Apple TV Delayed Until March

[DMann]

Razr

I'm not sold on the tv but I would have interest in the iphone if didnt cost so damn much. 500 beans is a joke for an ipod that has a phone.

Seems few were concerned with the $499 price of the
RAZR when it was first introduced - fewer features,
played no music, no real-time internet, no touch screen,
low resolution, no HD, yet quite novel........ Why then is
$500 too much to ask for a portable unix machine that
does all this and more?

 

[patrick0brien]

-DMann

Thank you!!!

Bout time somebody said it.

I thought it was $800?

 

[BKMaggert]

A two week delay is NOTHING.

Yeah Apple came out this morning and said there was a TWO week delay. This afternoon I got notice that my order was delayed from February 28 to March 20.

That would be a 21 day delay, which is THREE weeks on my calendar. Amazing. We got another week delay in only a half a day.

I bet bet my order (within hours of the announcement) doesn't arrive until April now. Announce a product for February, only to have it delivered in April. They're playing a little loose with their promises for my tastes.

 

[Lucy Brown]

Seems few were concerned with the $499 price of the
RAZR when it was first introduced - fewer features,
played no music, no real-time internet, no touch screen,
low resolution, no HD, yet quite novel........ Why then is
$500 too much to ask for a portable unix machine that
does all this and more?

Because I dont need a portable unix machine and I already have an ipod and a cell phone and dont really want to switch cell phone carrier. Also for those who want one, there a plenty of smart phones on the market that are much cheaper than the iphone. They're just not made by Apple.

I do admit to wanting an iphone. I just dont need an iphone so I'll wait till the price drops enough to my liking, and if doesnt I'm not buying one.

 

[lazyrighteye]

-lazyrighteye

What do ya got?

Anything certified Hi-Def should work.

Yeah. 8 year old Zenith.
Nice set, but... well...
Def puts TV off my list.

 

[DMann]

Phones

Because I dont need a portable unix machine and I already have an ipod and a cell phone and dont really want to switch cell phone carrier. Also for those who want one, there a plenty of smart phones on the market that are much cheaper than the iphone. They're just not made by Apple.

I do admit to wanting an iphone. I just dont need an iphone so I'll wait till the price drops enough to my liking, and if doesnt I'm not buying one.

Well, so do I...... I've got a RAZR, three iPods, a Pocket PC,
a GPS, a laptop, and a contract with T-Mobile until January 2009.
I'll be switching over to AT&T and paying the $200 penalty so that
I can have all of these gadgets streamlined into one. If AT&T is
paying for my first two years of service with roll-over minutes,
this more than pays for the cancellation fee, as well as subsidizes
the purchase.

As far as all of my others gadgets, I'll keep them for spares,
in case of the iPhone gets stolen. Or, I might just sell the lot on eBay.....

 

[stephenli]

I totally agree. I got the 20GB PS3 and love it. One thing Apple has is software integration. PS3 lacks the network sharing that AppleTV promises. iPhoto, iTunes integration. I wish PS3 would support that.

well, yes. 20GB PS3 lacks networksharing.
u should buy 60GB. it works fine with PSP wirelessly!

well...photos & music apps with PS3, thats not bad, but....sony will not do it for us.....if yes it must be VAIO not OSX

 

[Old Smuggler]

hey if you dont want the phone, tv or ps3 dont buy it
move on

sorry other people have different opinions
guess you missed class that day in grade school

 

[BayAreaMacFan]

One thing we know for sure is that before Apple TV is released to the public iTunes 7.1 must be released. I don't know if it will simply come by itself or with some bigger package (Leopard, iLife '07, etc.), but if you get the podcast of MacWorld '07 off of iTunes and go to the 23:50 mark where Steve connects wirelessly to Phil's MacBook, on the bottom of the screen it says that Apple TV requires iTunes 7.1 or later.

 

[whatever]

I don't know about you, but I still prefer to buy my media and have a hard copy of the original. I do purchase random songs and singles from the iTunes Store, but nothing else. I still purchase CDs and DVDs.
"Yes, but you can burn it on CD and back-it-up..."
I know, but it's not the same.

I was in the same boat as you, but overtime I've changed my tune completely.

I have a couple thousand CD and a few hundred DVDs and it's become a chore to flip through them (I'm an organizational freak to boot!)

These days my CDs and DVDs are collecting dust. I buy a CD, the first thing I do is rip in iTunes and file it away. DVDs I lend out and often I never get them back.

