I also noticed a difference, and a noticeable one, between AppleTV+ and Netflix, and now I know why (Samsung UHD OLED TV)
Netflix 4K is a sham. It's 4K just to tick a resolution box, but everything else about it is trash: bitrate, compression, and metadata.
For a night and day difference, take any 4K movie on Netflix, watch a couple chapters. Then grab a remux, play the same chapters, and you'll be shocked at what 4K should really be.
No one cares about the stuff behind the scenes. Give me the best quality streaming I'm paying for and I won't complain.Consider how many people have Netflix already and probably streaming at the same time during peak hours, and how your ISP doing any QoS.
This is not magic.
Exactly. This is what guys like @Coconut Bean don’t understand. It’s not that black and white when it comes to “quality”.
Exactly. This is what guys like @Coconut Bean don’t understand. It’s not that black and white when it comes to “quality”.
Wait, what?? Had no idea. Thanks for the heads up, as the HBO Now quality is pretty meh. Been paying for HBO Now (previously, Go) for over two years, and didn't even know this was a thing. Or perhaps I saw it as an option on Amazon and thought, "Why would I pay for HBO through Amazon? Seems like a waste of clicks in my life." Question: if I drop Now and pay for it via Amazon, is there a separate section in the Amazon ATV app specifically for HBO? I don't love the UI of the Amazon Prime Video app, but I suppose it's as least as good as the Now app...The quality on HBO is trash. Go for HBO on Amazon Prime. The quality is far more superior.
Bitrate means nothing. It's the compression settings that matter more.
While higher quality is welcomed, it's probably not great for those with capped Internet service, such as my Comcast's lousy 1TB limit.
Bitrate means nothing. It's the compression settings that matter more. If anyone's used handbrake with some advanced settings, you'll know that bitrate only matters so much. I can compress a full length 2hr 1080p movie down to about 3.5gb in file size with almost no noticeable difference in picture quality unless you pixel peek overlaying the original and compressed still frames. Granted, the 3.5gb file size is typically with movies where there isn't a lot of noise/grain.
Furthermore, bitrate is absolutely a moot point when the content sucks. Given Apple's inability to produce a solid product even in their own tech market... I have ZERO confidence in Apple knowing how to make a movie or TV series.
Too bad the content selection is atrocious. At least, for now...
That probably means you’re not paying enough. Supply and demand. When price is low, there is shortage. Starting with your ISP, you can pay up for a dedicated business line, and maybe you’ll have less issue.No one cares about the stuff behind the scenes. Give me the best quality streaming I'm paying for and I won't complain.
Meanwhile Apple offers the lowest quality video of any service to stream your own videos
Buy an iPhone to make 4K videos + Buy iCloud to store 4K videos + Buy an Apple TV 4K to watch 4K videos = Watch your memories in 720p
Airplay them from your iPhone or MacBook - they look pretty outstanding on the Apple TV 4K!
Netflix constantly degrades for me despite a 100MB/s fiber connection.
That is not what I was speaking of. A person having a slight difference in numbers between 2 services (provided internet connection is good) is bragging rights, when there is no problem with the picture.What a load of BS. It’s not bragging rights to have a picture that doesn’t pixelate like crazy like it often does on HBO Now. Its a damn luxury.
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Incorrect. Having HDR won’t improve the pixelation problem HBO has. Only bitrate will.
That's ridiculous, they still do not allow that even with iOS/tvOS 13 and the new 11/11 Pro? I was under the impression this is a thing of the past by now.AirPlay is 1080p only. There is literally no way to watch your 4K iPhone videos on your 4K Apple TV.
Wait, what?? Had no idea. Thanks for the heads up, as the HBO Now quality is pretty meh. Been paying for HBO Now (previously, Go) for over two years, and didn't even know this was a thing. Or perhaps I saw it as an option on Amazon and thought, "Why would I pay for HBO through Amazon? Seems like a waste of clicks in my life." Question: if I drop Now and pay for it via Amazon, is there a separate section in the Amazon ATV app specifically for HBO? I don't love the UI of the Amazon Prime Video app, but I suppose it's as least as good as the Now app...
Like I said; bitrate is useless. Go high enough on a bitrate and you'll get high quality... but there's a point of diminishing returns as I've stated earlier. You only think slapping a high bitrate and nothing else seems to do the trick.
Probably...it’s terrible.That probably means you’re not paying enough. Supply and demand. When price is low, there is shortage. Starting with your ISP, you can pay up for a dedicated business line, and maybe you’ll have less issue.
Yeah, tons of devices...it is what it is.Shared with anybody? Over wifi? Many devices? And which cartel do you get your bandwidth from? It could, of course, be anything, now. There's no net neutrality any more. Maybe your cable is throttling. That's okay now. I hope the 5G/WiFi6 gateway/router really hurts the cables. Get rid of cable TV.
4K BDs can hit 110mbit. They are totally unmatched for quality. Plus they have Dolby True HD audio.
Netflix 4K is a sham. It's 4K just to tick a resolution box, but everything else about it is trash: bitrate, compression, and metadata.
For a night and day difference, take any 4K movie on Netflix, watch a couple chapters. Then grab a remux, play the same chapters, and you'll be shocked at what 4K should really be.
Apple's TV content is output 29Mbps, it has Dolby and HDR. my TV literally says HDR content playing and it looks better than the DEMO content that Best Buy for example shows to showcase their TVs in the stores
Yes there 6 Shows are well worth Watching ... oh wait.. only one is . the rest is apple trying to hire big names to make themselves look big. but yet are clearly falling far short of Amazon and Netflix.
Man, I really wish MacRumors would bring back the downvote button so people would know how incorrect this is.