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Bitrate means nothing. It's the compression settings that matter more. If anyone's used handbrake with some advanced settings, you'll know that bitrate only matters so much. I can compress a full length 2hr 1080p movie down to about 3.5gb in file size with almost no noticeable difference in picture quality unless you pixel peek overlaying the original and compressed still frames. Granted, the 3.5gb file size is typically with movies where there isn't a lot of noise/grain.

Furthermore, bitrate is absolutely a moot point when the content sucks. Given Apple's inability to produce a solid product even in their own tech market... I have ZERO confidence in Apple knowing how to make a movie or TV series.

3.5gb! love the idea of this absolute chump sitting down and watching rips that go incredibly blocky and smeary as soon as there's a vaguely dark scene and him patting himself on the back that "bitrate doesn't matter".
 
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Does it matter what the video quality is when the content blows chunks? Nope. Improve the programming quality.
 
I‘m actually pretty certain that at least certain Apple TV 4Ks have bunk network chips. I have to restart one of mine all the time to get even 1080P video to stream at all. The higher the bandwidth, the more of an issue. The upside of the 4K is that it restarts faster than the 1080P versions, but........it just works? Especially with my AC Time Capsule that I guess used to, just work? I’d be curious if others have the same issue. It always works fine on a restart, but it flakes out several times a day. A+.

Oddly, it did the same thing again last night when we went to watch The Morning Show. I'm not sure it's a streaming thing because when you choose a movie, it should take you to the info page for the movie (description, choose episode, etc.). For me, I never get to the info page. Click a movie from the main page -- spinner. I tried other shows (non-ATV+ movies) in the ATV app and they play fine. It's just ATV+ shows.

Again, click on any ATV+ new show, and spinner. Had to restart my ATV4K again and it played fine.

Oddly, we don't have any issues with any other app or streaming source on this box. Just ATV+ movies.
 
Yes there 6 Shows are well worth Watching ... oh wait.. only one is . the rest is apple trying to hire big names to make themselves look big. but yet are clearly falling far short of Amazon and Netflix.
 
Yes there 6 Shows are well worth Watching ... oh wait.. only one is . the rest is apple trying to hire big names to make themselves look big. but yet are clearly falling far short of Amazon and Netflix.
Where did you get the idea that only 1 is worth watching? I'd say 6 out of the 7 are worth watching.
 
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Correct link

While higher quality is welcomed, it's probably not great for those with capped Internet service, such as my Comcast's lousy 1TB limit.

30 Mbps translate to 13.5 GB/hour, or 75 hours.

Having said that, I am not sure these numbers are correct. Downloaded episode of For All Mankind (about an hour each) is averaging less than 3 GB for me, with 'Download HDR Video" setting turned on.

Still looks pretty great though.

If you’re downloading content to an iPhone/iPad, it will most likely be down converted to the devices approx native resolution, 720/1080. Playing a 4K video on an iPhone is a waste of data.

That said, your math was pretty much accurate for streaming, ~75 hours at 29Mbps would get you dangerously close to hitting a 1TB monthly data cap. To break that down further, that’s only ~2.5 hours of streaming a day to hit that in a month, which is easily doable for the average household. And that’s *just* streaming AppleTV+ and not factoring in any other internet activities.
 
I expect all new shows made in 2018 onwards to be 4K as standard.

A lot of older shows were never shot in 4K so it's understandable why a lot of existing content filmed pre 2017/2018 is only HD.

Yes, but why for example is Breaking Bad not in 4K on iTunes?

Amazon Prime has far better 4K TV material than iTunes which is (as far as I'm aware) non existent outside the new offerings from Apple themselves.
 
Yes, but why for example is Breaking Bad not in 4K on iTunes?

Amazon Prime has far better 4K TV material than iTunes which is (as far as I'm aware) non existent outside the new offerings from Apple themselves.

I'm sure Breaking Bad started around 2008 so it's no surprise there's no 4K version on iTunes. Maybe in time it will be re-released in 4K as long as it's done right and not a lazy upscale effort.
 
I understand that bandwidth may become a factor at a later time, but until that happens, we don't know how Apple will cope with their server infrastructure.

You’re actually confusing the technologies. It has absolutely nothing to do with server infrastructure. It has to do with the size of the segments, the compression quality of the segments, and the size of the segments. Every streaming service has to pay a cost for every bit of data that is streamed to the consumer.

