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Apple Unveils iPhone 7 With Water Resistance, A10 Fusion, New 'Jet Black' Color, Updated Cameras, No Headphone Jack, and More

The camera on the 7 Plus is really tempting.

I wonder if with the 8 the dual camera will move down to the normal non-Plus model.
 
Michael Scrip said:
Correct.

It's now $32/month, $36/month, $40/month for the phone itself... plus whatever your service plan is.

But remember... you were always paying for the phone even with the old contracts and "subsidies"

Did you really think you were *only* paying $199 for a brand new iPhone? That your cell carrier was giving you a true subsidy? Or a gift?

No... the retail price of the phone was always built into your monthly phone bill. YOU were paying for it.

At least now you can see it.

And before anyone says "it was cheaper with contracts and subsidies..."

Your overall monthly payments would likely have gone up anyway even if they kept contracts and subsidies. Things like this tend to get more expensive over time... not less. Your cost to own an iPhone in 2016 is higher than it was in 2011. I don't think you can blame that strictly on the loss of contracts and subsidies.

It's difficult to make any sort of comparison between the old way of buying phones and the new way.

Hell... back then you had to choose how many minutes you wanted... how many text messages you wanted... and maybe how much data you wanted. What was that worth?

But today... voice and texts are so devalued that everyone just gets them included. And it's now your data allotment that is the bulk of your bill.

Times change... prices go up. But you're still on the hook for paying for the phone. Just like you always have.
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I still don't get it. I thought my data plan subsidized part of the cost of the phone over a two-year contract. You paid part of the cost upfront when you signed a contract, and then your data plan covered the rest of it over the duration of the contact. So again, if I am making a one time payment or monthly installments on the phone, shouldn't my monthly data plan be lower then? Confusing...
 
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Hey, letting everyone know that the 6S now also starts at 32GB and for $549. It's still a flagship phone that's not going to die anytime soon with the overall disappointed response to the 7.

It's a much better value.
 
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mdlooker said:
My monthly charge hasn't changed one iota. Same price no matter what. I'll be staying with the same carrier, always have.

The difference: I'll be paying about $5-600 more come Friday.
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If you want to pay for it all at once, yes. But if you roll it into a two year installment plan its roughly the same as if you were paying for a phone under the old 2 year plan.
 
Michael Scrip said:
You didn't have to pay full price then... and you don't have to now either.

Contracts and "subsidies" may be gone... but payment plans took their place.

You don't HAVE to spend $650-850 on a new iPhone.
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Uh, you're still spending $650-$850, it's just been divided into 24-30 equal payments.
 
greytmom said:
I do it all the time - I just plug in my lightning cable. Charges phone and plays.
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I have an outdated car stereo that required a kit to be able to plugin (no bluetooth). I'll have to get another kit $140 plus labor to play via bluetooth.
 
bkaus said:
Yup, the reason is digital didn't exist when they created the 1/8" audio jack.
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...What? Haha, digital is literally just 1 and 0's, you cannot get sound from that. You have to process it, using a DAC, or Digital to Analog Converter, and an AMP, or amplifier.
This is literally physics, sound is by definition an analog signal, no if, and, or buts.
In order to get sound, at some point in the chain of process, you need to convert it to analog. No getting around that.
 
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aloshka said:
For the same price you now get 128gb. Why would you want 64?
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Don't know maybe he is looking for a price break if they go 32, 64, 128 and 256 - let's be honest anyone considering an iPhone shouldn't be looking for a deal - besides IOS, you can pretty much get every feature imaginable on the Android side.
 
Alex.Cai said:
Apple knows it and they know people who need 2 SIMs will buy 2 iPhones.
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Me and 6 people I know swiched mostly to Android platform becouse of that option...so no, they do not know their customers very well. Not because Androids are better and full stop, but because of this critical option they are ignoring. I do not want to carry two phones. Galaxy Duos, Mi 5s, One Pluses.....all great phones in these cases used by people who are not fanboys but just need the right tools.
 
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vsthsd said:
Because it's just time to move on and a large enough company needs to start it. It'll be another connectivity war since I think Lightning is apple-only, but kicking the analog bucket continuously down the road isn't the solution.
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Do you think that your Lightning headphones will not be analog, or that the sound waves coming out of them are not analog?

Also, Lightning isn't just Apple-only. It's iDevice-only. If you spend $200 on a pair of headphones for your iPhone, you can't use them with a MacBook.
 
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mtcowdog said:
Apple seems to be in a race this consumer doesn't understand. Faster, better but nothing really new. They cut a few seconds off their best time. Uh, cool? But I'm ready for the next game. Maybe I expect too much. But I'm not sure Apple is winning the race for my money this year.
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What is the next game for you? What would make you say "wow"? I'm not being a smart aleck, I'm genuinely curious what it is and what I should be pining for...
 
whiteboytrash said:
That's not actually true. 3.5mm headphone jack is analogue, so it has to covert the digital recording into analogue which means quality loss in the sound. Lighting is fully digital. So it will be better quality.
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You should learn about this sort of thing before posting, because what you've written is completely false.

All sound is analogue. "Digital Audio" is a stream of 1s and 0s that need to be converted to actual sound to be able to be heard.

The quality of sound coming from digital lies in the Digital to Analog Converter (DAC).

The lightning headphones will presumably still use the internal DAC in the iphone to output real sound.
 
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Mailia said:
Sounds like you don't know how audio work. All headphones are analogue. You can't go fully digital.
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No, but now you can get much better quality A/D converter since that does not happen inside the phone. I really do not understand why so many people fail to see what a tremendous advantage that can be.
 
bankshot said:
From the photos, it doesn't look like you can charge while listening to headphones. If true, that's a pretty huge downside. The only option would be to spend more money on wireless headphones of some kind.
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Yep, or invest on its dock which has a line out jack...
 
iSee said:
That's not huge. It's tiny actually, because you're talking about connecting your head to a wall for extended periods of time. How often do you think people will really want to do this?

You're buying an expensive mobile device (with the best battery life yet for an iPhone) but, oh no, you don't want to spend a few bucks on wireless headphones to avoid routinely connecting your head to a wall???

Also, if that's really what you want to do, you'll be able to buy a pass-through adapter that will allow you to charge and listen to wired headphones at the same time.

This has to be the worst argument for keeping the old headphone jack.
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I listen to audio on my iPhone 6 using headphones while sitting at my desk at work. All the time. Not being able to charge the iPhone while using headphones would be a major inconvenience.
 
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Sedulous said:
No, but now you can get much better quality A/D converter since that does not happen inside the phone. I really do not understand why so many people fail to see what a tremendous advantage that can be.
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Why do you think that a DAC integrated into a pair of headphones will automatically be better? Especially if we're talking about something as tiny as the Apple earbuds.
 
dmylrea said:
Uh, you're still spending $650-$850, it's just been divided into 24-30 equal payments.
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It was like that in the era of subsidized phones. The carrier was not spotting you for a new phone and you just paid a part of it. The rolled the cost into your contract. The new payment plans now allow you to affect your monthly plan based on the actual cost of the phone. Want a lower bill, get a cheaper data plan OR a cheaper device.
 
dmylrea said:
You got the age range wrong. It's between 18 and 25. The Millennials. They're either professional college students or living at home with Mom and Dad until 30. Their motto is "Who needs money when I get everything for free"!
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That would have been my motto if they hadn't kicked me out at 18 and asked me to support them.
 
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