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I also noticed a difference, and a noticeable one, between AppleTV+ and Netflix, and now I know why (Samsung UHD OLED TV)
 
Netflix 4K is a sham. It's 4K just to tick a resolution box, but everything else about it is trash: bitrate, compression, and metadata.

For a night and day difference, take any 4K movie on Netflix, watch a couple chapters. Then grab a remux, play the same chapters, and you'll be shocked at what 4K should really be.

I actually grew so tired of Netflix 4K that I 'downgraded' my package from UHD to HD and get better image quality. Something about the colour and brightness in Netflix UHD content is seriously wonky. in the Apple TV app at least.
 
Consider how many people have Netflix already and probably streaming at the same time during peak hours, and how your ISP doing any QoS.
This is not magic.
No one cares about the stuff behind the scenes. Give me the best quality streaming I'm paying for and I won't complain.
 
Exactly. This is what guys like @Coconut Bean don’t understand. It’s not that black and white when it comes to “quality”.
Exactly. This is what guys like @Coconut Bean don’t understand. It’s not that black and white when it comes to “quality”.

Just because something is subjective or fuzzy doesn't mean there is no way to establish a ranking order. Humans are notoriously bad at ordering between sound quality of earphones, temperature or weight of stones on an individual basis.

We can be fairly sure that on the basis of sound quality the airpods are not the best choice. Simply because there are hundreds of competing products within the same segment or below and some of them will be better.

We can also be fairly sure that for most people the airpods will be the best sounding earphones they ever owned, as this price range used to be less popular and after all the airpods do have a good sound quality.

Again, amazing products, but not because they sound the best, but because availability, convenience and brand recognition.
 
The quality on HBO is trash. Go for HBO on Amazon Prime. The quality is far more superior.
Wait, what?? Had no idea. Thanks for the heads up, as the HBO Now quality is pretty meh. Been paying for HBO Now (previously, Go) for over two years, and didn't even know this was a thing. Or perhaps I saw it as an option on Amazon and thought, "Why would I pay for HBO through Amazon? Seems like a waste of clicks in my life." Question: if I drop Now and pay for it via Amazon, is there a separate section in the Amazon ATV app specifically for HBO? I don't love the UI of the Amazon Prime Video app, but I suppose it's as least as good as the Now app...
 
Bitrate means nothing. It's the compression settings that matter more.

I cannot take advice from anyone who says "bitrate means nothing." Bitrate and compression work in tandem. They both matter. A lot.
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While higher quality is welcomed, it's probably not great for those with capped Internet service, such as my Comcast's lousy 1TB limit.

I upgraded to their xfi modem/router and they gave me free unlimited bandwidth. Not throttled at all. I used my own modem and router for years because I refused to lease but an extra $15 a month for unlimited downloads changed my mind.

It's actually a pretty solid unit. But I miss my Airport Extreme so much. :(
 
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Bitrate means nothing. It's the compression settings that matter more. If anyone's used handbrake with some advanced settings, you'll know that bitrate only matters so much. I can compress a full length 2hr 1080p movie down to about 3.5gb in file size with almost no noticeable difference in picture quality unless you pixel peek overlaying the original and compressed still frames. Granted, the 3.5gb file size is typically with movies where there isn't a lot of noise/grain.

Furthermore, bitrate is absolutely a moot point when the content sucks. Given Apple's inability to produce a solid product even in their own tech market... I have ZERO confidence in Apple knowing how to make a movie or TV series.

This goes to show you don't know anything about PQ apart from what you have read on wikipedia and have not actually seen any of the shows apart from reading reviews on Rottentomatoes

1. if you actually see the shows, you can clearly tell on a 4K television that this is the highest PQ for any streaming service and I have used them all. the PQ is even higher than iTunes 4K content.
2. the audience reactions to the television shows is vastly different from the reviews. most of the people who have seen the show and writing reviews on it on twitter and other social media forums love almost all the shows apart from see and even that some are enthralled by the campy nature of it.

Apple's TV content is output 29Mbps, it has Dolby and HDR. my TV literally says HDR content playing and it looks better than the DEMO content that Best Buy for example shows to showcase their TVs in the stores
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Too bad the content selection is atrocious. At least, for now...

says the person who has not seen the show and only read Reviews
 
No one cares about the stuff behind the scenes. Give me the best quality streaming I'm paying for and I won't complain.
That probably means you’re not paying enough. Supply and demand. When price is low, there is shortage. Starting with your ISP, you can pay up for a dedicated business line, and maybe you’ll have less issue.
 
Meanwhile Apple offers the lowest quality video of any service to stream your own videos

Buy an iPhone to make 4K videos + Buy iCloud to store 4K videos + Buy an Apple TV 4K to watch 4K videos = Watch your memories in 720p

Airplay them from your iPhone or MacBook - they look pretty outstanding on the Apple TV 4K!
 
Leave it to Apple to always use the best! Just like their music streaming service does! Thanks Tim!!!
 
Netflix constantly degrades for me despite a 100MB/s fiber connection.

