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. But here is an extremely simplified formula using fake numbers to describe why people are pissed off:

2014 - I pay $199 for the smallest storage iPhone 6
Monthly service on Carrier is say $100/mo
2016 - new iPhone 7 now costs me $649 for the smallest storage iPhone 7 (they may finance it for free, but this aspect is irrelevant to the math)
Carrier is still charging me the same $100/mo without offering me a reduced plan or reduced cost on an iPhone.

My 2 year cost has now increased by $400, the difference in the subsidized price in 2014 vs the unsibsidized price in 2016.
here's the thing gecko..
use real numbers in this comparison and you'll see the fallacy.

you can't go:
"let's just say my bill used to be 100/mo and now let's just say it's 100/mo + the additional price of my financed phone charge"

...then arrive at

"it's now $400 more expensive.."

the conclusion is not real because the fake numbers used to arrive at the conclusion are not real.
 
Introducing the new iPhone 7 in piano black! (Last seen in the wild on the iPhone 3GS.)

Love it when "old" is "new" again.

Yeahhhhhhhhh.... the black on the 7 isn't the same as the 3GS. This will be a higher gloss, deeper black, and less prone to scratches due to the anodization process of metal as opposed to plastic.
 
What do you consider a "real upgrade". Outside of the design, this is on par for upgrades internally from an S series iPhone to a full series iphone. They simply didn't change the design all that much.

Upgrade iPhones low resolution display it's only
1080 x 1920 pixels (~401 ppi pixel density)

Compared to the stunning Nexus 6P
1440 x 2560 pixels (~518 ppi pixel density)

Give iPhone wireless fast charging.

Eliminate protruding Camera Bump, even if phone needs to be 1 or 2 mm thicker, use that space for larger battery.

These three improvements would be outstanding.
 
So preorder is on the 9th.
Will it Deliver on the 16th or start to be Shipped on the 16th???
 
Yeahhhhhhhhh.... the black on the 7 isn't the same as the 3GS. This will be a higher gloss, deeper black, and less prone to scratches due to the anodization process of metal as opposed to plastic.
Yeahhhhhhhhhh...... Larry Literal! We shall see.
 
As I said earlier, if that's the case, then there is no real reason for complaint. However, it appears new activations don't have this option on Verizon. Luckily, as an existing customer, I'll be able to take advantage of the 2 year subsidized price again.
Verizon eliminated contracts for new customers last year. But before they did that, they had a similar scheme as AT&T (monthly access fee for 2-year contracts $40, without a contract $15 or $20 depending on the data plan).
 
are you trying to exaggerate in order to make some sort of point?
or, do you really think the adapter is 'the size of an iPhone' and that $9 is an expense worth griping about?
He's right.

It's absurd, ugly, a nuisance and a waste of money even if the price isn't that much.

Only Apple can get away with a stunt like this. Too many writers and media make money covering Apple. Gushing over the companies magical products puts them in Apple's good graces.
 
Why are people so upset with the lack of headphone jack? Just leave the connector they provide on your headphones. It's not like your current headphones will be useless, geeze.
 
I get all of that. I've long been a proponent of getting rid of the subsidies. But here is an extremely simplified formula using fake numbers to describe why people are pissed off:

2014 - I pay $199 for the smallest storage iPhone 6
Monthly service on Carrier is say $100/mo
2016 - new iPhone 7 now costs me $649 for the smallest storage iPhone 7 (they may finance it for free, but this aspect is irrelevant to the math)
Carrier is still charging me the same $100/mo without offering me a reduced plan or reduced cost on an iPhone.

My 2 year cost has now increased by $400, the difference in the subsidized price in 2014 vs the unsibsidized price in 2016.

But you didn't pay $199 for the iPhone.

It's a $649 phone.

Where did that other $450 go? You were certainly paying for it the whole time. It was just included in your total monthly payment.

As such... it's extremely difficult to compare an old $100/month plan with subsidies to a $100/month plan today for the reasons I explain below.

Now, IF you carrier offers your exact same plan with the same data and features for a $16/mo discount, then perhaps you have nothing to complain about. But it seems that many people don't have this option. I myself will be following up with Verizon, but last time I checked there was no cheaper option for me.

That's the thing though... all the plans have changed over the years.

You used to pick how many minutes you wanted. Not a big talker? Get a small voice plan and save money. Big texter? Get a huge text plan instead.

But now... voice and texts are so devalued that everybody just gets them. It's included in your $20/month "line fee"

There's no way to compare old voice/text plans with this new "everybody gets them" plan.

