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I don't believe it would be too limited at all, for the sorts of apps you'd want on an AppleTV. It's perfectly possible to design a good UI with seven buttons, and that seems like a perfectly good design constraint for Apple to put on AppleTV apps. Otherwise, you end up with the monstrous carbuncle that is Google TV, and nobody wants that...
Yes, you can think of a couple of additional apps that you could control with the AppleTV remote. But look at the 400000+ iPhone apps, only a very tiny proportion of them would work fine with a 7-button remote.
 
Well nobody's iTunes library is getting smaller. Here is my setup (currently running off a Mac Pro)

Backup Configuration

2 TB -- Main iTunes Library (only 300GB free, getting scary!)
2 TB -- Replica of my main iTunes Library (Chronosync runs every night)
1.5 TB -- External iTunes Music & TV Shows Backup (Chronosync runs nightly)
1.5 TB -- External iTunes Music & Movies Backup (Chronosync runs nightly)

So my Music is backed up in 3 places, my movies and tv shows are backed up twice...I would like everything to have 3 backups but just not in the cards right now. I will probably get the Promise Pegasus R4 either 4TB or 6TB when I get some money to eliminate the need for all these external HD's. I was going to get a Drobo but have heard horror stories of people losing 1 drive and it craters the whole damn Drobo. I will wait 6mo to read reviews of the pegasus...and even then I will probably still have another drive replicated with all my data. almost 2TB in iTunes I cannot risk losing that....WAYYYY to much time will be lost.

Anyone buy the Pegasus yet?

And in case of fire/flood/theft?

Just curious if you have a plan for that?
 
An App Store COULD happen. Though with iPad mirroring coming down the pipeline, I don't see the need (personally) for yet another App Store. I don't think I want to buy Angry Birds AGAIN. Mac, iPad, iPhone...when does it end?

I don't think the hardware needs much updating, like what everyone else is saying. 720p vs 1080p is really not a large enough difference to warrant a whole new device. I'd love to see Pandora streaming, and I think that's a real possibility. But I would not hold my breath for Amazon streaming, as awesome as it would be. The two companies are increasingly in direct competition with one another, from books, to music, to films, to television, and soon enough, to tablets. I just highly doubt they will build a competing service into their device. It provides a cheaper alternative to renting shows on iTunes via Apple TV.

People - stop apologizing for Apple. They are *so* close with this one, and it's within their grasp to give everyone what they want:
  • Stronger HW for 1080p and other items (A5)
  • Freed from a computer running iTunes
  • A USB (or other) port that can actually be used for data access
  • 3rd Party Apps

It should all happen... and happen NOW. (I'm getting so tired of waiting.)
 
The fact you need two boxes is a big minus point in my eyes. If Boxee can do all these things, why can't Apple TV? Although, having said that, I guess it can if jailbroken...

Agreed. The Boxee is superior in many ways (even the remote is made of win), but it does not handle music well, and there's no DLNA function. If Boxee added those two capabilities, or ATV was opened up to allow sideloading of media, I'd be able to scrap one or the other. But the sad truth is, no one STB does everything well. Even the MacMini means I don't get the simple ATV UI.

If someone gave me a box with a simple, streamlined UI that allowed me to stream my sideloaded ripped content, install apps, watch Netflix, stream rented movies and TV, all in a virtually invisible and silent device that I can control with my Harmony One: I would pay handsomely for that. In the meantime, I'm stuck with 3 devices to accomplish one goal. (Which, since I DO have a Harmony one, is really not a concern. It's not like I have to go fishing for remotes if I want to go from the PS3 to the ATV to the STB and so on and so on...except for Boxee's RF, of course.)
 
It's really lacking in features for those of us outside the US & Canada.

If it ever gets iPlayer and the other UK catch-up services I'll get one. LOVEFiLM Player would also make it more worthwhile but at the moment it's just too limited.

With you on iPlayer. The only thing I actually need/want extra on my ATV.
 
