Apple Unveils iPhone 7 With Water Resistance, A10 Fusion, New 'Jet Black' Color, Updated Cameras, No Headphone Jack, and More

[doelcm82]

You can't charge while the adapter is plugged in. Come on now, please tell me you can comprehend.

I won't have the adapter plugged in. So I can charge.

If I needed to charge while an adapter was plugged in, I would buy an adapter that had some kind of passthrough. But I don't need such and adapter, so I won't be buying one. Apple's evil plan to get me to buy adapters has failed. Bwah hah hah! You can't make me buy adapters. Stop trying.

 

[flat five]

Ok, how about the real rate of $231/month total for my current bill....that will remain $231/month + the monthly costs of hardware if I DON'T sign a 2-year agreement for the subsidized device? Real enough for you?

no. because if you're paying 230/month now with a subsidized device... and you go get a new phone that's financed instead of 'subsidized'... i think you'll find your bill is going to remain around 230/month.

have you discussed this with your carrier and they told you these numbers or are you assuming them?

 

[Ihatefall]

I am getting so fed up with the Apple hypobole and lack of real innovation. Today was so underwhelming. Anyone else considering jumping ship to Android?

You'll be back.

Had a couple of friends go to android and couldn't wait to for their contract to end.

 

[Geckotek]

no. because if you're paying 230/month now with a subsidized device... and you go get a new phone that's financed instead of 'subsidized'... i think you'll find your bill is going to remain around 230/month.

have you discussed this with your carrier and they told you these numbers or are you assuming them?

Unless the lower the monthly access fees for non-subsidized devices....and no, I have only used their website to check the plans available to me about a month ago.

IF they discount the access fees enough to cover the cost of the former subsidy ($450/24 months/per device), then everything will even out in my book.

 

[demodave]

Apple today announced the 4.7-inch iPhone 7 and 5.5-inch iPhone 7 Plus at its "See You on the 7th" media event in San Francisco.

Article Link: Apple Unveils iPhone 7 With Water Resistance, A10 Fusion, New 'Jet Black' Color, Updated Cameras, No Headphone Jack, and More

iPhone 7? Damn! I coulda sworn, it was going to be the iPhone 6se and 6se Plus!

Now I gotta eat my hat!

Probably still gonna buy the new one, because my iPhone 6 is 24 months old.

Does anybody have a shaker of salt?

 

[44267547]

Actually, no. The stereo speaker is on the other end. It is an adapted ear speaker.

I'm eager to hear the audio with the speakers. I use my speakerphone slot for calls and so forth, it should be beneficial for me.

 

[flat five]

Unless the lower the monthly access fees for non-subsidized devices....and no, I have only used their website to check the plans available to me about a month ago.

IF they discount the access fees enough to cover the cost of the former subsidy ($450/24 months), then everything will even out in my book.

well, I don't think you and I use the same carrier (I don't know what an 'access fee' is) but I would look into a bit further. you might be surprised.

personally, im paying a bit less per month with my 6s (financed) than with the 5s (subsidized) due to a slightly different plan.. if I didn't change plans, my bill would of been nearly identical.

 

[Anonymous Freak]

The iPhone 7 Plus differentiates itself from the 4.7-inch handset with a dual-lens 12-megapixel camera featuring all the same features, but is much more advanced, including a wide-angle lens and a separate telephoto lens that combine to create 2x optical zoom and 10x digital zoom features. The ISP dual-lens camera is also capable of producing live shallow depth of field shots and "bokeh" effects in preview mode.

Depth of field shot taken with the iPhone 7 Plus dual-lens camera​

Article Link: Apple Unveils iPhone 7 With Water Resistance, A10 Fusion, New 'Jet Black' Color, Updated Cameras, No Headphone Jack, and More

One nice thing, I won't have to give up any of my iPhone 6s cases for the iPhone 7. All of them have a big enough cutout for the bigger camera bump.

And as for the depth of field shot - Schiller announced "This was taken on a high-end camera" and I instantly knew it was the iPhone 7 using software-trickery for depth-of-field. How? The background is out of focus, but the sky reflected in the glasses isn't. Reflections have the same depth-of-field as the thing being reflected. If you take that photo on a real high-end DSLR or really any lens with a big sensor and low f-stop number, you will get a similar result, only the reflection of the sky on the glasses will be out of focus, too, because it is "far away" to the camera.

