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Sex and violence are immature?
Since he claims to have watched the first minutes of the pilot, he perhaps missed the TV-MA notice on the splash screen, although I think his/her home country it's just MA.

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Get real.
Netflix had a 13 year streaming head start over Apple and didn't start original programing until 2013 (House of Cards). Until that time they had licensed content.
Amazon had a 14 year streaming head start over Apple and didn't start original programing until 2013 (Amazon Studios).
Apple has what 15, 16 shows available right now? It's been just over 3 months and they have more original shows than Netflix or Amazon started out with in same time frame.

You got it backwards.
The type of shows you are looking for that are family safe are the immature shows.
‘Immature’ in the sense that some people need foul language, graphic violence or sex/nudity to be entertained or titillated, like teenage boys, mostly. I grew out of that need quite a while ago. So have lots of other people. Yes, TV can reflect our society, warts and all, but it can also entertain and inform without having to mimic all the worst aspects of it. But, all of this is subjective. I don’t ask Apple to drop shows like these, but, rather to include more shows that cater to more mature tastes. After all, Apple is famous for its emphasis on inclusivity! I hope that, as this new service grows, the situation will improve.
 
I can scroll through Netflix and find plenty of family-friendly fare. Haven’t spent more than a few minutes on Amazon, so I can’t comment on it. Yes, we have dozens of free broadcast channels in Ireland (both over the air and via satellite) but that’s not my point. All of those options, whether streaming or broadcast offer a broad range of programming to suit a broad range of tastes. Apple seems to have aimed for the immature audience sector rather than the broader one. I think it’s a pity. Maybe it will change over time. My 1-year subscription has a long way to go yet. Time will tell.
I want all streaming services to be broader. We need more choices across platforms and within them. That being said, we now have 10x more choices than anytime in history so I don’t feel like you have a very valid complaint. When you restrict yourself viewing to merely language and do not consider quality or themes, you simply create more constrictions upon yourself. Just because something is family friendly does not mean it is good viewing for the entire family. It’s just the lowest common denominator.
 
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‘Immature’ in the sense that some people need foul language, graphic violence or sex/nudity to be entertained or titillated, like teenage boys, mostly. I grew out of that need quite a while ago. So have lots of other people. Yes, TV can reflect our society, warts and all, but it can also entertain and inform without having to mimic all the worst aspects of it.
Your definition of mature/immature doesn't seem to match the rest of the world.
Those two words have globally recognized meaning.
You changing the defs to fit your narrative just encloses you in your own bubble.
Moreover, you appear to be very consicious about certain content, didn't you check the rating frist before launching the show?
Seems like your problem with this show was self inflicted and could have been avoided with some due diligence.
‘But, all of this is subjective. I don’t ask Apple to drop shows like these, but, rather to include more shows that cater to more mature tastes. After all, Apple is famous for its emphasis on inclusivity! I hope that, as this new service grows, the situation will improve.
Have you contacted Apple with your concerns? MacRumors doesn't have anything to do with content on Apple TV+
 
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‘Immature’ in the sense that some people need foul language, graphic violence or sex/nudity to be entertained or titillated, like teenage boys, mostly. I grew out of that need quite a while ago. So have lots of other people. Yes, TV can reflect our society, warts and all, but it can also entertain and inform without having to mimic all the worst aspects of it. But, all of this is subjective. I don’t ask Apple to drop shows like these, but, rather to include more shows that cater to more mature tastes. After all, Apple is famous for its emphasis on inclusivity! I hope that, as this new service grows, the situation will improve.
I get what you are trying to say. Many shows (especially on ATV+) have unnecessary sex, masturbation, nudity, etc., that add nothing to the show. Take the scene out and nothing is missed (except by those that enjoy that sort of thing). I've got no problem with "MA" material if it's a necessary part of the show, but just for the sake of having it because the writers think a show just can't succeed without a masturbation or nudity scene, I can do without.
 
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Fictional characters and situations are a standard part of any psychological evaluation.

sobbing and whining restlessly in every damn episode does not make good drama, period.

ps I've teared up with How to Train your Dragon's romantic flight scene - due to the music mostly, which I saw for the first time 4 years ago, at 35
 
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I watched the whole thing yesterday, it’s gold. It’s “the office” meets “world of Warcraft”. Very funny. I have loved morning wars, see and for all man kind.
 
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The reason so many Pilots are called “pilot” is that the first episode is normally the pitch to a studio with the hope of shopping or getting picked up. That’s why Pilot episodes are so starkly different than subsequent episodes. Sometimes they are produced months in advance to the other episodes because of negotiations and determining budget to fund the entire season.
One famous example was the original Star Trek, which got two pilots, with major changes to the core of the cast between the two pilots (no Kirk or McCoy in the first one).
 
Most series I’ve seen so far have been lukewarm, Morning Show, Truth Be Told, Dickinson. The Servant started off strong but went belly up mid-season imho. The Morning Show tried hard to keep workplace issues, politics & scandals in scale and fair on all accounts, but went belly up as well earlier with all the sobbing and whining. Same for Truth Be Told. Too much dragged out drama.

Will give this a go anyway


Watch “Little America”. Seriously. I was about ready to give up on Apple TV+ but between that and MQ, it seems to be heating up and well worth keeping!
 
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This looks great. Servant and For All Mankind have been great. The Morning Show started interestingly enough, but ultimately didn't have that much to say and ended fairly predictably and flat.
 
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sobbing and whining restlessly in every damn episode does not make good drama, period.

ps I've teared up with How to Train your Dragon's romantic flight scene - due to the music mostly, which I saw for the first time 4 years ago, at 35
So people losing their livelihoods and families and suicide is too much crying for you but crying over a cartoon makes sense?
 