So just imagine Apple becomes Netflix’s level and streams 4K with h264 compression at max quality. Their burn rate will increase dramatically much more, and it will probably be something that will hurt their profits
 
I get your point, I have a 2017 Samsung 4K TV, unfortunately only the 2019 models have the Apple TV app. The older models won’t be getting them. Sad but true.

Double check. I have a 2018 model and it got the AppleTV+ app and Airplay app on a software update in the last 6 months

Model 40UN7100

2017 Models earlier than that though, I don't know.
 
You’re actually confusing the technologies. It has absolutely nothing to do with server infrastructure. It has to do with the size of the segments, the compression quality of the segments, and the size of the segments. Every streaming service has to pay a cost for every bit of data that is streamed to the consumer.

So just imagine Apple becomes Netflix’s level and streams 4K with h264 compression at max quality. Their burn rate will increase dramatically much more, and it will probably be something that will hurt their profits

So you're saying Apple will not have the ability to ensure that they can continue to deliver ~30Mbps as demand grows? For instance by adding more servers to more locations? I find that hard to believe.
 
It’s mostly bragging rights.
What a load of BS. It’s not bragging rights to have a picture that doesn’t pixelate like crazy like it often does on HBO Now. Its a damn luxury.
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No, it looked like trash because HBO Now doesn't support HDR.
Incorrect. Having HDR won’t improve the pixelation problem HBO has. Only bitrate will.
 
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So you're saying Apple will not have the ability to ensure that they can continue to deliver ~30Mbps as demand grows? For instance by adding more servers to more locations? I find that hard to believe.

No, I am saying Apple will start to see its costs of delivering 30Mbps go up. There is a reason why some services for 4K cap out at 15-20 MBPs. It’s not because of infrastructure but because of the ROI of how much users stream vs how much return Apple gets from user acquisition value.

As demand grows, so do your costs. Infrastructure can easily be solved.
 
Bitrate means nothing. It's the compression settings that matter more. If anyone's used handbrake with some advanced settings, you'll know that bitrate only matters so much. I can compress a full length 2hr 1080p movie down to about 3.5gb in file size with almost no noticeable difference in picture quality unless you pixel peek overlaying the original and compressed still frames. Granted, the 3.5gb file size is typically with movies where there isn't a lot of noise/grain.

Furthermore, bitrate is absolutely a moot point when the content sucks. Given Apple's inability to produce a solid product even in their own tech market... I have ZERO confidence in Apple knowing how to make a movie or TV series.
You act like Phil and Tim are making TV shows. They're hiring tv/movie people to do it. :rolleyes:
 
No, I am saying Apple will start to see its costs of delivering 30Mbps go up. There is a reason why some services for 4K cap out at 15-20 MBPs. It’s not because of infrastructure but because of the ROI of how much users stream vs how much return Apple gets from user acquisition value.

As demand grows, so do your costs. Infrastructure can easily be solved.

Sure. Okay. But that wasn't the point I was making. Infrastructure, costs, call it what you will. The fact remains that we don't know what Apple will do as demand grows. They may reduce quality or they may not. It remains to be seen. And again, during the meantime, they offer a visually superior service.
 
Have you checked fast.com on your device? That’s the “Speedtest” for Netflix.
Mine does, too. We have it plugged in to the router and have 250 mbps download speed. We’ve verified the speed through the fast app and every other website and app. We actually get about 260-265. Netflix lags, even when showing trailers. Prime doesn’t nor do any of the other Apple TV apps. I’m thinking of deleting the Netflix app, then reinstalling it to see if it helps. The picture is better on Apple TV than watching through Comcast’s box.
 
I get 60 mbit/second streaming Netflix 4K. Note that this is still lower quality than an HD blu-ray, because it has 4x the resolution of the HD blu-ray but only 3x the information. This is still around 100x compression, and the still frames show it.
 
I've finally been able to utilize my ATV 4K to it's full potential recently. With the launch of ATV+ and season two of Jack Ryan both in 4K, I've certainly noticed the difference when streaming compared to, say, Netflix or Hulu shows that aren't in 4K.

Definitely very much appreciated to finally watch UHD content with my new 4K TV.
 
Netflix 4K is a sham. It's 4K just to tick a resolution box, but everything else about it is trash: bitrate, compression, and metadata.

For a night and day difference, take any 4K movie on Netflix, watch a couple chapters. Then grab a remux, play the same chapters, and you'll be shocked at what 4K should really be.
 
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