 

[Michael Scrip]

I most certainly did. Do you need a receipt from Apple?

That aspect has never been in question. We all know this.

I have no doubt that you handed someone $199 in a store. But the question is where the other $450 went.

But I don't mean an OLD plan, I mean a plan from 2 years ago. Your long explanation is pointless. Stop digging up ancient history and compare 2014 Verizon subsidized plan with 2016 Verizon non-subsidized plans. They are the same stupid plans that actually cost more for slightly more data.

Yep... that's what I found.

2014 Verizon - iPhone - subsidized:

$199 down
Unlimited voice/text
2GB data
Total = $75/month

2016 Verizon - iPhone - device payments:

No money down
Unlimited voice/text
2GB data
$27/month for the phone
$20/month for "line fee" (voice/text)
$35/month for data
Total = $82/month

In this example... it actually costs a more per month in 2016 than it did in 2014.

But that's for a paltry 2GB. It appears to be cheaper today when you want more data.

I found a 10GB plan from 2014 with a subsidized phone for $140 a month... whereas you can get 12GB today with phone payments for only $127.

So I dunno.

I have learned something today though... the carriers purposefully switch the plans around to confuse us! They must do this so they can raise the price and we have no way of knowing how much it changed!

 

[Oridus]

I have no doubt that you handed someone $199 in a store. But the question is where the other $450 went.





Yep... that's what I found.

2014 Verizon - iPhone - subsidized:

$199 down
Unlimited voice/text
2GB data
Total = $75/month

2016 Verizon - iPhone - device payments:

No money down
Unlimited voice/text
2GB data
$27/month for the phone
$20/month for "line fee" (voice/text)
$35/month for data
Total = $82/month

In this example... it actually costs a more per month in 2016 than it did in 2014.

But that's for a paltry 2GB. It appears to be cheaper today when you want more data.

I found a 10GB plan from 2014 with a subsidized phone for $140 a month... whereas you can get 12GB today with phone payments for only $127.

So I dunno.

I have learned something today though... the carriers purposefully switch the plans around to confuse us! They must do this so they can raise the price and we have no way of knowing how much it changed!

Are we still number crunching this stuff? I seriously thought we were over this. *sigh*

 

[576316]

Probably £599 for the phone and £119 for AppleCare. Your decision whether you want AppleCare or not. If you look after your phone, its not really needed with EU consumer laws.

Yes but they don't offer the upgrade program without Apple Care. That's just their standard financing with no yearly upgrade.
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Actually, it's the fools and the idiots who don't have a budget. I don't understand where all the hate is coming from today. Hate the phone if you want, but I've already been called a fool and an idiot in the span of 5 minutes for buying a phone that I can afford? #wtfmate

I guarantee the poster just got his account suspended. Personal insults are against forum rules.

 

[hakonik]

That bokeh on 7+ camera is way too artificial. It may pass for a someone who has never used a SLR, but I bet every prosumer and pro out there will have hard time digesting those images.

 

[NMSUballa]

I guess it's time to upgrade from my 4S.....

I still use a 4S too. I'm debating if I want to get the 7 or wait until the 8. The other option would be just to spend a few bucks and get a new battery put in this one.

 

[adamneer]

If you can't cover $20, don't buy an iPhone at all.

What a stupid argument. Surely if I can cover $750 I can cover $770 right? And if I can cover $770, why not $790? Actually, why not make it an even $800? But if it's already $800, what's another $10? So $810, or maybe we should go to $815. This is that old faulty logic of "why get a diet Coke if you're eating a cheeseburger and fries?" The reason is you have to stop somewhere.

 

[flat five]

That bokeh on 7+ camera is way too artificial. It may pass for a someone who has never used a SLR, but I bet every prosumer and pro out there will have hard time digesting those images.

i don't know.. i think more images will be required than the few i've seen for a more accurate judgement but i don't really think the bokeh has an artificial look to it.. where as using smthng like gaussian blur on an in-focused background does.

it seems as if the shorter lens is focusing on the foreground while the background is being shot through the long lens which is out of focus.. or- the bokeh is true optical based blurring and the focused foreground is also true optical focus..

like- it's not an instagram/software filter and is instead a result of using multiple lenses to shoot a single frame.

this opens up some interesting possibilities down the line (for photography as well as non-photography usages such as scanning).. maybe to the point where an SLR user would be-- "hmm.. wish i could do that with my camera"

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again though-- more sample images are necessary and i may change the above thoughts down the line.

