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Maybe he's an American?

In the USA, about half the population between 18 and 65 years old is unemployed and have no prospect for attaining full time employment in their lifetime.
Sorry Donald, that's not the case.
 
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There have never been subsidised phones, the cost was built into your monthly plan charge!

There *were* subsidized phones ($199) with 2YR contracts and everyone paid the same service price. Then, they snuck in cheaper plans if you BYOD or outright purchase the phone, but left the contract prices the same (which then looked like higher prices).
 
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In Los Angeles, people are in their cars for better part of the day. Ever try using a map app and listening to music through your phone without charging while stuck in traffic for 1 - 1 1/2 hours?

I do it all the time - I just plug in my lightning cable. Charges phone and plays.
 
Will be looking into the upgrade plan that is now in the UK.

Is it a good deal for anyone who is currently on it?

Not as good here in the UK as in the US. It's a 20 month credit agreement with Barclays here, not a 24 month agreement like in the States. Means the monthly payments are higher, and there's £49 to pay upfront too. £45/month for 128GB 7 Plus
 
In my opinion Apple's is better since the payment includes AppleCare Plus.
I find the carrier plan wins always wins. It means even on the top pay monthly tariff available the equivalent sim only price would be £20/£30mth but you'll get everything & the kitchen sink chucked in, even if I take a 24mth plan, trade the 'old phone' in after 12mths & buy a new one from :apple:, it still works out better 'value'.
 
One huge design flaw. You will be unable to charge and listen to the wired headphones at the same time.
 
Rip my phone subsidy and new iPhones every year. No way I'm paying $650+ for a phone.

I realize it was baked into the plan, but if you didn't use it, it was free money you were throwing away.

AAPL is going to be hurting next quarter. No way people are go to pay that much.
 
Does this mean the price of my plan will go down?
It depends. Doing the math myself, with the iPhone not necessarily. But it wont go up much either. It depends on the capacity you pick. Mine is a 6 with 64GB. So if I pick the equivalently priced 128GB, my bill stays within a couple bucks of what it is now. So if you go smaller capacity you may see a slight reduction, the larger capacity a higher cost.

The idea behind the new installment based plans is that it now mose closely follows the EXACT cost of the phone which means more to android users than iPhone. Android has a wide variety of handsets. So much so that the monthly cost of the phone over two years may b significantly less than the blanket device charge they charged everyone no matter what device. The issue with that universal fee was that some phones were being under charged and thus carriers were actually losing money on phones because the subsidy was not really repaid for some phones. The way I look at this now. My bill stays pretty much the same and when I upgrade my phone I pay NOTHING for the phone upfront and I pocket the money when I sell my old one instead of needing to use that money to replay the down payment on the new one.
 
damn those Canadian prices... Will probably end up waiting for the 8/7S but I could almost buy a new computer at that price =(

7: $899, $1029, $1159
7 Plus; $1049, $1179, $1309
 
I have been a full time pro for nearly 30 years, it's software bokeh, nothing new really, kind of like machine learned Gaussian Blur. The new cameras are pretty cool but with all the competition we knew they would be.

And now cue the idiotic punditry of "Who needs a pro"....3,2,1......lol!

As a 30 year full time pro, could you tell us how much you would have to pay for a standalone photo camera and/or video camera that is about the same quality as the camera in an iPhone 7 or 7+?
 
My point is that the amount you pay each month on an 'old plan' likely includes a 1/24 or 1/18 cost of the phone itself

True

and if you switched to a new plan you'd see your monthly cost drop,

This is misleading. The different rate would have had some other change affecting the price such as lower minutes or data.

At the end of the day most people are in the same net position because they're paying less each month for their service but they now incur a distinct monthly hardware cost.

False. My rate plan I signed up for 2 years ago included an iPhone at a subsidized rate. If I buy a new iPhone Friday and get one of the current plans, the rate has not improved and is in fact slightly higher for slightly more data.

The only thing I was correcting is that the carriers have never subsided the phones. That's what they wanted you to believe, but they don't make money by taking a $500 hit on every phone they hand out!!!

They did subsidize the phone, but they were making that back up in the rate. It does not mean it wasn't subsidized.
 
So, now I'll need two dongles in my car instead of zero.
Actually it wasn't a dongle. It was a fairly nice, armored y cable with three things on it: A Cigarette plug for the car, a 30-pin connector for the phone, and a 3.5mm plug that goes directly into your aux port. I thought it was pretty slick, and let me charge my phone while listening to music through the head unit and using my GPS apps.
 
Why did removing the analog jack need to be done?

Replacing it with a dongle is just plain bad design and removes the ability to listen via wired headphones and charge at the same time.

I understand why they'd do it in terms of profits - licensing fees to non-beats headphone makers, car stereo makers and home stereo makers, sales of dongles that will invariably get lost, and lots of sales for their new line of Beats Lightning headphones, but it's a really big step back in the user experience for a lot of people.

Because it's just time to move on and a large enough company needs to start it. It'll be another connectivity war since I think Lightning is apple-only, but kicking the analog bucket continuously down the road isn't the solution.
 
My monthly charge hasn't changed one iota. Same price no matter what. I'll be staying with the same carrier, always have.

The difference: I'll be paying about $5-600 more come Friday.
What are you paying, and for what level of service, GB/month etc..?
 
What is the problem?

They are providing you an adapter free of charge. And they're moving into the fully digital world.

To me it sounds like a win-win.

Um, no, they are not moving into a fully digital world. The digital signal has to be converted to analog before it can be audible through the headphones. Therefore, given two exact similar headphone speaker designs where one is using a 3.5 mm headphone jack and the other is using a Lightning connector, there will be no noticeable difference in sound between the two.
 
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Rip my phone subsidy and new iPhones every year. No way I'm paying $650+ for a phone.

I realize it was baked into the plan, but if you didn't use it, it was free money you were throwing away.

AAPL is going to be hurting next quarter. No way people are go to pay that much.

You didn't have to pay full price then... and you don't have to now either.

Contracts and "subsidies" may be gone... but payment plans took their place.

You don't HAVE to spend $650-850 on a new iPhone.
 
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