Not true...it only streams video content that can be PLAYED on appletv. Unless you want to spend hours converting a majority of your videos, the appletv has a long way to go.
I have no videos to convert, all my videos are created as h.264. I simply convert all video upon importing into h.264, the converting is part of the importing process for me. Even when you rip a DVD, you don't get a single video file, meaning you have to convert it anyway.
 
People - stop apologizing for Apple. They are *so* close with this one, and it's within their grasp to give everyone what they want:
  • Stronger HW for 1080p and other items (A5)
  • Freed from a computer running iTunes
  • A USB (or other) port that can actually be used for data access
  • 3rd Party Apps

It should all happen... and happen NOW. (I'm getting so tired of waiting.)

Get a popcorn hour. It does all of those things, plus so much more.
 
No App Store, no Apple TV... for me at least.
I don't watch sports, I don't use the iTunes Store, and I don't use Netflix.
Currently, I see the Apple TV as a device that does a finite set of things that are of no benefit to me.

Not like they care. I'm sure they well know I'll just wind up spending my "Apple TV money" toward some other Apple product anyway.
 
As a non-Apple TV owner, the only thing right now that makes it appealing to me is AirPlay and the ability to stream my music (currently in iTunes on my computer) to my home theater system. A $99 Apple TV is far cheaper than a new wi-fi enabled or AirPlay capable audio receiver.
 
The Apple TV is useless in all the countries that don't have an iTunes Store.

Im from Colombia. Netflix announced it will enter all Latin America and the Caribbean a couple of weeks ago. That's enough as an excuse for purchasing an AppleTV here. In fact, I have an AppleTV in my room, mostly for music streaming and for the ocassional movie watching (ripped dvds that I store or rented movies from the USA store) and I love it.

As soon the studios notice that Netflix demand is strong here in Colombia (and the rest of Latin America) when it's running, they will let Apple implement movie rentals in this part of the world.

Of course, this is my sole opinion and I can be totally wrong.
 
As a non Apple person. AppleTV has close to no appeal.

Apple TV 3, could be a killer product if:

1: A5-A6 processor ( pretty much a give for ATV-3)
2: Apps!
3: USB to play movies from attached storage.

Do that and I will buy one. But a streaming only box. I have no interest in at all.

They should do this soon, before Google eventually gets Google TV right.
 
Too much stuff going on this year for Apple.

Best wait for the prices of the A5 and SSD to go down so that an A5, 16Gig version can come in at $99, for streaming 1080 as well has handle Apps from the App Store... ;)

Also add more USB functionality.

Gives also Game Develops to tap into Blue Tooth Controllers paired with it... :D
 
As a non Apple person. AppleTV has close to no appeal.

Apple TV 3, could be a killer product if:

1: A5-A6 processor ( pretty much a give for ATV-3)
2: Apps!
3: USB to play movies from attached storage.

Do that and I will buy one. But a streaming only box. I have no interest in at all.

They should do this soon, before Google eventually gets Google TV right.

Yep. As much as I'd hate to admit it, the Google TV is supposed to gain apps in "late summer" (like next month). If it does this, I might actually have to buy one.
 
And in case of fire/flood/theft?

Just curious if you have a plan for that?

Why did you have to give me a panic attack today? :) I was TOTALLY happy with my backup situation...now I am going to be headed to the bank to open up a safe deposit box and have a 2TB external HD in there that I have backed up on the first of every month.

Thanks! I was doing fine until now...:)...all in good fun, thanks for bringing that to my attention as I spaced it on that one.
 
Off site (cloud) backup for irreplaceable files like photos, certain docs, and home owners insurance for the rest.

Yeah but you have an iTunes library of 2TB (just about), and another 60-80GB in data....thats a pretty hefty price to have it backed up in the cloud. Or is there a cheap service? I haven't really priced it so I shouldn't talk like that...
 
Off site (cloud) backup for irreplaceable files like photos, certain docs, and home owners insurance for the rest.

For documents/photos - sure. But for 2TB of music and video? Not practical. And if the videos that I spent 2 months ripping were lost - I wouldn't care about the insurance because a) I don't think I'd have the patience to re-rip everything AFTER having to try and buy everything that was lost. And quite a few items I have aren't for sale anymore.
 
