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They'll have to when the EU forces everybody to go micro-USB (most likely to be updated to USB-C) in 2017.
Not a chance. The EU wants you to be able to reuse the expensive chargers. They don't care about the cable. And if you take your Samsung phone and it's charging cable, that fits right into my Apple charger. Or the Anker charger that I got for my Apple devices.
 
I still don't get it. I thought my data plan subsidized part of the cost of the phone over a two-year contract. You paid part of the cost upfront when you signed a contract, and then your data plan covered the rest of it over the duration of the contact. So again, if I am making a one time payment or monthly installments on the phone, shouldn't my monthly data plan be lower then? Confusing...

Like I said... it's very difficult to compare the old way to the new way.

Everything has changed over the last few years.

You used to have one price for minutes, one price for texts, one price for data... add it up and that was your monthly payment. And you also had to produce $199 to $399 at the time of purchase.

Now... most major carriers just give you voice and texts included... and you simply choose how much data you want. And now the only other line-item each month is the monthly cost of the phone. Add the monthly cost of your plan with the monthly cost of the phone... and that's your monthly payment. Oh.. and no more down payment. You don't need $199 to $399 anymore a the time of purchase.

Overall... your monthly bill might be more these days... or it might be less... or it might be the same.

But it's difficult to make an, ahem, apples to apples comparison between 2011 and 2016.
 
No, but now you can get much better quality A/D converter since that does not happen inside the phone. I really do not understand why so many people fail to see what a tremendous advantage that can be.

Yes, an external DAC can be better than the one apple uses in its phones, but they could also be used with every other iPhone. Dropping the headphone jack hasn't altered digital audio functionality at all.
 
Lots of 3+ year old car stereos won't play newer iPhones via USB inputs and need the use of an Aux cable. With the iPhone 7, that means not being able to charge at the same time.

I bet there will be less expensive options on the market quite soon. Here is what I used a few years ago in an older car - sound quality was good enough for me. (Keep in mind that I'm not an audiophile).
 
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No, but now you can get much better quality A/D converter since that does not happen inside the phone. I really do not understand why so many people fail to see what a tremendous advantage that can be.
The "quality" portable DACs, though, are massive, cost a fortune, and provide about 4 hours of battery life before dying. The current iPhone 6S DAC is about as good as you can get in that small of a form factor, and there is little doubt that you can expect to receive a DAC that is no better than the internal DAC (and likely much worse) on a pair of lightning headphones.

Furthermore, there are a ton of components that shape how you hear your music and which can either improve or decimate sound quality. The first that comes to mind is the quality of headphone drivers you're listening to your music through. No matter how good of a DAC you have, if you're listening to music through a pair of Apple earbuds it will never sound as good as the stock iPhone DAC with pair of professional-grade headphones, for example. My point is to say that while in the broadest theoretical sense an improved DAC could improve sound quality, portable DACs of the type to which you're referring (1) do not exist, but (2) would not be as cost-efficient of a means through which to improve your listening experience as buying even a marginally better set of headphones
 
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It just changes the point at which the digital audio is converted to analogue signal. And if the headphone manufacturer wants to cheap out, they can put in a crappy DAC that just makes the quality even ******** than it would be coming from an internal DAC.

True..
 
That's not actually true. 3.5mm headphone jack is analogue, so it has to covert the digital recording into analogue which means quality loss in the sound. Lighting is fully digital. So it will be better quality.

Your post is not actually true. It's actually completely wrong.

The 3.5mm jack does not convert the music from digital to analogue. The appropriately named digital to analogue converter (DAC) handles the conversion. It is literally a connection point from the signal from the DAC to the wires in a pair of headphones. It's like a wall socket for an electrical wire.

Fun science fact of the day - your ears are analogue.
 
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Why do you think that a DAC integrated into a pair of headphones will automatically be better? Especially if we're talking about something as tiny as the Apple earbuds.
Because now manufacturers can make audio products with genuinely better foundation. The DAC in idevices is meh.
 
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Remember when Apple made computers! #disappointedagain
 
The adaptor shows how little faith Apple have in removing the headphone jack.

Imagine Apple under Jobs including an adaptor.


Looks like they ran out of room adding the Haptic engine. They were forced to remove the jack. As for those saying this moves audio into fully digital, no- you were using a DAC before, you were already in a digital world. The phone jack was not a deliberate, forethought choice. But lovely marketing spin.
 
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What is the problem?

They are providing you an adapter free of charge. And they're moving into the fully digital world.

To me it sounds like a win-win.

Having to use a dongle makes the experience worse. Beyond being just plain awkward, I have to buy extra dongles or carry my dongle with me at all times so I can use any of the headphones I already own or anyone else's headphones. Requiring a dongle to be able to use the billions of headphones already in the world is the opposite of the "it just works" philosophy that used to be the hallmark of Apple design. Apple backtracked on the recessed headphone jack of the original iPhone. Hopefully they will come to their senses. More likely, this will contribute to Apple's decline. Best case, we end up with a new fragmented category of consumer electronics device.
 
so how does these new earpods that come with iphone 7 work with my mac? Or even new macs that's only gonna have usb C ports?...

Do i need another dongle to convert lightning to usb C?
 
That's not actually true. 3.5mm headphone jack is analogue, so it has to covert the digital recording into analogue which means quality loss in the sound. Lighting is fully digital. So it will be better quality.
Your ears were and still are analogue, even when the headphones connect digitally. The D/A conversion just happens later in the "line" before you hear something.
 
Uh, you're still spending $650-$850, it's just been divided into 24-30 equal payments.

Oh I agree. But that's better than paying the $650-850 all at once.

People say the price of the iPhone went from $199 to $650 when contracts and subsidies went away.

But that isn't true.

You were always paying full price of the phone over time then... and you still are today.

They just don't call it a "subsidy" anymore.

Which makes sense... since that isn't what a subsidy is anyway.
 
How dense are you people? You can't hear a digital signal!

Stick a lightning jack in your ear, and let me know what it sounds like.

Maybe someday humans will come equipped with a Lightning input.

Until then I'd prefer the required DAC to be the high quality one in the iPhone rather than the unknown DAC in the adapter or headphones.
 
This is not a step forward: audio through the lightning connector has always been possible. This is not retiring a redundant interface (e.g. floppy & DVD) as we still need to get audio off the devices and even Apple isn't offering bluetooth headphones as the default. So the default is actually a new proprietary system that blocks charging at happening concurrently.

All prior decisions to retire were because the industry offered a better current and open platform:

Floppy >> DVD
DVD >> Wireless

Apple are taking backward steps at the moment:

USB C loses the magsafe charger
Lightning audio is losing the option to charge and is proprietary

This doesn't work.

In that note -

Wired Audio >> Wireless

I don't think Apple's long-term goal is lightning audio. They just want the damn jack gone since over time it depreciates in it's value. Apple's probably banking on everything wireless and just providing a bridge between today and 2 years from now.
 
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