Apple TV 4K does not support 24.000fps playback

[randian]

Prioritizing claimed elegance over actual video quality in this kind of product is beyond dumb. Apple have morons managing their ATV team.

I’ve also read that ATV5 adds a ton of EE when upscaling 1080 content. Since you can’t turn off their scaler and pass through to your display’s scaler that’s bad news.

It makes me wonder if Apple bothered to make the UI 4k native.

 

[luy]

ATV 4K arrived.

iTunes 4k Movies really look amazing. Some short 4K Dolby Vision 24hz test results are good so far. 4k 30hz Dolby is stuttering. Looking out for those "problem making" 24p movies scenes now.

Forcing 4k HDR/Dolby Vision on 1080p files is really a bad thing. On some movies it looks quite good, on some its really awful. Switching manually is really no alternative and unfortunately there is no 1080p/24hz option.

They need to add a automatic refresh rate switching asap.

 

[Macrecon]

ATV 4K arrived.

iTunes 4k Movies really look amazing. Some short 4K Dolby Vision 24hz test results are good so far. 4k 30hz Dolby is stuttering. Looking out for those "problem making" 24p movies scenes now.

Forcing 4k HDR/Dolby Vision on 1080p files is really a bad thing. On some movies it looks quite good, on some its really awful. Switching manually is really no alternative and unfortunately there is no 1080p/24hz option.

They need to add a automatic refresh rate switching asap.

Nice. So DV 24hz movies were fine played at 4k60hz, and those same movies were choppy when the output was at 4k30hz?

What TV d you have?

 

[luy]

I have a LG Oled B6.
The TV can't handle 4KDV60hz. So I tested it with DV24hz and DV30hz. Just some short test so far, but yes I had some stuttering with 30hz compared to 24hz.
To mention: I always turn motion interpolation off.

 

[Macrecon]

Sound good! I have the same TV
So to make it clear. with a B6 connected. You can choose the output to 4k24hz and your prel tests looked good?

Are the menus/interface really choppie like that?

 

[luy]

Yes, you can set the output to:
4k 24hz SDR
4k 24hz HDR
4k 24hz DV

Im not quite sure if Netflix support DV on ATV yet, cause there was no icon showing up on tv shows that support DV.

The Interface is a bit choppie, but not that bad. 24hz comes first, Interface second, in my opinion.

 

[Bokes]

Yes, you can set the output to:
4k 24hz SDR
4k 24hz HDR
4k 24hz DV

Im not quite sure if Netflix support DV on ATV yet, cause there was no icon showing up on tv shows that support DV.

The Interface is a bit choppie, but not that bad. 24hz comes first, Interface second, in my opinion.

Confused-
So then why is everyone claiming it CAN'T out 24hz?

 

[Zorn]

Confused-
So then why is everyone claiming it CAN'T out 24hz?

I'm not sure if anyone was claiming that after the reviews came out. The main issue after seems to be that it won't do it by default, and won't switch automatically based on what content you are watching.

 

[Macrecon]

Yes, you can set the output to:
4k 24hz SDR
4k 24hz HDR
4k 24hz DV

Im not quite sure if Netflix support DV on ATV yet, cause there was no icon showing up on tv shows that support DV.

The Interface is a bit choppie, but not that bad. 24hz comes first, Interface second, in my opinion.

Can you check what 1080 modes there are, if 24hz is there too?

 

[archer75]

Yes but the shield auto switches to 24hz when playing content.

Only if plex is set to. Otherwise it stays at what the system settings are. Netflix doesn't change.
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I have a LG Oled B6.
The TV can't handle 4KDV60hz. So I tested it with DV24hz and DV30hz. Just some short test so far, but yes I had some stuttering with 30hz compared to 24hz.
To mention: I always turn motion interpolation off.

Set motion to dejudder 2 and deblur to 9. All judder will be gone. 99.9% of the time you won't see soap opera effect. It only happens in very specific scenes and very rarely.

 

[martinm0]

Can you check what 1080 modes there are, if 24hz is there too?

Sorry, 1080p is only marked as 60Hz and 50Hz. Nothing else.

