well this isn't good, especially for those that were looking forward to picking one up.
but hey, good things come to those who wait
but hey, good things come to those who wait
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Apple TV Shipments Pushed to March
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My shipping date is still Feb 28, but now my date for me to get it is March 1(up from March 6th)
I think its because Apple gave me a HDMI-DVI cable, they let me keep it and overnighed the Component ones I ordered, plus the update all the other item to overnight shipping(or so it seems)
I Love Apple!!
I think its because Apple gave me a HDMI-DVI cable, they let me keep it and overnighed the Component ones I ordered, plus the update all the other item to overnight shipping(or so it seems)
I Love Apple!!
They probiably pushed the shipping date back in the hope they could get a few more orders and then ship the whole AppleTV consignment in one transit van. 
Seriously.. AppleTV is weak.. push it back to March 2017, no one is gonna care!
Seriously.. AppleTV is weak.. push it back to March 2017, no one is gonna care!
The 2-20 date was a rumor.
The stated date for FIRST shipments was always 2-28.
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Impact of Apple TV
I recently received my new airport extreme and after seamlessly setting it up I began to realize the impact that Apple TV will have once it's installed. First of all you can connect up to 3 USB devices to even include a USB hub - imagine the possibilites for storage. Secondly it's fast - as soon as I wake my iMac G5 from sleep the drive is mounted on the desktop. I played a video TS folder from one of my DVD's on the external hard drive and it played smoothly. Now consider using Apple TV from your living room's HDTV using your Apple Remote. The possibilities are limitless - movie storage without DVD's, music, GAMES (from iTunes Store) photo slide shows, whatever.
This is going to be big - now all that needs to be done is to incorporate some sort of TiVO funtionality. Perhaps some solution using an interface such as Elgato TV would work well. Keep in mind that they'll probaly be software upgrades as well as hardware add on's for this device.
This is only the beginning. I believe that Apple TV will be bigger than the iPod but maybe not as big as the iPhone.
I recently received my new airport extreme and after seamlessly setting it up I began to realize the impact that Apple TV will have once it's installed. First of all you can connect up to 3 USB devices to even include a USB hub - imagine the possibilites for storage. Secondly it's fast - as soon as I wake my iMac G5 from sleep the drive is mounted on the desktop. I played a video TS folder from one of my DVD's on the external hard drive and it played smoothly. Now consider using Apple TV from your living room's HDTV using your Apple Remote. The possibilities are limitless - movie storage without DVD's, music, GAMES (from iTunes Store) photo slide shows, whatever.
This is going to be big - now all that needs to be done is to incorporate some sort of TiVO funtionality. Perhaps some solution using an interface such as Elgato TV would work well. Keep in mind that they'll probaly be software upgrades as well as hardware add on's for this device.
This is only the beginning. I believe that Apple TV will be bigger than the iPod but maybe not as big as the iPhone.
No arguments on anything you say here ... Do you think the current Handbrake DVD rips (I use double pass H264 at high bit rate now) will do justice to Apple TV and a large HD screen? I wonder if we will need a better solution, something able to create 720p maybe? Any thoughts?
I have the same design plans as yourself but I am trying to figure out how to keep my new Apple Extreme and Apple TV (when they arrive) seperate from my existing 802.11g network yet be able to have the two networks talk to each other. We have too much equipment with 11g to stop using (MacBook, iBook, FiOS router etc) but I have read enough to now realize I have to isolate the 11n network or it is dragged down to 11g speeds. Have you though this one through yet?
Re Push back date ... Maybe to coincide with one big roll out of Leopard too
Good points, shame iTV only supports Apple media / content.
Had Apple supported other media types then iTV would have been far far more useful.
Had Apple supported other media types then iTV would have been far far more useful.
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Exactly. That's the main reason I'm not buying it just now. There's no way of transferring the surround sound track from you DVDs to you computer. I wouldn't mind this either if there was a rental model for movies and TV shows on the iTunes Store. Of course, those of us outside the US have to wait until movies and TV shows are even available first.
Don't forget, it doesn't support surround sound either
Exactly. That's the main reason I'm not buying it just now. There's no way of transferring the surround sound track from you DVDs to you computer. I wouldn't mind this either if there was a rental model for movies and TV shows on the iTunes Store. Of course, those of us outside the US have to wait until movies and TV shows are even available first.
Not sure what you mean ... ? When Handbrake is finished you have a movie on your desktop or where ever you chose to save it and it plays.
Does Apple have a rental plan in mind?