I love my ATV2.

One thing that would make me love it more is if it were able to access networked hard drives. Having to always have a computer on with iTunes open is the one thing I dislike.

A recent Mac in sleep mode barely sips power (nightlight-level power consumption), so I don't mind having my Mac always sleeping o allow for more efficient streaming than I'd get from a networked hard drive (not more efficient streaming of the data bits themselves, but of the meta-data associated with my library of movies).

Personally, I'd be more interested in Apple divorcing iTunes Server from iTunes App so I don't have to have the latter up and running on my iMac unless I'm actually listening to music, and the many updates to iTunes App don't require me to tell the kids their movie is going to pause for a few minutes while iTunes is brought down, updated, and restarted.
 
Doesn't iOS 5 allow for mirroring ANYTHING to the apple tv? Why would I need a dedicated apple tv app store when I'd already be able to mirror anything from my iPad screen to my television.

Apple can't just throw an app store onto the apple tv. If they did, they'd have to redesign the remote that comes with it, which would likely include some kind of multitouch technology and cost $50+ for the remote alone. Right now there just isn't a way to do that AND keep the cost of the apple tv down. They tried selling the apple tv once at a premium rate, and it failed. The whole reason it's a hit now is because they brought the price down. It's a great impulse buy for apple store shoppers.

Is the device missing some features? Maybe. But at $100 it's a compelling product, it does what most people want, and it's small enough to take with you if you want to use it as a great companion for your other iOS devices.
 
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That's because the next Apple TV .... will be a TV. ;)

Please God No.

I update TVs every 15+ years (I've had our current main set for 9). My 3-year-old AppleTV is near the end of its lifetime (not because it doesn't work great, but because I'd like the features of the newer version). I could not imagine wanting today's AppleTV features even a decade from now. Scratch that: even five years from now.

This is also why I'd never buy an integrated GoogleTV unless I had no choice whatsoever: in a few years it is just a bunch of circuitry I'm more inclined to work around than to use. It's a customer-antagonistic little bender the TV industry is on, hoping they can move consumers into a short-term replacement cycle for television sets. Don't buy into it.
 
How if they're on close-out?

On close-out? Oh, you mean the price drop to $99 thing, the second factor that's making me consider it. I'd never pay $250 for one, but since they're lowering the price to $99, that changes things.
Doesn't iOS 5 allow for mirroring ANYTHING to the apple tv? Why would I need a dedicated apple tv app store when I'd already be able to mirror anything from my iPad screen to my television.

Apple can't just throw an app store onto the apple tv. If they did, they'd have to redesign the remote that comes with it, which would likely include some kind of multitouch technology and cost $50+ for the remote alone. Right now there just isn't a way to do that AND keep the cost of the apple tv down. They tried selling the apple tv once at a premium rate, and it failed. The whole reason it's a hit now is because they brought the price down. It's a great impulse buy for apple store shoppers.

Is the device missing some features? Maybe. But at $100 it's a compelling product, it does what most people want, and it's small enough to take with you if you want to use it as a great companion for your other iOS devices.

I don't get the hype over this whole AirPlay mirroring thing. It's just a glorified VNC client. I wouldn't have bought my iPad if its only functionality were the ability to VNC to my Mac. And why should I buy an Apple TV, if its only functionality is (essentially) to VNC to my iPad.

Disclaimer: I realize AirPlay uses a proprietary protocol and not VNC, but it does the exact same thing. I'm merely using VNC as an example.
 
The average Mac costs about 15-20 times more, so I don't see how there is an analogy. Compare it to the number of iPod shuffles that Apple sold 1 year after its introduction, like 5 years ago. And you see how this is not a success.

I never said it was a success.

I said it was amazing to see Apple go from a company that sells 500,000 of one thing to millions and millions of many different kinds of things. That's an amazing change.

I'm pretty sure something can be amazing without being "an analogy."
 
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