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Why pigeonhole people? Can't people be fans of certain Android products and certain Apple products? I love Android tabs and phones, iPhone I hate, iPad is ok I guess. Mac is a great computer, Windows PC's I love how easily upgradable they are.

So am I an Android fan, Apple fan, Windows fan, Apple hater? Or perhaps just somebody that loves tech!

Totally agree, the only difference is that I like the iPhone, but it doesn't provide what I want in an smartphone.
 
And the continued trend of arbitrarily holding back features to push sells of new devices. So sickeningly sad that they feel they have to hold things back just to push sales of devices.

Yeah they don't do that. What they do try to us make as much of a new os as available to as many owners as possible. That is why they see 70% adoption rates in one-to-two months and why android can't even manage half at thst adoption rate on a two year old os.

I know when I buy an iOS device I will get three full os upgrades. Even if a few options are not available. If I buy an android device I know I will have to buy a new nexus device every time a new android release comes out to keep up.

For the life of me I don't know why android users put up with it. However we know most android users do not really use most smartphone features so they don't care. I just wonder about the snell percentage of android users who are hardcore smartphone users who put up with the horrible upgradabilitu and subpar App Store. These two things alone are killers for me.

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Will have to really see it up close, but from watching that keynote, I'm not impressed. It's too flat. Too many plain white screens with plain black text. They can go flat and still have some color. The font looks like a true ripoff of Win 8 phone.

Don't think I'll be going to this for a long time. My iOS 6.1.2 is jailbroken and I love it.
With 1500 new apis for developers I doubt you will stay there long.
 
I know when I buy an iOS device I will get three full os upgrades. Even if a few options are not available. If I buy an android device I know I will have to buy a new nexus device every time a new android release comes out to keep up.

For the life of me I don't know why android users put up with it. However we know most android users do not really use most smartphone features so they don't care. I just wonder about the snell percentage of android users who are hardcore smartphone users who put up with the horrible upgradabilitu and subpar App Store. These two things alone are killers for me.


You keep ignoring what so many people have written to you and in other threads. If you keep wanting to keep your head in the sand - that's your right. But as been explained - unlike iOS - Google updates their core apps quite frequently throughout the year. And you don't need a whole new iOS to gain functionality.

p.s. I have both an iPhone and Android phone. And I find both App stores the same. Google's is actually easier (to me) to sort through apps and discover new ones. To each their own though.

And since I upgrade my phone every 18 months (like many here to) - not being on the full latest OS (because my phone does exactly what I want and need it to do) doesn't matter as much. I never buy a phone because of what it MIGHT do in the future - but what it does NOW.

But again - to each their own.
 
I can't believe how ugly this is, something Jony thought up in 2005 but didn't pass muster with Jobs 8 years ago but Cook thinks it's good today?? What a joke.

As for the parallax wallpaper, thanks for giving us something Android has had for years now but what good is it when you can't see the full image anyway? At least on Android you can have a blank screen and enjoy the wallpaper in full view - static, live, parallax, what have you.

These icons are a JOKE. There's a reason why skeurowhatever works and Jobs chose that route. Because the icons conveyed the purpose of the apps well. That Game Center icon is a great example of what's wrong with this new UX.

Instead of letting Ives run amok with his pastel train wreck changes they should've incorporated live data into the home screens ala widgets. You know, something useful.

I'll stick with iOS 6 until they fix this mess in iOS 8.
 
So what is the point of the retina desplay?

(Sorry, "Display")I'm sure I'm going to like it overall but I just don't like to look. I still don't understand why Apple touts the awesome "retina" display and then decides to not utilize it in the appearance of the icons. :confused:
 
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Wait a minute...you're calling the OLD UI childish and gay?

Compared to this one???

The new UI looks like My Little Pony vomited on the screen. Have a man stare at that color scheme for 5 minutes and he'll start complaining about menstrual cramps.

It's trash.



I can't tell since my retinas are burning. Maybe if they had used a color scheme that was...I don't know...NOT radioactive.

Yes it is childish now, in my eyes. If you look at the old OS version, there was a lot of swiping around to get to a certain point. For instance, Settings. How may swipes did it take to turn on the wifi and log on/off the App store--as a security measure?

What they're doing with the new Settings screen as a short-cut is wise. Ever hear of thumb-itis?

But since you think the iOS 7 is a gay design, why don't you email Tim Cook about that? Tell Apple to "man up" and lay off "girly" design.

