, so I tried the pilot / free episode of Ted Lasso, Blackbird, and a few other titles, and it's definitely not working for me. It's displaying these videos in regular HDR10.
I'm not sure of any other way to test it. I don't believe the YouTube app on the ATV supports ANY HDR format.
I have an HBO Max subscription, and their titles are either DV or HDR10, as far as I know, they don't have any in HDR10+ (and since I have a Samsung TV, I can't get DV)
For the other guy with the LG TV, if you've got Dolby Vision support on your TV, you're good man.
Most content that is available on the Apple TV period isn't even mastered in HDR10+ -- Apple is in tight with Dolby and have been for a long time, so their shows are done in either HDR10 or DV, I believe. Although like I said the guy from Forbes claims they're adding HDR10+ versions. I'll believe it when I see it :🤷:
The big problem here is that no Samsung TV supports Dolby Vision due to Samsung claiming that the licensing costs outweigh the value to consumers, which is why they basically came up with HDR10+ -- a royalty free dynamic metadata HDR format to compete with DV.
I believe Amazon Prime has a bunch of shows that use HDR10+ but I don't have an active subscription.
As for why Apple are playing coy with HDR10+ support, my only guess is that because it's a "Samsung thing" they may not want to advertise it as a feature. IDK, that's a real shot in the dark. I don't believe that they would purposefully limit it to just the newer model, it makes zero sense. Although, they did just that with thread support, so maybe I'm the jackass here.
The guy who wrote that Forbes article said it should work with the Apple TV+ shows like Ted Lasso...I currently don't have an active ATV+ subscription, so I tried the pilot / free episode of Ted Lasso, Blackbird, and a few other titles, and it's definitely not working for me. It's displaying these videos in regular HDR10.
I'm not sure of any other way to test it. I don't believe the YouTube app on the ATV supports ANY HDR format.
I have an HBO Max subscription, and their titles are either DV or HDR10, as far as I know, they don't have any in HDR10+ (and since I have a Samsung TV, I can't get DV)
For the other guy with the LG TV, if you've got Dolby Vision support on your TV, you're good man.
Most content that is available on the Apple TV period isn't even mastered in HDR10+ -- Apple is in tight with Dolby and have been for a long time, so their shows are done in either HDR10 or DV, I believe. Although like I said the guy from Forbes claims they're adding HDR10+ versions. I'll believe it when I see it :🤷:
The big problem here is that no Samsung TV supports Dolby Vision due to Samsung claiming that the licensing costs outweigh the value to consumers, which is why they basically came up with HDR10+ -- a royalty free dynamic metadata HDR format to compete with DV.
I believe Amazon Prime has a bunch of shows that use HDR10+ but I don't have an active subscription.
As for why Apple are playing coy with HDR10+ support, my only guess is that because it's a "Samsung thing" they may not want to advertise it as a feature. IDK, that's a real shot in the dark. I don't believe that they would purposefully limit it to just the newer model, it makes zero sense. Although, they did just that with thread support, so maybe I'm the jackass here.
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Apple TV app on smart TVs now streams in HDR10+ | AppleInsider
Apple has rolled out an update to its Apple TV app used by smart TVs and other devices, bringing HDR10+ support for Apple TV+ streams and for iTunes movies.
This article is a lot more clear -- It's not the Apple TV itself that has been updated, it's the Apple TV+ APP that's built into smart TVs. So if I use the Apple TV+ app on my Samsung TV it should work. Testing now lol. God this is confusing.
EDIT: IT WORKS! HDR10+ on Ted Lasso using the Apple TV APP on my Samsung smart TV!
However when watching the same free pilot episode, on the same TV, using the actual Apple TV itself -- nope. HDR10 still, no HDR10+ lmao.
I'm hoping that they'll sort all this out and it will "just work" come November across Apple's entire ecosystem.
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HDR10+ support is only on the new, 3rd Gen (A15) ATV box, not the 1st and 2nd Gen 4K boxes.
It is also coming to ATV app on TV’s that support HDR10+.
Why would they update their app that runs on other companies TVs made 4-5 years ago to support it, but not their own previous gen 4K apple TV boxes, even the one they released just last year? That makes no sense at all to me. Something weird is going on here. I also came across several articles that said they were updating the TV app on HDR capable iPhones and iPads and Macs to support it as well.
