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You're definitely the exception these days. It will probably be your last and you'll be doing the full price or installments when you upgrade to the 8s in two years.
Is there an advantage to switching to the new plans?
 
You sound rather accident-prone, just don't complain when a lithium-ion battery explodes in your ear.

Nah, not accident-prone. I'm just a busy guy moving from place to place and sometimes those cables just get snagged on stuff.
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Please don't put words in my mouth. Forcing a with technology upon the consumer before it is ready when better performing alternatives exist is not innovation.

The iPhone 6 had full support for audio via Bluetooth, Lightning and 3.5mm. Removing the 3.5mm jack does not serve to benefit anybody other than Apple.

Well.....funny thing is......sometimes society doesn't see the benefit later down in the future. We eliminated the optical drive because NOW we saw how much better cloud storage and everything streaming is. Blu Rays and DVD players aren't as popular as Roku or Google's Chromecast or Apple TV due to the needlessness of optical drives with streaming content being more affordable and accessible. We got opted for wireless internet as oppose to hooking directly up via Ethernet to reduce cord clutter while in addition to offering wireless keyboards and mice. Also eliminating the 30 pin connector help usher in an era of a cable that was reversible no matter how you plugged it in...and now we're seeing phones and other devices using inductive charging to wirelessly charge. Was there anything wrong with any of this stuff before? No, not really. Nothing wrong with an optical drive or wired keyboards and mice or a solid internet connection through a cable or charging our phones and watches with cables tethered to the wall HOWEVER technology took off and made life simpler, a little more convenient. So you're staying that forcing a consumer to try a new technology EVEN though it's not perfected or performing better is not innovation than you've got quite a bit to learn, my dear friend, about the evolution of technology. You're only thinking of the now...maybe you ought to keep an open mind and start thinking of the 'what ifs'. If everybody though the same as you we'd still be churning butter, plowing fields by oxen, and bathing ourselves in boiling water in a kettle.
 
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I've seen a few posts saying "If you're in the EU you won't need Apple Care + on the upgrade programme."
For the UK folks remember that we are exempt from that because of the Consumer Rights Act 2015 which states that after 6 months the burden is on the consumer to prove that any fault is inherent should you wish to make a claim against a retailer. Basically you're going to have to pay for an engineer's assessment and then the retailer has it's discretion as to how to put you in the position you were before you're device broke - what is most cost effective to them
 
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"Depth of field shot taken with the iPhone 7 Plus dual-lens camera"

Only available later in the year with a software update? Why not on launch!!!
 
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Well it's not that simple. I will have to ditch my unlimited plan or pay an extraordinary amount. Now I have to select a share plan with less data. There are some positives - unlimited voice and text, and you do have an option to save money if you don't want to upgrade. But I personally don't like it for me.
I also have the original unlimited data plan. I checked with ATT and got their text message that my line is upgrade eligible "for a new smartphone with $0 down on AT&T Next." I recall skipping that when I got my 6plus because I'd lose my unlimited data. So if I'm reading all this right, I guess I won't be getting the 7.
 
Nah, not accident-prone. I'm just a busy guy moving from place to place and sometimes those cables just get snagged on stuff.
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Well.....funny thing is......sometimes society doesn't see the benefit later down in the future. We eliminated the optical drive because NOW we saw how much better cloud storage and everything streaming is. Blu Rays and DVD players aren't as popular as Roku or Google's Chromecast or Apple TV due to the needlessness of optical drives with streaming content being more affordable and accessible. We got opted for wireless internet as oppose to hooking directly up via Ethernet to reduce cord clutter while in addition to offering wireless keyboards and mice. Also eliminating the 30 pin connector help usher in an era of a cable that was reversible no matter how you plugged it in...and now we're seeing phones and other devices using inductive charging to wirelessly charge. Was there anything wrong with any of this stuff before? No, not really. Nothing wrong with an optical drive or wired keyboards and mice or a solid internet connection through a cable or charging our phones and watches with cables tethered to the wall HOWEVER technology took off and made life simpler, a little more convenient. So you're staying that forcing a consumer to try a new technology EVEN though it's not perfected or performing better is not innovation than you've got quite a bit to learn, my dear friend, about the evolution of technology. You're only thinking of the now...maybe you ought to keep an open mind and start thinking of the 'what ifs'. If everybody though the same as you we'd still be churning butter, plowing fields by oxen, and bathing ourselves in boiling water in a kettle.

