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Oh... you think rates should go down over time?

That would be great... but how often does that actually happen?

Most things are more expensive now than they were 5 years ago. I wouldn't expect the evil cell carriers to be any different :D
That's not true. The price of flat screen television hs steadily declined while more advanced technologies
Oh... you think rates should go down over time?

That would be great... but how often does that actually happen?

Most things are more expensive now than they were 5 years ago. I wouldn't expect the evil cell carriers to be any different :D

That's not true. The price of HDTVs have steadily declined over the years while advanced technologies have been added. Phone companies are taking advantage of consumers. There is nothing ground breaking in iPhone 7 than non-geek users can't do without. Apple will keep introducing new meaningless and useless technologies because they have consumers addicted to buying the latest Apple phone as if it was the newest revised edition of the Bible.
 
The benefits are improved water resistance, freeing up space for other hardware, and pushing people toward superior audio technology. You might not personally care for any of these benefits, but nevertheless they are benefits.

You believe the marketing speak it seems...

1. Galaxy S7 is MORE waterproof than the iPhone 7 and it still has a headphone jack.

2. Wireless audio can never technically be better than wired.

Those are facts.
 
So basically absolutely nothing truly innovative? There have been lightning headphones out for a while, so no surprise there. Many Android phones have water resistances (at these low of ratings, they are not water proof, even the iPhone is only water resistant) ratings of IP-68 or higher.

Honestly, prices should drop on these devices and dramatically, as well as getting new features.

But Apple needs to get back to being innovative, not only are they not doing so, they are behind the times, they haven't even introduced the ability to add a MicroSD card, look at Samsung, they have been able to offer it by using the same slot as the SIM card, so the excuse that it would make the phone not look as nice is a bunch of garbage.

As for innovative, the rumor mill is saying that next year Samsung will introduce completely flexible phones to the market, something that has been a long time in coming. But the real exciting thing about that is it would mean that the screens should be virtually impossible to break.

Come on Apple, step up your game.
 
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I like the updated look even though the stupid camera bump is still there. The Chinese silicone/leather/TPU/etc. case makers must be happy it's still there.

I'm very happy that Apple has finally replaced "faster and thinner with the same (mediocre) battery life" with "faster and better battery life".

I wish Apple would find a way to put their best technology into the 4.7" model instead of reserving it for the 5.5" one.

I'm one of the millions of people who bought 3rd party earbuds because the Apple ones don't fit my ears properly and sound like crap (possibly because they don't fit properly). If I was to buy an iPhone 7 I'd have to:
(a) deal with a stupid adapter cable
(b) put up with ear buds that don't fit
(c) spend a lot of money replacing the good ear buds I already own

Maybe there will be more and better audio choices when it's time for me to replace my iPhone, but I expect that in a few years the market will be flooded with USB-C headphones and Lightning choices will be much fewer and more expensive.
 
Your argument is based in semantics. I put "courage" in quotes because I was referencing your use of the word and Phil Schiller's on stage. In no way did I literally mean the act of my complaining takes courage. But I think you know this and since you really have no better argument for consumer complacency, you chose to focus on this one word.

No... As much as Shiller is getting ridiculed for using the word "courage," he's actually using it correctly. Apple is taking a stand by removing the antiquated headphone jack, which for some will be very unpopular. There are huge potential adverse consequences to Apple making that decision, i.e. declining sales and company value. There's nothing worse for a company.

I honestly assumed you were trying to use "courage" in the same manner when you said, "... I at least have the "courage" to complain when I feel I'm being taken advantage of." If you really didn't mean courage, why not choose an appropriate word?
 
So basically absolutely nothing truly innovative? There have been lightning headphones out for a while, so no surprise there. Many Android phones have water resistances (at these low of ratings, they are not water proof, even the iPhone is only water resistant) ratings of IP-68 or higher.

Honestly, prices should drop on these devices and dramatically, as well as getting new features.

But Apple needs to get back to being innovative, not only are they not doing so, they are behind the times, they haven't even introduced the ability to add a MicroSD card, look at Samsung, they have been able to offer it by using the same slot as the SIM card, so the excuse that it would make the phone not look as nice is a bunch of garbage.

As for innovative, the rumor mill is saying that next year Samsung will introduce completely flexible phones to the market, something that has been a long time in coming. But the real exciting thing about that is it would mean that the screens should be virtually impossible to break.

Come on Apple, step up your game.
Good points. But as I have said before, until there are profits to be made in existing technologies, why would they introduce newer ones? Incremental changes to iPhones guarantees maximum profitability.
 
You believe the marketing speak it seems...

