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Apple TV tvOS Simulator Shown Running in 4K Resolution
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720p if you're playing them on your phone, but for most other things, 1080p should be the baseline IMO.
And as for older movies, it's actually many of the older movies that are prime for 4K remastering. Older movies are shot on film, and some of 35 mm ones can provide up to about 6-8K resolution. If it's IMAX, the quality is even greater. Some have quoted up to 18K in fact.
BTW, The Dark Knight Trilogy is being remastered in 4K, and it should be perfect for this, as it is shot on 35 mm and IMAX.
Whether this translates to 4K streaming quality is a different question, but it's likely that once the remastered 4K version is available in a streaming version, it will be significantly improved over the quality of 1080p streaming versions out right now.
Watch PART 2 of these videos from cinematographer Steve Yedlin (Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Looper, Carrie).
PART 2 is a MUST SEE for everyone who claims to see a difference between 2K and 4K on their TV.
Yes, and please make sure to listen to the conclusion
"The dominant narrative seems to be, whatever size we are mastering for, the camera has to have higher pixel count than the display format....I actually think thats a problematic way of thinking about it. It makes more sense that displays have more pixels than cameras."
This poster continues to ignore quotes from the video that he is posting which contradict their personal opinion,
Thats because when it's in 1080p its upconverting the image. Its the same reason if you watch SD programming on and HD TV it looks worse than watching SD on an SD TV. 1080p is not its native display for which you are playing your game.
That's not true.
With a good upscaler, generally it will make a SD source on an HDTV look better than an SD source on an SDTV of the same same size.
The problem is that a lot of lower end TVs have crappy upscalers.
Ok why don't you go explain your answer to the guys on AVSForum, and see the answer the give you.
It's called "not wanting to admit you might not be correct".
People choose the weirdest hills to die on.
Which would speak against 4K content and against a 4K AppleTV-Box, which is the whole point of this thread and discussion.
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The upscaler quality is key here, since every 4K display outputs everything at it's native 4K resolution. Sony and Samsung continue to lead the way. It's also where a lot of people get suckered in the stores. They see the 4K demos and think they are going to buy a new 4K set, take it home, and their craptastic Comcast over-compressed 720p signal is going to look good. It's not......in fact, even on a 4K set with a good upscaler like Samsung, it still looks bad. Garbage in = Garbage out. However, if you feed the 4K set a nice clean 1080p (or even decent bitrate 720p) the upscaler can make it look really nice.
Only problem I see with this is the Apple TV is hardly a cash cow. I get your point though
He is not interested in facts or proof. He will continue to link a video that contradicts his own point. Better to stop feeding the troll at this point.
Here's the thing your answer is sort of right sort of wrong it has a few variables in it that can change.
It's going to depend on the source of the video etc..
You take an average SD TV vs the best Upscaler the upscaler may actually produce a better image, but taking the best SD display/TV ever made vs the best upscaler on a 720p/1080p TV the SD will win because its a native image on a native display.
Honestly, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
I'm a member at AVSForum. Most there will say the same thing. A good upscaler can improve the picture, vs SD alone.
Again. it doesn't.
But everybody can watch for themselves, it is certainly very interesting and educational.
It's an in depth analyses and comparison of film resolution from cinematographer Steve Yedlin (Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Looper, Carrie) and it shows that you can NOT see the difference between 2K (1080p) and 4K.
See PART 2 here: http://yedlin.net/ResDemo/
You're in need of a history lesson. Apparently you are not aware that movies available through iTunes were 720p long after others were already streaming at 1080p. Apple is not first to market with new technology, they are typically last to market with new technology. That's how Apple has always been. Not sure what planet you are living on.
[doublepost=1502213388][/doublepost]Only problem I see with this is the Apple TV is hardly a cash cow. I get your point though
What does a Cow say to someone who won't let a argument go?
MOOVE On....
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Any comment on the part I quoted? The part where he says the best viewing experience is a higher resolution display? Your lack of comment when its been posted several times leads me to believe you aren't interested in an actual debate.
That's not true. They are sometimes last, but sometimes first, or near first.
Examples where Apple was an early adopter:
USB
HEIF
SuperDrives in laptops
Getting rid of SuperDrives in laptops
SSD
h.264
Thunderbolt
Consumer gigabit Ethernet
WiFi
Sometimes shot on film and then a 2K intermediate... just upscaled to 4K for UHD-disc.Happy days if we get a 4k HDR Dolby Vision! Apple TV
one thing thats a bit of a con, is the most Films out there were shot on 2k, and they are up scaling them for 4k... thats not true 4k.
Its becoming a bit of a mess.
4K content still isn't widely available, so Apple was wise to wait for more content to be developed along with more afforadable 4K TV's. Hell, I have 4K now and mostly use it to watch the 40 or so movies/shows available via NetFlix and Amazon Prime. I just hope they allow movies already purchased to be upgraded to 4K for free..........the ones that are available in 4K, that is. For example, I own the HD digital copy of Passengers. If Passengers is released in 4K on iTunes, I would like for Apple to recognize I have a 4K AppleTv and automatically allow me to access the 4K version. They did this when they switched to HD. Guess we shall see.
Why would suggesting a 4k TV is better than a 1080P TV be against a 4k Apple TV and content? Even if the source is lower, a 4k Apple TV box would let a 4K TV run at native resolution, rather than having to use a cheap upscaler internally. Your post makes no sense as written.
There are numerous considerations to make when watching SD content on an HDTV, which can totally affect your experience:
1 - Fixed vs Non-Fixed panel -
HDTV's generally are fixed at their native resolution which is much higher than SD's resolution. Because they are fixed, they have to scale the image to match the panel size and resolution which introduces distortion. The more scaling, the bigger the distortion. It's actually better view SD content on a panel that has a lower native resolution than a higher one. Ever watched SD content on an EDTV plasma? SD can't look much better than that on an HDTV plasma.
2 - Screen Size and perceived resolution-
HDTV's are much larger than CRT SD Televisons. This means that, at the same viewing distance, the larget HDTV will explode the perceived pixels (remember they're scaled) of the SD content which makes it look ugly. Most of us grew up on 26 to 32 inch TV's. You'll notice that even on CRT TV's, an image tends to look better on a 32 than a 36 (at the same viewing distance) because the pixels are perceived to be smaller, thus the resolution appears higher.
3 - Viewing Distance -
Speaking of which, many people don't properly adjust their viewing distance. This goes hand in hand with point#2. Technically, you should be changing your viewing distance depending on the screen resolution of the content you're viewing. The higher the resolution, the closer you should sit, while the lower the resolution, the further. For example, on a given 52 inch TV, you should be sitting about 6-7 feet away for HD content. For SD content on the same TV, I believe it's around 12-14 feet you're supposed to be sitting away. Notice how no one wants to sit in the front row of a theatre? Same kinda idea. People just don't adjust themselves properly based on content. If you actually do, you'll find SD can look really good an an HDTV. I've recently been using a 24 inch LCD as a TV for now, and find it's horrible for viewing SD content at my normal 2-3 feet viewing distance. I've since been forced to sit 6 feet away on the couch and the SD content looks stunning!!!!
4. - Accuracy -
CRT's tend to be fuzzy and not as sharp as an HDTV of the same size. This fuzziness helps hides the imperfections and pixels that an HDTV will show. Meanwhile, an HDTV is more accurate and sensitive to the quality of the content. A low quality content will look bad, while a high quality content will look a whole lot better. With an HDTV, you can always tell which TV station has the crap feeds from the good feeds, but with an SD CRT, it's very hard to see the difference.
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