I'm sold. I don't want the headphone jack if it means being boiled alive IN A KETTLE.
That sounds awful.
 
I've seen a few posts saying "If you're in the EU you won't need Apple Care + on the upgrade programme."
For the UK folks remember that we are exempt from that because of the Consumer Rights Act 2015 which states that after 6 months the burden is on the consumer to prove that any fault is inherent should you wish to make a claim against a retailer. Basically you're going to have to pay for an engineer's assessment and then the retailer has it's discretion as to how to put you in the position you were before you're device broke - what is most cost effective to them

If you get the phone from Apple and say you want to use your consumer rights, they just repair or replace the phone. They don't argue.
 
Probably been said already, but these prices in Europe are... completely off the charts :(

iphone 7 / 7+ :

US price : $ 649 / $ 769 => € 576 / € 683

Price over here : € 769 / € 909 or € 635 / € 751 without tax.

Why € 60-70 more ???

As a comparison : an S7 edge costs € 689 incl. tax over here, or € 220 less (25%) than a 7+. These prices cannot be justified any more, the Apple tax is getting rediculous.

Same goes for Apple watch, as I posted in the other thread.
 
How many people? Most of them? All of them?

Surely Apple did some research in relation to this.

I can think of four types of people:
  1. Those who never plug anything into the 3.5mm headphone jack
  2. Those who always use the included headphones
  3. Those who use Bluetooth headphones and/or Bluetooth in the car
  4. Those who rely on the 3.5mm headphone jack
I would imagine that #1, #2 and #3 combined are the majority of iPhone users. Just a gut feeling I have.

And for those who are #4... they still have the option of using a 3" extension cable (dongle, included) with their 3rd-party headphones.

I'm thinking Apple weighed the pros/cons on this matter. And they decided the jack could go.

I don't for a second believe that, when push comes to shove, many people will pass on the iPhone because of that.

I just said that in the context of the whole thing about whether or not removing standard tech is ever a bit of a gamble.
 
The headphone jack internals take up valuable space inside the phone and there would be no way to make the phone water resistant--without some kind of (easily misplaced) rubberized gasket for the headphone jack--so there is, indeed, a benefit to ditching it.
I get the space, but a battery takes up space inside too, but it isn't a valid reason to take it out. And I will point out again, I had an android that had an open headphone jack and was water resistant, it is just that Apple is too lazy to figure out how Sony did it, and is too obsessed with thinness.
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The problem, too, is no other manufacturer uses the lightning connector. I guess we need TWO sets of earbuds and TWO sets of headphones so we can use our OTHER NON-APPLE equipment?
We can't even use them on our Apple computers. I could get Apple trying to force people to wireless a little before the technology is to the point where it is as good or better than wired, but if they wanted to do that then they should have included wireless headphones in the box instead of trying to charge over $150 for them.
 
The Upgrade Program...is the £49 upfront fee just once or everytime you get a new iPhone? Do Apple take your old iPhone everytime which covers this?
 
The headphone jack internals take up valuable space inside the phone and there would be no way to make the phone water resistant--without some kind of (easily misplaced) rubberized gasket for the headphone jack--so there is, indeed, a benefit to ditching it.

To Apple's credit they managed to announce the removal of the headphone jack without resorting to any misinformation about it being necessary for water resistance. Does the lie really need to live on here in the forum? The only reason to make up imaginary explanations for the removal is if you think the real reasons are not good enough.
 
"Depth of field shot taken with the iPhone 7 Plus dual-lens camera"

Only available later in the year with a software update? Why not on launch!!!