Data is the big thing now... and that's what your bill is based on now.

So you basically pick your data plan... then add the $20 "line fee"... and that's what your service costs.

Your total bill today may be the same, more expensive, or less expensive than an old subsidized plan from long ago. But there's no way to know since you can't really compare them directly.

All I hear is people saying "my monthly bill is higher since contracts/subsidies are gone"

Well imagine this... let's say they still had contracts and subsidies... and they raised the price anyway? Then where would you be?

Prices go up quite often. That's what I was saying earlier. Services like this don't tend to get cheaper over time.

The shift from subsidies to non-subsidies was a huge change in the US cellular market. And people may have blamed an increase in their monthly cost on that.

But the prices might have gone up even if they kept contracts and subsidies. We'll never know.

Personally... I like the way it is today. Very simple.

On Verizon, for instance, you can get 8GB of data for $70/month... and your "line fee" gets you unlimited voice and texts for $20/month.

That's $90 a month for service. Simple.

Then you buy a phone. You can either pay $649 outright for an iPhone... or add around $27/month to Verizon. (or I think you can activate any compatible phone for a small one-time fee)

The point is... they've decoupled the "service" from the "phone". You still pay one bill... but now you know exactly what you're paying for.

That's radically different than the way it used to be.

People used to think that the iPhone cost $199 and then they paid some monthly fee for service. But people never knew what they were paying for.

Now at least it makes some sense. $70 for 8GB of data + $20 for voice/texts. Plus however you choose to acquire a phone.

That seems better than the smoke-n-mirrors of the old days. :)
 
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Upgrade iPhones low resolution display it's only
1080 x 1920 pixels (~401 ppi pixel density)

Compared to the stunning Nexus 6P
1440 x 2560 pixels (~518 ppi pixel density)

Give iPhone wireless fast charging.

Eliminate protruding Camera Bump, even if phone needs to be 1 or 2 mm thicker, use that space for larger battery.

These three improvements would be outstanding.

Fair enough. Only thing I would agree with, though, would be wireless charging.

Camera bump, while annoying, is okay if the phone is going to remain thin. With a case, phones get big enough.

As far as the display, we can only get to a certain PPI before it becomes really unnoticeable. I carry and iPhone 6S and a Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge Plus (1440 x 2560 pixels (~518 ppi pixel density)), and I really couldn't tell a discernible difference between the two in terms of clarity. Colors, sure, since the Galaxy uses OLED, but that would be it.
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Yeahhhhhhhhhh...... Larry Literal! We shall see.

Well, you're the one making the statements. Not me. :)
 
Fair enough. Only thing I would agree with, though, would be wireless charging.

Camera bump, while annoying, is okay if the phone is going to remain thin. With a case, phones get big enough.

As far as the display, we can only get to a certain PPI before it becomes really unnoticeable. I carry and iPhone 6S and a Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge Plus (1440 x 2560 pixels (~518 ppi pixel density)), and I really couldn't tell a discernible difference between the two in terms of clarity. Colors, sure, since the Galaxy uses OLED, but that would be it.
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Well, you're the one making the statements. Not me. :)
I carry mine without a case, laid on the table the camera bump causes the phone to rock annoyingly.
 
I carry mine without a case, laid on the table the camera bump causes the phone to rock annoyingly.


Alright... I can agree there too! :) I normally use a case so I don't notice it. However I may rock the phone naked while at work now since I intend on Jet Black.
 
... If this is the first year not buying an iPhone, then that kinda means you bought all of the S models which were also minor updates. The speed of the A10, the camera, the improved Taptic engine, and the Stereo speakers are enough for me to love this phone all over again.

Yes, but because i know it's a S variation. But let me break it down:
4S - Siri and way better camera than the 4 (bumped to 8mp)
5S - TouchID, true tone flash. My 5 died too
6S - 12mp camera, up from 8. 3D touch

7? Kept the 6's design. It feels like a 6S second edition to me. Not upgrading, especially no 3.5mm headphone jack. I have a Shure SE846!!!!! Can't use it. And please don't say "there's an adapter". I KNOW, but I don't like to carry a dongle around.
 
here's the thing gecko..
use real numbers in this comparison and you'll see the fallacy.

you can't go:
"let's just say my bill used to be 100/mo and now let's just say it's 100/mo + the additional price of my financed phone charge"

...then arrive at

"it's now $400 more expensive.."

the conclusion is not real because the fake numbers used to arrive at the conclusion are not real.