Shared with anybody? Over wifi? Many devices? And which cartel do you get your bandwidth from? It could, of course, be anything, now. There's no net neutrality any more. Maybe your cable is throttling. That's okay now. I hope the 5G/WiFi6 gateway/router really hurts the cables. Get rid of cable TV.
 
just watched the opening episode of Dickinson. A real compression buster! Lots of very dark, murky scenes. Yet it still looks fabulous, with bottomless blacks, fine shadow detail, and no banding or smearing. Netflix or Amazon would implode trying to display those scenes. It's virtually UHD Blu-ray quality.

Dickinson is also another great show. Apple TV+ knocked it out of the park for quality and content. Long may it continue with more shows, and feature length movies. All for five pounds per month 😎
 
What a load of BS. It’s not bragging rights to have a picture that doesn’t pixelate like crazy like it often does on HBO Now. Its a damn luxury.
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Incorrect. Having HDR won’t improve the pixelation problem HBO has. Only bitrate will.
That is not what I was speaking of. A person having a slight difference in numbers between 2 services (provided internet connection is good) is bragging rights, when there is no problem with the picture.
 
AirPlay is 1080p only. There is literally no way to watch your 4K iPhone videos on your 4K Apple TV.
That's ridiculous, they still do not allow that even with iOS/tvOS 13 and the new 11/11 Pro? I was under the impression this is a thing of the past by now.

There‘s just no excuse for this. So it's a deliberate limitation, as by now everything is way faster than such a stream would require.
 
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Wait, what?? Had no idea. Thanks for the heads up, as the HBO Now quality is pretty meh. Been paying for HBO Now (previously, Go) for over two years, and didn't even know this was a thing. Or perhaps I saw it as an option on Amazon and thought, "Why would I pay for HBO through Amazon? Seems like a waste of clicks in my life." Question: if I drop Now and pay for it via Amazon, is there a separate section in the Amazon ATV app specifically for HBO? I don't love the UI of the Amazon Prime Video app, but I suppose it's as least as good as the Now app...

It’s like a channel. You go to it and all the hbo content will be there. It’s pretty easy to use.
 
Like I said; bitrate is useless. Go high enough on a bitrate and you'll get high quality... but there's a point of diminishing returns as I've stated earlier. You only think slapping a high bitrate and nothing else seems to do the trick.

I think this article has an unfortunate headline, because obviously better compression is preferable, especially while we wait for fiber to become ubiquitous and people still have to pay when they go over their data caps, but the takeaway for me from this article is that Apple's platform is capable of delivering at these higher bitrates, so as compression continues to get better, they will be better able to deliver future technologies like 8k, multiple angles, and VR.
 
That probably means you’re not paying enough. Supply and demand. When price is low, there is shortage. Starting with your ISP, you can pay up for a dedicated business line, and maybe you’ll have less issue.
Probably...it’s terrible.
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Shared with anybody? Over wifi? Many devices? And which cartel do you get your bandwidth from? It could, of course, be anything, now. There's no net neutrality any more. Maybe your cable is throttling. That's okay now. I hope the 5G/WiFi6 gateway/router really hurts the cables. Get rid of cable TV.
Yeah, tons of devices...it is what it is.
 
4K BDs can hit 110mbit. They are totally unmatched for quality. Plus they have Dolby True HD audio.

True, but they’re not very practical for an on demand video streaming service ;)

In practical terms, Apple TV+ gets surprisingply close to UHD Blu-ray, even in challenging scenes. Whereas rival services are a million miles away in comparison.
 
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Netflix 4K is a sham. It's 4K just to tick a resolution box, but everything else about it is trash: bitrate, compression, and metadata.

For a night and day difference, take any 4K movie on Netflix, watch a couple chapters. Then grab a remux, play the same chapters, and you'll be shocked at what 4K should really be.

4K is primarily a marketing term. The hype that got most of you to believe in is that 4K content encoded at low variable bitrate is as good as 1080p content encoded at high variable bitrate. Focus group studies show that people believe more pixels on a screen matter more than higher bitrate.

It will be interesting to see if Apple grew its library and audiences to as large as Netflix if they can keep streaming 25-30 Mbps

Apple's TV content is output 29Mbps, it has Dolby and HDR. my TV literally says HDR content playing and it looks better than the DEMO content that Best Buy for example shows to showcase their TVs in the stores

Your biggest mistake is using Best Buy DEMO content as your content comparison ;)
 
Yes there 6 Shows are well worth Watching ... oh wait.. only one is . the rest is apple trying to hire big names to make themselves look big. but yet are clearly falling far short of Amazon and Netflix.

I very much enjoyed for all man kind and see
 
Man, I really wish MacRumors would bring back the downvote button so people would know how incorrect this is.

It is so wrong I consider flagging it. Generally speaking MacRumours isn't exactly a place for any technical discussion, whether that is Hardware or Software, but then people read MacRumours forum and take everything people said or reported as fact.

I do wonder how is Apple going to handle the traffic. And if they are serving this *only* via their CDN.
 
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