They didn't make it on time.
It happens with software releases, and I think it was a good move to showcase the feature during the keynote even if it is not ready.
 
So how am I supposed to charge my iPhone and listen to music at the same time on if I'm listening via non-bluetooth or non-AirPods head/earphones?

At least they could have given us wireless charging. I guess we'll get that next year and Apple will market it as being innovative.

I guess to some as long as the hype machine Jony Ive can use big words, people will still buy whatever Tim Cook is selling.

https://xkcd.com/1172/

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I still use a 4S too. I'm debating if I want to get the 7 or wait until the 8. The other option would be just to spend a few bucks and get a new battery put in this one.

I have been using a Mophie battery case and my battery seems OK so far. However, the 4S seems very sluggish now compared to when I first purchased it. It might just be that as apps take advantage of all the bells and whistles of each new iteration of iOS makes this is unavoidable as phones become older.

The thing is, I am wondering about using the 4S as a dedicated GPS for hillwalking so I might replace the battery, add a waterproof battery case, and keep using it. I don't like waste....
 
Nice advertising for stereo:

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That's how it should be. But I'm sure stereo speakers both firing out of the bottom is the same. Lol.

They should have put another speaker on top for real stereo imagine. You know...like their ad.
 
The blind apostles who see no wrong in anything Apple do will never agree. In their opinion nobody does what you suggest so they can go ahead and drop the jack. Are you not a true believer?

LOL!!! Blind apostles???

I don't care about the headphone jack because I simply never charge and listen to music on headphones, on the rare occasion that I use wired headphones. I listen via BT in the car while the car is charging. And last winter I got sick of the headphones getting tangled with my coat and my scarf and my hat and my hair, with the wire tugging with all that extra stuff. I was already getting sick of getting tangled at the gym, so I got BT headphones. SO much freer now!!!!! And this winter it will be one less thing tugging at me without those wires.

That's being a blind apostle??? I call it being untethered. Convenient.

Drop the jack. I stopped using it last winter.
 
Besides hating dongles, it's just a major drop in function.

I'd say I charge my current phone while listening via headphones once or twice a week, and pretty much every time I fly. Can't do that when the plug to charge the phone is filled by my earphones.
 
It is good Apple is moving on to wireless future, but why is there no solution for charging and plugging the headphones at the same time? Wireless charging could have solved it, but they didnt do it in 2016.
Pity the ones who use a battery case, they will never be able to plug in headphones.
 
Besides hating dongles, it's just a major drop in function.

I'd say I charge my rent or two phone while listening via headphones once or twice a week, and pretty much every time I fly. Can't do that when the plug to charge the phone is filled by my earphones.


Wireless headphones are the future. There are many good and cheap ones available if you don't like the new ones from Apple. A year from now you will think you are crazy if wanted wires around you. Even for charging
 
You have to think wireless now. It's the future. A couple of years from now we will laugh at the option of wired earphones or even charging your phone. There are plenty of good cheap wireless earphones available now if you don't like the new Apple ones.
[doublepost=1473335024][/doublepost]You have to think wireless now. It's the future. A couple of years from now we will laugh at the option of wired earphones or even charging your phone. There are plenty of good cheap wireless earphones available now if you don't like the new Apple ones.
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huh? look:

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it's going to look and act the same as it has for the past few years.. it's a little extension of the thing you're plugging in.. like, where is this absurd/ugly/nuisance view coming from?

to me, wires themselves are most certainly a nuisance and arguable re: the absurdity/ugly bit..

how can you be so adamant claiming wires (with or without adapters) are so sensible, pretty, & convenient while completely missing the realization that you don't even have to use wires anymore ??

as in -- wired headphones are a nuisance and absurd.. wired headphones which have a 3" extension on the end are a nuisance and absurd..

it's like you're arguing about whose fart smells better.
 
Does anyone feel like 32 GB is enough? My current Moto X is only 32 GBs, and I've been getting by.
 
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