Last month I got 27 movies through Netflix for $18 and 59 through blockbuster for $18 (love there exchange program) both seem to be making money, just checked there EPS. What does not allow Apple to stream these to us as unlimited rentals for $14.99 or $19.99 a month? The only thing missing is the DVD and the cost of mailing and the distribution centers. Certainly the cost of bandwidth is less expense then the cost of physically mailing a DVD out!?!? I would change my mind and buy this Apple TV if this was a possibillity.
Last month I got 27 movies through Netflix for $18 and 59 through blockbuster for $18 (love there exchange program) both seem to be making money, just checked there EPS. What does not allow Apple to stream these to us as unlimited rentals for $14.99 or $19.99 a month? The only thing missing is the DVD and the cost of mailing and the distribution centers. Certainly the cost of bandwidth is less expense then the cost of physically mailing a DVD out!?!? I would change my mind and buy this Apple TV if this was a possibillity.
while conceptually I don't disagree with Padriac and those others who view the ATV as useful, I do have some questions.
As to music, I am not sure what the ATV adds to anything here. I already have it entirely available from iTunes and on my main hifi system via A/X. What would the ATV add to that, apart from having to have to TV on to access it ? pretty uninteresting to me, I don't want my tv on when listening to music.
As to DVDs, are you sure we can ripp them and have them accessible from our iTunes library ? How painful is the process anyway ? I personally find this very little interesting because: unlike music, I only view a movie once (99% of the times, there are exceptions obviously), so having movies on my hard drives adds close to nothing. Kids' DVD are another exception yes. Nonetheless, uncomparable to music where we may access the same songs many many times within short/long periods of time. And again, ripping DVDs seems quite a nightmare to me (but please let me know otherwise !!!! this could be just my ignorance). Lastly if we wanted to do the same with DVDs as we do with music we'd need huge storage space (I know, it is fairly unexpensive these days) which is not entirely practical.
Also, are we sure that we can rip a DVD and then access it via ATV ?
Now, having said all of the above, I can't wait to have this ATV thing. The reason is mostly the ability to watch straight and simply material from the iTunes store as I believe that more and more of it will be available there and, as importantly, I cannot stand regular TV (cable crap..).
I do consider the ability to watch HD stuff very very important. And that is a significan limitation for now, obvioulsy linked to the fact that the ITS does not offer any of that. Yet. I am convinced that that will come, just a matter of time. For now I will be watching HD material with my HD DVD player.
As to music, I am not sure what the ATV adds to anything here. I already have it entirely available from iTunes and on my main hifi system via A/X. What would the ATV add to that, apart from having to have to TV on to access it ? pretty uninteresting to me, I don't want my tv on when listening to music.
As to DVDs, are you sure we can ripp them and have them accessible from our iTunes library ? How painful is the process anyway ? I personally find this very little interesting because: unlike music, I only view a movie once (99% of the times, there are exceptions obviously), so having movies on my hard drives adds close to nothing. Kids' DVD are another exception yes. Nonetheless, uncomparable to music where we may access the same songs many many times within short/long periods of time. And again, ripping DVDs seems quite a nightmare to me (but please let me know otherwise !!!! this could be just my ignorance). Lastly if we wanted to do the same with DVDs as we do with music we'd need huge storage space (I know, it is fairly unexpensive these days) which is not entirely practical.
Also, are we sure that we can rip a DVD and then access it via ATV ?
Now, having said all of the above, I can't wait to have this ATV thing. The reason is mostly the ability to watch straight and simply material from the iTunes store as I believe that more and more of it will be available there and, as importantly, I cannot stand regular TV (cable crap..).
I do consider the ability to watch HD stuff very very important. And that is a significan limitation for now, obvioulsy linked to the fact that the ITS does not offer any of that. Yet. I am convinced that that will come, just a matter of time. For now I will be watching HD material with my HD DVD player.
Apple TV shipping date to Canada
Ships by: Feb 28
Delivers by: Mar 7
That's what my order said since day 1 (ordered about 3 minutes after the store went back online).
I can't wait to have access to TV shows in Canada so I can drop my digital cable (35$CAD/month and I only follow about 4-5 shows at most, that is if the channels don't move them around).
Ships by: Feb 28
Delivers by: Mar 7
That's what my order said since day 1 (ordered about 3 minutes after the store went back online).
I can't wait to have access to TV shows in Canada so I can drop my digital cable (35$CAD/month and I only follow about 4-5 shows at most, that is if the channels don't move them around).
I'm not quite sure why anyone is surprised at this...how often has Apple hardware actually made it into the hands of people on time. Software they are good at making dates, hardware...hardly.
I think you'll eventually see surround sound on the unit. The iTunes store will eventually go HD (the 720p ability of the unit is just begging for it) and I can't see them doing 720p in stereo. That's just weird to me.