You might not realize this but the reason they used the white background is to relate to Apple's website which has, obviously, a similar color scheme. It's called a design trend.

I'm getting tired of seeing the 'glossy' look of the icons and that needs to be refreshed. When competition changes up, you change up fast. It's like playing basketball, when the opposing team changes the game plan, you get moving.

Microsoft fired the first shot and did a great job with their minimalist design. In fact, you still might NOT realize this but what Apple did with iOS 7 is definitely a case of 'minimalism'. So let me help you with this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimalism

Did you REALLY think that Apple would stick with that iOS 6 look FOREVER?!? Things NEVER stay the same forever. Ever seen how car design changes over time?

So don't cry to me or anyone on here on how "girly" it looks. Apple brought this upon themselves. In fact, whose bright idea was it to put the straps on last year's iPod models?

In fact, the new PS-4 looks "mean" and "powerful" compared to the Apple TV with hard edges while Apple prefers "softer" edges with rounded corners which is considered a 'feminine' form of design (and yes, there is such a thing as masculine/feminine design stereotypes with shapes, form, color, etc).

It's all psychological.
 
You're smoking some serious weed if you think this leapfrogs Jellybean. Wow. I think it's just the "Ooo, look at the shiny new thing" talking when you start spewing that stuff.

And what do you care what percentage of phones are on what OS? That affects you how? I'd be willing to be that 2 hours ago, before Apple slid that thought into your mind, you didn't have a care in the world about what percentage of devices were on what OS. It wasn't even a passing thought. But now you sound like an Apple clone, spewing the garbage they like to fill your head with.

The bottom line for me is this...I like the look of iOS7. I like that they've finally given us toggles. I don't even mind the white/black OS. But good lord...those icons are f'n HIDEOUS. Just because the 80's are back in style with the kids these days doesn't mean EVERYTHING has to go neon.

Lol what it is a huge deal for anyone who uses their smartphone for anything other than a telephone. I know when I buy an iPhone I will see three full major software updates. You will also be able to get those updated the day they are launched.

On android if you get more than the os it came on you are lucky and regularly android devices are shipped and sold without even having the latest os on them.

Again for anyone who uses their smartphone as a computer it is a massive deal and a huge disadvantage for android. For people who get two free cheap android devices at the wireless store and know nothing about what they are buying they will not likely care as much.

People who buy the iPhone 5s when it comes out will have ios7 on it. They also will be sure to get both ios8 and ios9 upgrades as well.

The next big android phone to come out may not even have the latest os and there is zero chance of it bring upgraded to gummi bear and Oreo the day those oses are launched if ever.
 
iOS 6 vs iOS 7

Looking at those screenshots side by side, I have to admit that iOS6 does in fact look more visually appealing:eek:

One thing I don't get though?! They've used all nice and fancy bright colours for all the apps and yet they have given the Stocks and Compass apps a black colour which looks totally out of place on that home screen...?!!?:confused:

I am, however, genuinely looking forward to all that iOS 7 is bringing though!
 
Is AirDrop their way of telling you there will be no NFC in new phone? :rolleyes:

Knowing Apple, they are not going to spearhead technology which their competitors can piggy-back on. Apple will likely continue to find ways to replicate the uses of NFC without using NFC itself, and which work only on Apple devices.:p
 
I wasn't complaining about iTunes Radio, more questioning why I need another radio app on my phone. If it has better features they I may use it. How about, I dunno, asking a question to weigh the pros and cons of something.

I suspect with the rumor that apple will not be paying for skipped songs you will be able to skip more songs or no songs! :d
 
Lol what it is a huge deal for anyone who uses their smartphone for anything other than a telephone. I know when I buy an iPhone I will see three full major software updates. You will also be able to get those updated the day they are launched.

On android if you get more than the os it came on you are lucky and regularly android devices are shipped and sold without even having the latest os on them.

Again for anyone who uses their smartphone as a computer it is a massive deal and a huge disadvantage for android. For people who get two free cheap android devices at the wireless store and know nothing about what they are buying they will not likely care as much.

People who buy the iPhone 5s when it comes out will have ios7 on it. They also will be sure to get both ios8 and ios9 upgrades as well.

The next big android phone to come out may not even have the latest os and there is zero chance of it bring upgraded to gummi bear and Oreo the day those oses are launched if ever.


And it is clear that you don-t read what others write to you.