My music shopping habits has greatly changed, I would say that 90% of everything comes from iTunes and as far as DVDs go, I've stop buying them because I don't have the space to store them.

 

[eddyg]

There was no risk on Apple's part to buy TiVo, and much to gain. Gaining a complementing brand, a compatible user base, and all that intellectual property to boot.

There is more to acquiring a company than just whether it fits market and customer wise. More important is how that company fits within Apple itself. How would Tivo culture clash or integrate with Apple culture. The companies don't mesh well internally then it will never work irrespective of the products.

I don't believe that Apple has a good record of acquisitions, most likely due to the very strong Apple culture that would be hard for them to integrate with.

Buying Tivo would put Apple in competition with Cisco again (via Scientific Atlanta) which would be a good thing. It could spur SA to bigger and better things. Maybe better integrating with Ciscos integrated home concept (which is what Cisco wants the iPhone to integrate with).


Cheers, Ed.

 

[Lucy Brown]

Well, so do I...... I've got a RAZR, three iPods, a Pocket PC,
a GPS, a laptop, and a contract with T-Mobile until January 2009.
I'll be switching over to AT&T and paying the $200 penalty so that
I can have all of these gadgets streamlined into one. If AT&T is
paying for my first two years of service with roll-over minutes,
this more than pays for the cancellation fee, as well as subsidizes
the purchase.

As far as all of my others gadgets, I'll keep them for spares,
in case of the iPhone gets stolen. Or, I might just sell the lot on eBay.....

IF at&t is paying. Thats a mighty big IF .

I havent heard that the iphone is going to have a true gps unit within. The keynote showed a goggle map which is a totally different animal.

hey if you dont want the phone, ?tv or ps3 dont buy it
move on

sorry other people have different opinions
guess you missed class that day in grade school

Move on? Maybe you missed the class in grade school.

 

[biggarthomas]

Apple TV is ready

I think that Apple TV hardware is ready. There is no way that if it were not ready, production could be ramped up and completed to meet pent up and anticipated demand and the product shipped in bulk and distributed, all within the next three weeks. Something else is going on. I have had an idea for a while that iTunes will carry films by all of the major studios on the day that Apple TV is released. I'll bet that there are still issues on the table between Apple and the major studios. Remember, just three weeks go, Wal Mart announced a deal to sell films at 4 pennies cheaper than Apple and from ALL of the major studios. I'll bet that Wal Mart, Apple and the studios cut a deal in principle but there are still details wo work out on the Apple/production studio end. In addition, in order to make Apple TV work, I'll bet that there will be an iTunes upgrade and that project might be holding things up. Remember the bugs in the original iTunes 7.0. I'll bet that Apple does not want to release another buggy iTunes.

 

[Digitalclips]

Well, so do I...... I've got a RAZR, three iPods, a Pocket PC,
a GPS, a laptop, and a contract with T-Mobile until January 2009.
I'll be switching over to AT&T and paying the $200 penalty so that
I can have all of these gadgets streamlined into one. If AT&T is
paying for my first two years of service with roll-over minutes,
this more than pays for the cancellation fee, as well as subsidizes
the purchase.

As far as all of my others gadgets, I'll keep them for spares,
in case of the iPhone gets stolen. Or, I might just sell the lot on eBay.....

You are De Man!! Great enthusiasm like yours is why I keep buying APPL stock, oh yes and every thing they make too

 

[iAlan]

Get Over It

[RANT]

Sorry, got half way through the thread and just thought 'GET OVER IT'

So some of us can't wait a couple of weeks so they are cancelling their orders - fine, whatever.

Some were waiting to fire their TV up this weekend but now can't - fine, whatever

Some are saying the PS3 is way better - fine, whatever

I do not think (and hope) Apple is deliberately delaying the release. I don't know why they are delaying - some are speculating 'bugs', some are saying 3rd party production delays, others are saying new features are being added and still others point to Leopard integration and possible Leopard release in line with TV. I don't know.

I think Apple will have a successful product on their hands once the thing is out and all 'related products' are also released - read that to be new Mac's, updated software (Leopard, iLife, and possible new TV media management tool)

I have not pre-ordered - I am waiting to see the thing in action first hand. If they have added stuff since the announcement I am looking forward to it - if not, then I will judge the box on it’s merits. And I am sure I will get one eventually - especially if content is made available in Japan!