1. Galaxy S7 is MORE waterproof than the iPhone 7 and it still has a headphone jack.

2. Wireless audio can never technically be better than wired.

That's insulting. Having different preferences than you does not equal belief in marketing speak. If anything, Apple is finally making something that suits where I am already.

I already don't use the headphone jack when out and about because I prefer wireless headphones. I already don't use the headphone jack even at my desk because my iPhone 6S sits in a dock which blocks the downward facing jack. I already use bluetooth in the car for calls, syncing phone list, to use my radio's controls, etc.

Furthermore, on Mother's Day I did a downhill faceplant in the snow, shoving snow up the headphone port. The snow shorted connectors in the jack, making the phone think there were headphones plugged in. All audio routed to the non-existent headphones, meaning no audio until I could get home and shove a q-tip in there to get the water out.

As for #2, I understand and accept your point from an audio quality perspective, but the reason why I've gone wireless is that while exercising, gardening, etc., I've turned my head which yanks on the wires. This results in the headphones constantly popping out of my ears, or even worse, the iPhone almost flying out of my pocket. So "better" is a matter of perspective.

So to me, the headphone port is just a liability.
 
Having to use a dongle makes the experience worse. Beyond being just plain awkward, I have to buy extra dongles or carry my dongle with me at all times so I can use any of the headphones I already own or anyone else's headphones. Requiring a dongle to be able to use the billions of headphones already in the world is the opposite of the "it just works" philosophy that used to be the hallmark of Apple design. Apple backtracked on the recessed headphone jack of the original iPhone. Hopefully they will come to their senses. More likely, this will contribute to Apple's decline. Best case, we end up with a new fragmented category of consumer electronics device.
Yeah, I remember when nintendo removed their headphone jack on the gameboy sp. They too included a dongle but this change made me use headphones a whole lot less. They learned their lesson and added the jack back in future handhelds. I wonder if apple will do the same. I know these are different times but I'm not sure the masses are ready to make the leap just yet.
 
And that's exactly what the carriers would do too.

Remember... people are saying they're paying more per month after the loss of contracts and subsidies.

And I am saying the price probably would have gone up regardless.

The carriers set the price... and it's to give them the most profit.

But you're completely ignoring the competition aspect.

Either way this debate has completely gone off the rails at this point.

Either Verizon needs to give me a subsidized price or they need to give me a discount. End of story afaic.
 
The adaptor shows how little faith Apple have in removing the headphone jack.

Imagine Apple under Jobs including an adaptor.
You mean like how Jobs made an adaptor for every single technology that was replaced?
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What he said on stage were all good and valid reason and yes ultimately it takes courage. It was a rare moment of honesty on stage.
It's courage if the replacement is better. It's arrogant if it's not.
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God save the old jack. What will folks do, other than the majority who use whatever is in the box they get, or the remaining other folks who will simply add the adapter to it and forget about it, or those who never use it for anything and will love the new state of art wireless.
They used the default because it was easy. It's not anymore. As for the adaptor, you're assuming they will and you're assuming the majority will move on to wireless.
 
With everybody complaining about the 3.5mm jack being stripped out completely, you do realize that it was about time? I can't tell you the countless times my cords on my Bose and on my Sony MDR-7506 and Sennheiser HD-280s and even my regular Apple earphones have gotten snagged on, ripped out of my ear, or shredded the cord entirely because it would snag on a doorknob or backpack or some odd corner. So yes, I welcome the new upgrade to getting rid of the 3.5mm jack. How else are we suppose to move forward if we never take a step into the unknown? The advancement of bluetooth headphones will only get better with time which will result in better, more reliable headphones. Remember when they got rid of the optical drive? Or snipped the cords for the mouse and keyboard? I'd say, isn't it about time we go wireless with out audio?
You sound rather accident-prone, just don't complain when a lithium-ion battery explodes in your ear.
 
Why? Why did it have to happen sometime? There's literally not a better solution available.
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Except there wasn't a price increase? It's the same price as the 6/6s

I'm taking about the 7 plus
 
No more $199, $299, $399 thanks to the extinction of subsidized contract prices. The day finally came.
I'm on Verizon and still have 2 year contracts since I'm grandfathered into their old plans. So I'll be getting mine on contract
 
The benefits are improved water resistance, freeing up space for other hardware, and pushing people toward superior audio technology. You might not personally care for any of these benefits, but nevertheless they are benefits.
Other phones got waterproofing without getting rid of the jack, the only additional hardware to occupy that space was the ridiculous Taptic Engine that really is only there for the home button, and no - Lightning is not superior audio technology.
 
I really was thinking about returning to the iphone brand. After today no thanks. Its a beautiful phone but theres many phone out there that perform pretty much the same for almost 1/2 the cost. OnePlus 3 here I come....
 
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