By the way, instead of repeatedly writing the same wrong thing would be better if you expend a little time in knowing the Android system architecture and how the core apps and services are updated.
 
funny how it's always someone's "friend" or "neighbor"...



i like how one of the touted features is animated weather on the screen.. htc sense has had that for years. good update from apple.. but it looks like they are still catching up.. android already has most of these features already.

also, now that ios looks a lot like android.. i'm sure people will say.. "but it's going to be implemented better by apple".. oh well

Which version of android though? The biggest android user base is using a three plus year old OS. As soon as ios7 is launched apple will have more people using these features than android users due to horrific fragmentation on android
 
Funny, I didn't say I was against downsizing the mac pro or advancing the function of the design. But when it come's to basic aesthetics of the object, it just does not look good. Sorry but I am allowed to express what I think, and I am just calling it as I see it. It reminds me of a black plastic wastepaper can, or an ashtray... this is also design, this is also communication. This is what I see, plain and simple. I would not like to have this on my desk or even underneath it. Apple has been mastering the art of industrial design creating products that look and feel good, this looks like a toy from star wars. Terrible. I bet you love the new Airport as well, haha.

I don't use Airport and never have for the last 10 years. I use 3rd party router. I could'nt care less if it looks like an ashtray can, but you should KNOW that they have a reason for that industrial design for the Mac Pro.

So you're saying "it does not look good" in a subjective manner, but how would you define 'good' design? Can you think of any?

This is why YOU. ARE. NOT. A. DESIGNER.

Designers understand definition and depth. People who lack that skill only think "IT just looks cool. You know..like in one of those sci-fi movies". Design is about thinking things in a new way by solving certain problems. That's a "JJ Abrams" way of thinking of how cool it should look. Stanley Kubrick, on the other hand, is the maestro and has made his films with creative purpose, as an example.

Ive must have had a reason for making the Mac Pro rounded, along with his staff. He's the head hardware designer and is responsible for that, although Mr. Mansfield most likely had something to do this architecture as well. Ask yourself this: did YOU REALLY think that all 'pro' tower computers would stay TALL and BOXY for the next 20-100 years? Hardware is going to evolve over time.

Is it flawed? We don't know until we SEE it in person and try it out. It's not even out yet, so I'm sure it won't be as loud as the older Mac Pros, and I'm sure the design to vent heat and keep the machine cool is probably well thought out compared to the iMac's (I've had problems with the summer heat causing the iMac to go even warmer whereas in Winter, it stays cool all day).

It's the little things that make or break a design. But still, like others have said, it's really the G4 Cube design reincarnated inside a cylinder. It really is. And having the top part be the fan makes a lot of sense.

It's no question that with the new specs, it's truly a monster compared to the iMacs. The old Mac Pro was too big to carry around and I have the older G4 tower stored away. It was clunky and heavy.

What Apple did in condensing the size down was the right thing to do. It's about compact design, not turning it into a Mack truck like Optimus Prime.
 
I tried the beta on an old 4S.
My god it looks like crap!

Ive can't design something as complicated as a OS.
He is good at designing boxes.
 
For all of you whining about pastels...

all you have to do is CHANGE THE DAMN WALLPAPER... pastels will be gone.

seriously..
its a damn wallpaper.
 
I have not had the chance to read all of the last 1200+ post, so forgive me if I am repeating anything.

The new OS has not grown on me completely yet, but the new flat design looks balanced with the 'factory' Apple app's being shown.

Surely there is no guarantee that all the other app's you own will have their icon's updated by the developer to compliment the new iOS?

Will this not make the interface look messy / tacky, with a mix of 'older' and less 'flat' designed icons, given the App's to date were designed with the old interface in mind?
 
I have not had the chance to read all of the last 1200+ post, so forgive me if I am repeating anything.

The new OS has not grown on me completely yet, but the new flat design looks balanced with the 'factory' Apple app's being shown.

Surely there is no guarantee that all the other app's you own will have their icon's updated by the developer to compliment the new iOS?

Will this not make the interface look messy / tacky, with a mix of 'older' and less 'flat' designed icons, given the App's to date were designed with the old interface in mind?

Yeah that is a problem that I also thought of but I'm sure devs will update their apps in a timely manner... And definitely the big name devs
 
Which version of android though? The biggest android user base is using a three plus year old OS. As soon as ios7 is launched apple will have more people using these features than android users due to horrific fragmentation on android

I always do find it funny when android users talk up their new features when at last count, 75percent of them have never even seen them.
 
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