[/RANT]

 

[DMann]

Gps

IF at&t is paying. Thats a mighty big IF .

I havent heard that the iphone is going to have a true gps unit within. The keynote showed a goggle map which is a totally different animal.

True, but if Google supplies maps, directions, live traffic, and Earth,
I can use that instead of the GPS. AT&T, from what I've
been hearing, will be offering a great incentive (2yrs service)
and who knows what else. We'll just have to see it when we
see it.

 

[patrick0brien]

-biggarthomas

That's a great point. One of the most common complaints I read from the pundits is that the TV shows available on iTunes are not at full 720p.

Perhaps there are some back room shenanigans going on.

 

[BWhaler]

I don't care about the delay, I just hope it's a quality product.

With the horrific Apple quality issues of late, I really hope Apple has their act together with this product. Apple TV is in the living room and has the quality expectations of a consumer product, not a Windows PC, so Apple best take their time to get it right.

 

[rc86mike]

I feel pretty connfident in saying March 20th holds some other release. The heavy rumors of Leapord for March 26th? If AppleTV SHIPS the 20th realistically they'll arrive to pre-order customers somewhere near the 25th and retail stores around the same time. While it is a BIG if, it's beginning not to seem so crazy. At the very least however, the 20th will bring iTunes 7.1, AppleTV, and a some larger announcement about the content on iTS. Maybe renting? But more likely major studio support and higher quality video options. Anyone agree or majorly disagree?

 

[Lucy Brown]

True, but if Google supplies maps, directions, live traffic, and Earth,
I can use that instead of the GPS. AT&T, from what I've
been hearing, will be offering a great incentive (2yrs service)
and who knows what else. We'll just have to see it when we
see it.

That would be the only way I would purchase the phone. They'd have to give me a big discount on the phone to make me switch over. I'm glad I dont have cingular now. I can take advantage of incentives if they have any. I just hope they dont pull that rebate crap as an incentive. Also I'd have to see what kind of service I would have in my area. I have tmobile now and it's the service is great. I have a nextel that work gives me and it's the worst service I've ever had, practically useless.

 

[DMann]

Quality

I don't care about the delay, I just hope it's a quality product.

With the horrific Apple quality issues of late, I really hope Apple has their act together with this product. Apple TV is in the living room and has the quality expectations of a consumer product, not a Windows PC, so Apple best take their time to get it right.

When Apple produced all of its components in-house, quality
was never a problem. It was only since they've been farming
out production overseas that quality issues have been arising.
Welcome to the 21C

 

[Cult Follower]

Why didn't they tell us in the first place? Unless they decided to add Leopard dependent features they weren't planning on adding until the next revision.

 

[JimmyTJ]

Are other accessories possible?

Would anyone happen to know if you can use USB2 to string multiple devices together? There are a lot of complaints around lack of DVD, DVR, etc. and I'm wondering if it would be possible for Apple and 3rd parties to create add-on devices that would add this functionality and be linked through the USB port. For example, Apple creates an add-on DVD player (or elgato creates a DVR w/ Harddrive), in the same form factor, that can be be placed under the AppleTV and provides this missing functionality.

It would be nice to be able to add components, such as an amplifier, that you could control through the AppleTV interface and would make it easier to string all of your media devices together and have one interface and one remote.

I think AppleTV is interesting but it seems to be missing something. If it had just one more feature (DVD, DVR, ???) I would be really interested in purchasing one. If these features were add-ons, that would be OK if they would be easier to add/set-up and control than the current options.

 

[~Shard~]

Not the best news, but better that Apple takes the time and gets it right than rush a non-ready product (especially an important one such as Apple TV!) to the market. Stuff™ happens, delays occur every once and a while, it's just a fact of life. Hopefully a few weeks won't have too significant of an impact on sales.

And for me, it doesn't matter, since I won't be buying one regardless...

 

[AidenShaw]

"string together" is 1394 talk....

Would anyone happen to know if you can use USB2 to string multiple devices together?

Daisy-chaining (what I think that you mean by "string together") is a 1394 concept.

In USB land, you connect hubs to turn one port into multiples. If you connect a hub to a hub, then you get multiples again.

So, the hardware can definitely support dozens of add-on USB drives.

Not enough is known about ITV to know if adding a drive even makes sense - it's a software and marketing lockout issue as to whether additional drives would be useful.