Even from a service standpoint, that is nonsensical. If a content creator wants to deliver an HDR10+ show to Apple's stream services platform, Apple will only allow the latest generation ATV to stream it, and no other device of theirs, but Samsung TVs running the ATV app can do it? That's wacktastical to the extreme.
Plus Ted Lasso is their own series...
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Definitely. It’s a head scratcher for sure. A lot of inconsistency here in all these most recently launched products. I don’t know how long HDR10+ TV’s have been around, but Apple’s Silicon is industry leading. If a Samsung TV with HDR10+ capability can run the ATV app and get HDR10+, then I don’t see why Apple’s own A12 powered ATV from last year can’t. Strange decisions lately.
I don't really understand this. Samsung TVs support HDR10+ natively as long as the content is in that format so what is bringing HDR10+ to the Apple TV App going to accomplish? It needs to be brought to the hardware to be of any use. Or is it being brought to the Apple TV App within the ATV 4k box itself? I guess that would make more sense.
It means that within the Apple TV app on that Samsung TV, it can serve up HDR10+ content, which the TV is capable of playing back perfectly. The current second gen Apple TV 4K, the one that is about to be replaced on November 4 with a third generation, is only capable of HDR10, not +
What people are pointing out is that that makes no sense, the 2021 Apple TV 4K should be more than capable of serving up HDR10+ content.
So essentially Apple TV shows are now being offered in HDR10+ format and it really has nothing to do with the hardware or app itself? Because that's essentially what has happened to you. I really don't get this.Apple TV app on smart TVs now streams in HDR10+ | AppleInsider
Apple has rolled out an update to its Apple TV app used by smart TVs and other devices, bringing HDR10+ support for Apple TV+ streams and for iTunes movies.appleinsider.com
This article is a lot more clear -- It's not the Apple TV itself that has been updated, it's the Apple TV+ APP that's built into smart TVs. So if I use the Apple TV+ app on my Samsung TV it should work. Testing now lol. God this is confusing.
EDIT: IT WORKS! HDR10+ on Ted Lasso using the Apple TV APP on my Samsung smart TV!
However when watching the same free pilot episode, on the same TV, using the actual Apple TV itself -- nope. HDR10 still, no HDR10+ lmao.
I'm hoping that they'll sort all this out and it will "just work" come November across Apple's entire ecosystem.
There are only 2 ways to get HDR10+ from Apple right now:
1. The new 3rd generation Apple TV 4K
2. The updated Apple TV app on certain TV’s that are HDR10+ capable.
That’s it.
The Verge says: “The third-gen Apple TV 4K has another bit of future proofing up its sleeve: later this year, a software update will add support for what’s known as QMS VRR. This enables compatible TVs to switch between different frame rates without any black screens or noticeable picture interruptions. How many TVs work with QMS VRR, you ask? Well, zero at the moment. But you’ll start seeing them hit the market next year; stay tuned for more news about this feature at CES. I’ve never been that bothered by the short flicker when changing frame rates, but I won’t miss it, either.”
Apple TV 4K (2022) review: unmatched power at a much better price
Faster than ever, and the price is (finally) right.
www.theverge.com
I have a Samsung miniLED from last year , the QN90A.
The built in app has not been updated to tvOS 16 yet.
I have checked for updates on the TV’s Tizen App Store and it seems only tvOS13 is available.
I hope there is an update soon to the Samsung ATV app’s tvOS version to 16 so that it supports HDR10+
I hope they will be able to support the tvOS 16 update, as it is onlylast years model .
Does anyone else have the Samsung QN90A tv and are you also still waiting for the tvOS update too ?
The built in app has not been updated to tvOS 16 yet.
I have checked for updates on the TV’s Tizen App Store and it seems only tvOS13 is available.
I hope there is an update soon to the Samsung ATV app’s tvOS version to 16 so that it supports HDR10+
I hope they will be able to support the tvOS 16 update, as it is onlylast years model .
Does anyone else have the Samsung QN90A tv and are you also still waiting for the tvOS update too ?
I have a 2020 QLED and the Apple TV app does indeed play in HDR10+ so my app has been updated.