Ok, how about the real rate of $231/month total for my current bill....that will remain $231/month + the monthly costs of hardware if I DON'T sign a 2-year agreement for the subsidized device? Real enough for you?

Luckily, as I said earlier, I'm an existing customer and I CAN sign a 2-year contract and keep my $231/month as well as get a $450 subsidy on the new devices.
 
Yes, but because i know it's a S variation. But let me break it down:
4S - Siri and way better camera than the 4 (bumped to 8mp)
5S - TouchID, true tone flash. My 5 died too
6S - 12mp camera, up from 8. 3D touch

7? Kept the 6's design. It feels like a 6S second edition to me. Not upgrading, especially no 3.5mm headphone jack. I have a Shure SE846!!!!! Can't use it. And please don't say "there's an adapter". I KNOW, but I don't like to carry a dongle around.

"Shure"ly if you can afford Shure SE846's as your ear buds, you can afford a decent bluetooth headset.
 
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No. Goodbye then. We don't care. People that love Apple products are here for the long haul. Go get you some SamCrap or GoogleCrap. #batteryissues
Did I say something wrong? I'm just shopping for the best product. Is that not what you do with your money?

I love Apple products too, but I wouldn't say that I'm "in it for the long haul." I'm in it for whoever provides the best value for my dollar, whether it's Apple or somebody else.
 
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-No headphone jack Bummer, get over it.
-Disgusting adapter 'Disgusting'? Really?
-Lightning-only, no USB C Wasn't going to happen. Too soon for another port change.
-Horribly designed $159 Airpods with 5 hour battery In your opinion. I like them myself.

Welp. after 6s+ dies time to switch brands. Sorry to see you go. Close the door when you leave.
 
Fair enough. Only thing I would agree with, though, would be wireless charging.

Camera bump, while annoying, is okay if the phone is going to remain thin. With a case, phones get big enough.

As far as the display, we can only get to a certain PPI before it becomes really unnoticeable. I carry and iPhone 6S and a Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge Plus (1440 x 2560 pixels (~518 ppi pixel density)), and I really couldn't tell a discernible difference between the two in terms of clarity. Colors, sure, since the Galaxy uses OLED, but that would be it.
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Well, you're the one making the statements. Not me. :)

The reason you can't see the diff is because Samsung pentile 518 is equal to about 414 ppi on a LCD screen. So, basically the same to the Iphone's 400ppi.
 
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He's right.

It's absurd, ugly, a nuisance and a waste of money even if the price isn't that much.
huh? look:

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it's going to look and act the same as it has for the past few years.. it's a little extension of the thing you're plugging in.. like, where is this absurd/ugly/nuisance view coming from?

to me, wires themselves are most certainly a nuisance and arguable re: the absurdity/ugly bit..

how can you be so adamant claiming wires (with or without adapters) are so sensible, pretty, & convenient while completely missing the realization that you don't even have to use wires anymore ??

as in -- wired headphones are a nuisance and absurd.. wired headphones which have a 3" extension on the end are a nuisance and absurd..

it's like you're arguing about whose fart smells better.
 
You mean like how Jobs made an adaptor for every single technology that was replaced?
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It's courage if the replacement is better. It's arrogant if it's not.
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They used the default because it was easy. It's not anymore. As for the adaptor, you're assuming they will and you're assuming the majority will move on to wireless.
IT is better for me. Chill.
 
But you didn't pay $199 for the iPhone.

It's a $649 phone.

I most certainly did. Do you need a receipt from Apple?

Where did that other $450 go? You were certainly paying for it the whole time. It was just included in your total monthly payment.

That aspect has never been in question. We all know this.

As such... it's extremely difficult to compare an old $100/month plan with subsidies to a $100/month plan today for the reasons I explain below.



That's the thing though... all the plans have changed over the years.

You used to pick how many minutes you wanted. Not a big talker? Get a small voice plan and save money. Big texter? Get a huge text plan instead.

But I don't mean an OLD plan, I mean a plan from 2 years ago. Your long explanation is pointless. Stop digging up ancient history and compare 2014 Verizon subsidized plan with 2016 Verizon non-subsidized plans. They are the same stupid plans that actually cost more for slightly more data.
 
The reason you can't see the diff is because Samsung pentile 518 is equal to about 414 ppi on a LCD screen. So, basically the same to the Iphone's 400ppi.

I can totally see the difference...the note 7 screen obviously looks better than any iPhone screen......if you can't see that difference...get your vision checked
 
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