As far as the Divx/Xvid thing . . . I don't know, I convert every video I have on my mac to mp4. It just makes more sense. It works right in quicktime, h.264 provides amazing quality, and it smoothly integrates itself into my ipod and itunes. As far as I'm concerned, divx (and more so xvid) are big only because of the piracy community. They're a bit buggy, and they certainly don't work "out of the box." If you're legit-ly ripping stuff from your own dvds, there's a ton of mac tools that use mp4. I'm not sure why you'd bothering using anything else.
As far as the Divx/Xvid thing . . . I don't know, I convert every video I have on my mac to mp4. It just makes more sense. It works right in quicktime, h.264 provides amazing quality, and it smoothly integrates itself into my ipod and itunes. As far as I'm concerned, divx (and more so xvid) are big only because of the piracy community. They're a bit buggy, and they certainly don't work "out of the box." If you're legit-ly ripping stuff from your own dvds, there's a ton of mac tools that use mp4. I'm not sure why you'd bothering using anything else.
I think you actually mean H.264 (MPEG-4, Part 10), but H.264 also supports multiple channels of audio and the right hardware could transcode the output to AC-3 on the fly... though that depends.
The Dolby DP-569 Multichannel Encoder is used for broadcast transcoding of AC-3 on the fly but it costs about $3000. I don't know of any software transcoders short of that work without bouncing to disk first... except perhaps Dolby Media Producer (an $11,000 bundle). But who knows... the point is, in principle, the hardware and software being used CAN support AC-3.
As for the folks who keep pissing and moaning about no DivX. DivX is inferior to H.264 in every conceivable way. It's not a near-lossless codec with extremely high compression. At 20mbps 1280x720, 30fps, it's pretty much maxed out... and doesn't actually support true 720p/60. H.264 does support 720p/60 at a 20mbps bitstream in its baseline, extended and main profiles. But that's just getting started. H.264's highest level supports 4:4:4 lossless HD compression at 2k theatrical exhibition resolution (4096x2048 @ 30fps) at 240mbps bitstream.
The overwhelming reason people are begging for DivX is because that's widely supported by the P2P (i.e. piracy) community. I refuse to support piracy not on any legal or ethical grounds, but rather on the grounds that support of piracy gives RIAA/MPAA armament to lobby congress to pass stupid legislation like the DMCA (passed into law as 17 USC 12) and the PERFORM Act.... both of which are aimed squarely at protecting the distro monopolies of RIAA/MPAA and effectively killing internet distribution. I normally am not a first mover on most technologies, but AppleTV is one I will support because I think it's critical to show independent film makers and recording artists that the internet is their ticket to commercially-viable distribution without ascribing to indentured servitude of the record industry and motion picture industry's collective fiefdom.
99% sure. Handbrake ripped as H264 should do the trick. I am just hoping for 720p and suround sound abilities added to the likes of Handbrake in the near future.
and yes, obviously as many have pointed out, there's nothing whatsoever relevant about this "rumor" on shipping dates. Fortunately most of discussion indeed has been about the product rather than shipping dates
Ships when ? who cares .... nothing has changed since the very announcement. And even if it did, big deal.
Ships when ? who cares .... nothing has changed since the very announcement. And even if it did, big deal.
just to clarify: there is not thing such as legitly ripping stuff.... ripping a dvd is illegal, no matter if you own the original copy or not, circumventing the copy protection is illegal all by itself, same thing goes for cds if they are copy protected. And besides that, divx works perfectly on windows, it's only a bit buggy on mac os. And also I don't feel like having to convert every file into another format, it's just work, apple tv should be able to stream any media mac os x can playback, and leaving divx out of the game is one more reason for me not to buy it (besides the facts that it has no surround sound capabilities and no movie downloads outside the us) which is really a shame because I would like being able to stream everything into my living room, well who knows maybe in a later revision.
Just get a credit card with a U.S. billing address! Surely you have a friend or relative's address you could use to get the card, then set up online only statemente.
I'd be closer to buying into the dump cable for iTunes idea if iTunes had 1. My Name is Earl, 2. Sports events, and 3. not such a long delay to get the content after it airs.
Digitalclips, thanks for the info. I had read in this thread for the first time about this app, handbrake. I will check it out.
Now, even if you have the ability to encode at 720p, it won't be very useful with ATV though, at least for now. Are you thinking of ripping, whenever the app will be capable of, HD material ? what sources ? i am afraid (but do not know it) that it may be a very cumbersome, time consuming operation.
Now, even if you have the ability to encode at 720p, it won't be very useful with ATV though, at least for now. Are you thinking of ripping, whenever the app will be capable of, HD material ? what sources ? i am afraid (but do not know it) that it may be a very cumbersome, time consuming operation.