And I saw others mention that it did DV 24Hz...there isn't a specific format listed as such, but there are HDR and SDR at 60, 50, 30, 25 and 24Hz as I mentioned earlier.

 

[luy]

Can you check what 1080 modes there are, if 24hz is there too?

As I mentioned. Unfortunately no 1080/24hz mode.

 

[Macrecon]

Sorry, 1080p is only marked as 60Hz and 50Hz. Nothing else.

And I saw others mention that it did DV 24Hz...there isn't a specific format listed as such, but there are HDR and SDR at 60, 50, 30, 25 and 24Hz as I mentioned earlier.

xsmett has an LG oled with DV and he claims 4k24hz "DV" is there. I will assume your TV is not DV and tehrefore ATV will not display those modes at all

 

[e1me5]

If the reason to do this, is because of the UI then its justifiable for them. Apple's attention to detail wont let them to have choppy animation when the playback has to be 24p. But not watching a film in it's native frame rate is unbearable for me. 24p to 50HZ just makes even the most amazing films to look like direct to video cheap sitcoms. I have the opportunity to get an ATV 4K for free but I will not and get something else, because of this issue.

 

[martinm0]

xsmett has an LG oled with DV and he claims 4k24hz "DV" is there. I will assume your TV is not DV and tehrefore ATV will not display those modes at all

I was thinking the same thing. My TVs are only HDR, so that would make sense.

 

[Macrecon]

Now someone has to try an ATV with a 1080 only display and see id 24hz is there at all.

 

[luy]

Well, again.

1. I have a Dolby Vision TV and I can select 4k 24HZ DV. If u don't have a Dolby Vision Tv it will of course not showing up as an option.
2. There is no 1080p/24hz Option. I have a 4k TV and a Full HD Tv. I tested both.

 

[martinm0]

Now someone has to try an ATV with a 1080 only display and see id 24hz is there at all.

Still no luck. Just plugged it into one of my 1080p TVs and it only shows the 60 and 50Hz options. Interestingly, under Other Formats it still lists all the 4k HDR/SDR and everything listed above, but nothing about DV. I would think DV would be available under Other Formats since a 1080p is offering 4k HDR options and it can't handle any of that.

 

[cube]

Still no luck. Just plugged it into one of my 1080p TVs and it only shows the 60 and 50Hz options.

But does the TV support 24p?

 

[Macrecon]

Thx both for trying! It is still a positive surprise Apple did implement 24hz @ 4k with and without DV, although I was very skeptical that only 30hz DV would be available, that doesn't make any sense at all for 24hz content.

Also the Verge review left many questions unanswered. It did say 24hz at some point in the review and the screenshot clearly showed that 4k30hz was not the last mode, the list continued. Then ppl start making the wrong conclusions

 

[martinm0]

But does the TV support 24p?

Stop making excellent points! I tested again on my 120Hz 1080p and still no 24Hz. Just 50 and 60Hz.

 

[theluggage]

Stop making excellent points! I tested again on my 120Hz 1080p and still no 24Hz. Just 50 and 60Hz.

The other question is what content supports 24Hz? My Fire TV supports auto-switching to 24Hz, but the only time it happens is with MrMC playing BluRay/DVD rips. Amazon/Netflix just stay at 60Hz and, I'm guessing, the material they are streaming is encoded at 30Hz...

 

[brentsg]

Yeah the issue here is that nobody wants to manually babysit this stuff when switching between film and video content, especially when it's just to satisfy Apple's vanity.

 

[cube]

Stop making excellent points! I tested again on my 120Hz 1080p and still no 24Hz. Just 50 and 60Hz.

I think some TVs support 24p but the EDID doesn't show it.

 

[Snoopy4]

And how big is the market for cinephiles? The ones who really care about Home theatre? Because let’s be honest. Most of the market will just buy a box and plug it into their TVs. And use the TV speakers to play the audio. THAT is the bulk of the market. And they don’t buy Apple products because it’s a “premium” brand. They buy it because it looks good and is easy to use.

Period.

Nvidia shield has all the bells and whistles..... but what is their market share???

Because it does matter. The cinephile is the one who’s supporting the progress of 4K. Not heavy AppleTV users with small sets where it’s not noticeable.