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Seriously? There are tons of good games out there. As a PC-gamer I was very sceptic about touchscreen controls, but there a lots of great games (adventures, strategy games, tower defence and really creative games) in the app store, especially for the iPad.

but how much of them would work well with an apple tv remote? sitting on my couch, when i hold up my ipad in front of my eyes, it's noticeable bigger than the tv-screen. i wonder what would set the apple tv apart from the devices i already have for gaming/media consumption.
 
Looks like it's GG then. TV games need better controllers than that. At least provide something on par with an NES controller!
 
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You do know the Apple TV is pretty cheap for what it provides? You expected a PS4 for $150?
They had to make something that supported current games, and possibly a few more elaborate ones.
The usual App Store games are $1-3, that's a pretty different world than consoles isn't it?
For $150, it could at least be as good as the Wii.

Graphically, it will be better...but not software wise, if game devs have to lower their game quality and complexity to support this controller.

I mean, you wouldn't even be able to play Super Mario World on the Apple TV controller. Let alone, say, a good fighting game.
 
I have been waiting for this update a long time only to find out that all the games will be like angry birds. I was looking forward to playing World of Tanks Blitz and Final Fantasy 7. I think the software is great but the hardware is lacking. Why not add the a9x?, few dollars profit maybe????. I wish they had a headphone jack like the Roku, could of used it for music!!!!!!!!!
 
No, they'll buy an Xbox or Playstation or Nintendo, or if they have enough money, they'll build a 1337 g4ming rig PC.

Some will. A growing number won't. Gaming rigs are becoming a smaller and smaller percentage of the total electronics stuff market. Even as more people play software games.
 
I mean, you wouldn't even be able to play Super Mario World on the Apple TV controller. Let alone, say, a good fighting game.
Yes you can. Anything a normal 80-es kind of joystick are able to, the ATV-remote is perfectly capable of.
Apple must also had a reason why they abandoned the original plan to restrict access of games to those who did not have a controller.
 
Thus driving a nail in the coffin for any companies interested in making good games for it.

No one on earth is going to buy this for its gaming capabilities.

Why even bother if you need to be able to control it with that disaster of a remote?

The NES is 30+ years old and is a more capable gaming machine than the Apple TV.
Reread the article before you make baseless claims please.
 
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Some will. A growing number won't. Gaming rigs are becoming a smaller and smaller percentage of the total electronics stuff market. Even as more people play software games.
I'll assume that's correct without looking for numbers because of mobile games. I thought you were considering only people who wanted gaming capabilities, i.e. people who would at least buy a console (be it one of the big three or the Apple TV). Those people would definitely choose one of the three mainstream consoles over an Apple TV with a controller. Everyone else would probably find an iPad or iPhone more suitable than an Apple TV for games. That's the problem. It's in between being a casual game device and a full-on game console.
 
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Not even going to bother with the new apple tv, there's nothing new on it. I have an iphone that I can use siri to get information onto my current gen device. Not to mention apple watch controls the tv too. Call me when appletv supports using your iphone as the controller, don't need to use the remote at all.
That has already been the case since generation 2 now. You download the Remote app. Unfortunately, you have to use Home Sharing to make it work, which is only bad because it's just kind of a PITA.
 
I have been waiting for this update a long time only to find out that all the games will be like angry birds. I was looking forward to playing World of Tanks Blitz and Final Fantasy 7. I think the software is great but the hardware is lacking. Why not add the a9x?, few dollars profit maybe????. I wish they had a headphone jack like the Roku, could of used it for music!!!!!!!!!

There won't be enough A9 chips in the world for the next four months at least to handle demand of both iPhone, iPad Pro and Apple TV using A9.

Don't you think it will support a bluetooth head set? And if it does, then a bluetooth dongle turns every headset into a bluetooth headset.
 
That's not missing the point. The game has to be implemented to the lowest common denominator - the remote - therefore the gamepad can't take full advantage of the gamepad. Some things will work fine - one or two button games with single D-pad control. But most shooters are out, as they require dual analog inputs and multiple buttons.
Why does it have to be one or the other when Apple specifically says it can be both? Every game i've ever played has a control scheme setting. Simply choose either the Siri remote or the 3rd party gamepad of your choice. Done.
 
Id like to have seen a d pad and 4-6 buttons on the back of the remote or something. Wouldn't have added too much cost for them and would really open stuff up for more advanced games.

Still, I bet devs will come up with some great games using the remote as it is.
Keep in mind this remote will be used to view TV and movie content for 90% of users, not gamers. Having a lot of buttons on any remote is not Apple's way and having a bunch of useless buttons on your remote is not a good consumer experience either.
 
So you think it's the games, and that Apple TV is going to have better games? Don't be so sure. So far all we know about this market is that people who want to play games on their TVs buy the XBox One and Playstation 4.

This controller restriction means we will be seeing big-screen iOS ports and at best Nintendo Wii style games. The Wii was successful because it offered casual gaming in the pre-smartphone era. That market quickly moved over to mobile and Nintendo hasn't been able to get their gamers in front of a TV since.

There's little reason to think the Apple TV is going to become a competitive gaming platform.
Apple is not competing with any gaming platforms because this is not a gaming machine. The same thing can be said about iPhone and iPad. But you don't have to be competing with an industry or company to destroy it. Just ask Nintendo.
 
Yes it has. Have you seen iOS gaming recently? Its garbage.
Compared to Android, iOS gaming is far superior. Compared to a dedicated portable gaming platform, iOS can hold its own but isn't really competing against those either.
 
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People forgot about the Wii. It may not have the best controls for most games, but they still tried to use them as best as possible with the quite pathetic Wii remote.

The Wii had that 2nd 'Nun Chuck' controller for use in your other hand, so more than just one controller.
 
I think this is a smart, but temporary, step for Apple. They are going from no app support on the TV to supporting apps and games will be rushing in. This will slow down the games to more simplistic ones due to this requirement. Once they get some experience and work more closely with developers, I could see them releasing a separate section in the TV store for MFI controller only games in the future. Apple want to manage the experience and that is probably a good safe step. I also suspect that some developers with deeper pockets can create a easy mode for the remote and a pro mode for the controller. All theories of mine of course, but for me this is fine. I play CoC and ashfault 8 on my ipad. I dont see any issues with those on the TV. Other games where its FPS kill everything, maybe this will not be the way to go yet.


fantastic Response, of which I agree 100% All in due time.
 
Well that's disappointing. Looking at my gaming library on my Fire TV it's pretty much all controller required games (Hotline Miami 2, Sonic 2/4/CD, GTA: SA, KOTOR, Minecraft, etc). If you try to launch a game that requires a controller it alerts you that no controller is detected. This really does limit what games are possible on the device. Apple's app store has a lot of high quality games that I just don't see working with the remote included in the new ATV.
 
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There won't be enough A9 chips in the world for the next four months at least to handle demand of both iPhone, iPad Pro and Apple TV using A9.

Don't you think it will support a bluetooth head set? And if it does, then a bluetooth dongle turns every headset into a bluetooth headset.


They should of been able to easily handle chip manufacturing for Apple TV if they can handle iPhone sales. Maybe they should put lead weights in it like the beats headphones to make me think I really have something amazing . I don't want to connect and charge bluetooth headphones.
 
Do the vast majority of iPhone owners use it to take photos every second of every day?

Yes.

Are there more powerful cameras out there that can take better photos?

Yes.

Do the vast majority of iPhone owners care?

No.

Will the Apple TV's remote will be just fine for the vast majority of people to game with.

YUP.
 
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