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Most series I’ve seen so far have been lukewarm, Morning Show, Truth Be Told, Dickinson. The Servant started off strong but went belly up mid-season imho. The Morning Show tried hard to keep workplace issues, politics & scandals in scale and fair on all accounts, but went belly up as well earlier with all the sobbing and whining. Same for Truth Be Told. Too much dragged out drama.

Will give this a go anyway
Never thought I would read someone describe workplace sexual harassment and other issues including suicide as sobbing and whining.
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Not everyone talks like that, my friend.
Absolutely true, so you have a choice watch or not, but slaming a show because of language is asking for censorship. I don’t slam family friendly shows for talking like nobody I know, including families. They are just words Not flaming serpents.
 
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So, yet another show from Apple that is not family-friendly! What a major disappointment. Even For All Mankind had to pop in two f-words per episode, without any need! Sigh. Hopefully someone will realise that there is a substantial segment of the audience out there that wants to be able to watch shows without needing to mute or skip - or just not watch at all. Mystic Quest joins See, Truth be Told, The Morning Show and Servant as unsuitable for this family’s viewing. Have we reached the point where immature (foul language, sex/nudity, extreme violence) content it required for a ‘successful’ TV show? It looks like Disney+’s arrival here (Ireland) in late March will be the only way forward....
Oh no, the F-word! Do you really think your kids aren't hearing that word (and using it themselves (and guess who they learn it off?)) on a regular basis day in, day out, in real life? Some people's expectations of TV vs real world is simply bizarre. Most of the shows with sex and violence your kids would find boring anyway, and by the time they are old enough to enjoy the content, they will already be a pro at the F-word.
 
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"A prescription bagel?"
"Legally, you're not allowed to ask..."
"Whatever"

I think that won it for me.
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That opening shot sure does look like Kingdom Come: Deliverance.
 
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Honestly, only disappointment so far is See, which I though would be my favorite one at launch.

How much of See did you watch? I found the first three episodes quite annoying, found the middle few quite enjoyable, and really enjoyed the end.

Many shows (especially on ATV+) have unnecessary sex, masturbation, nudity, etc., that add nothing to the show.
What AppleTV+ show has nudity in it? I remember the mastabation scene(s) in See, though you didn’t actually see any of her Naughty Bits; but sex and nudity? I don’t remember so much as a female nipple in any Apple TV+ programme I’ve seen. Do I need to watch Dickenson?

Ah heck, you’re talking about the Elephant programme aren’t you?
 
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First two episodes watched, loving it! :D

Just a quick question: As an Assassin's Creed player, I swear that I saw AC mentioned/showed like three times in the first episode (Aya kissing Bayek, Leap of Faith in a haystack and a real life hidden blade in a scene) and as I don't know anything about Mythic Quest at all I wonder why the AC references?? what's the connection between the games?
Ubisoft (publisher of the AC series) was heavily involved in the production of the show. Good catch on aya kissing bayek! I missed that one.
 
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Anybody have a good guess as to how much Coin Apple has spent-on / committed-to its AppleTV+ content ???

At some point down the road, I believe it ALL gets included in their SG&A expenses.

But the CFO did mention something about Amortization over time, for each TV show, at the last Earnings Call ... don't remember any details on that, however.

It appears this is going to be a BIG loss generator for quite some time.
 
Sadly, not so. I started to watch it and had to stop as soon as the ‘14-year-old’ started spouting f-words. Not family friendly. I’ve no issue with those who want to watch immature content with lots of foul language and the like. I’m just wondering why Apple has chosen to exclude a lot of us with so many family-unfriendly shows. It’s a pity.
iirc, 14-year olds tend to throw around the F-bomb quite a bit. But yeah, it depends on how old the family is.

But if you just want 100% sanitized content, Apple TV+ is definitely not for you. You will also not enjoy other channels, for instance you might also want to avoid HBO and Showtime. They all have mature content that is not appropriate for children.

But Nickelodeon, Nat Geo, Disney, Noggin are typically family friendly, and many others as well. You can also set parental controls.
 
iirc, 14-year olds tend to throw around the F-bomb quite a bit. But yeah, it depends on how old the family is.

But if you just want 100% sanitized content, Apple TV+ is definitely not for you. You will also not enjoy other channels, for instance you might also want to avoid HBO and Showtime.

But Nickelodeon, Nat Geo, Disney, Noggin are typically family friendly, and many others as well. You can also set parental controls.

I resent the appropriation of the phrase “family friendly” by those who get the vapors if they hear English four-letter words that have been used by royalty, clergy, and the common person for hundreds of years.

I’m married, have a young daughter, and I encourage her to say any word she wants as long as she isn’t in school or with her friends. And I’m pretty sure we’re a family.
 
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Sex and violence are immature?
It depends on whether you’re trying to make a passive-aggressive, holier-than-thou point that one is much too refined and mature to find such low-brow content either appropriate or entertaining.
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I resent the appropriation of the phrase “family friendly” by those who get the vapors if they hear English four-letter words that have been used by royalty, clergy, and the common person for hundreds of years.

I’m married, have a young daughter, and I encourage her to say any word she wants as long as she isn’t in school or with her friends. And I’m pretty sure we’re a family.
I keep a fainting couch at the ready for just such occasions. It’s on wheels and I can roll it in at a moment’s notice, but I’ve been known to be a few seconds late in properly positioning it. Oh well, nobody’s perfect 🤷‍♂️
 
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They watched the pilot and agreed to send it to production. They get credit for having good taste.
Apple also orders pilots. That means they pitch and determine some elements for the writers to expand upon. They write big checks but they also steer the course of all their programming just like any TV network.
 
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