 

[Wowereit]

The A10 is very interesting in that Apple added 2 extra low power cores. The real advantage for Apple is their tight control of hardware/software. I bet that Apple will have some very specific scheduling going on with all the iOS threads (since they'll know exactly how much processor power they'll need) and will move a lot of OS specific items to the low power cores. So while your phone is in standby or doing background tasks all day it's going to be using these cores primarily.

This concept is used in almost all chips inside of Android phones for years now.
It's called big.LITTLE architecture and is the reason why some iOS-people are always laughing about the amount of cores in Android phones.

An Exynos 8890 oder Snapdragon 810 is not a real octacore, these are quadcores with another low power quadcore for power saving. A10 is a dualcore with another low power dualcore for power saving.

Of course it's still true that Apple is building the best ARM CPUs, but not by the astronomic 2 cores crushing 8 cores margin that some people believed in.

 

[adamneer]

i don't know.. i think more images will be required than the few i've seen for a more accurate judgement but i don't really think the bokeh has an artificial look to it.. where as using smthng like gaussian blur on an in-focused background does.

it seems as if the shorter lens is focusing on the foreground while the background is being shot through the long lens which is out of focus.. or- the bokeh is true optical based blurring and the focused foreground is also true optical focus..

like- it's not an instagram/software filter and is instead a result of using multiple lenses to shoot a single frame.

this opens up some interesting possibilities down the line (for photography as well as non-photography usages such as scanning).. maybe to the point where an SLR user would be-- "hmm.. wish i could do that with my camera"

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again though-- more sample images are necessary and i may change the above thoughts down the line.

The bokeh is definitely a software effect - it's demonstrated in the keynote. I thought it was done in a way similar to your assumption, but after seeing the keynote, the way it's actually done is much simpler. Since the 2 cameras are coplanar and offset a short distance from each other, they are able to create a depth map internally, similar to how a 3D camera is set up (using the same principals of human eyes). I'm guessing some form of distortion correction allows both lenses to capture a relatively similar field of view. Then it's just down to software to apply a box blur to the black or near black areas of the depth map. It's actually impressive this can all be done so quickly, especially with the ability to see a live view on screen. But it's likely discernible to anyone familiar with either DSLR or simulated depth effects in Photoshop.

 

[Michael Scrip]

i don't know.. i think more images will be required than the few i've seen for a more accurate judgement but i don't really think the bokeh has an artificial look to it.. where as using smthng like gaussian blur on an in-focused background does.

it seems as if the shorter lens is focusing on the foreground while the background is being shot through the long lens which is out of focus.. or- the bokeh is true optical based blurring and the focused foreground is also true optical focus..

like- it's not an instagram/software filter and is instead a result of using multiple lenses to shoot a single frame.

this opens up some interesting possibilities down the line (for photography as well as non-photography usages such as scanning).. maybe to the point where an SLR user would be-- "hmm.. wish i could do that with my camera"

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again though-- more sample images are necessary and i may change the above thoughts down the line.

I wonder if both sensors can be used to capture a single image for the purposes of reducing noise.

I've seen examples where you can take a few photos and combine them together using "median blending"

The idea is that each photo would have a different noise pattern... and the processor can examine the differences to filter out the noise.

While I'm happy with a wide-angle lens and a 2x lens... I hope both cameras can also work some magic together.

 

[adamneer]

I wonder if both sensors can be used to capture a single image for the purposes of reducing noise.

I've seen examples where you can take a few photos and combine them together using "median blending"

The idea is that each photo would have a different noise pattern... and the processor can examine the differences to filter out the noise.

While I'm happy with a wide-angle lens and a 2x lens... I hope both cameras can also work some magic together.

Whatever you'd gain from this potential would likely be offset by the distortion correction necesary to give both lenses the same field of view. But what WILL be helpful for noise is that iOS 10 allows RAW image data output (although it doesn't seem to be a feature integrated into the stock app). Meaning you'll be able to utilize much better post noise correction than what Apple has been using since the 6 (which is quite terrible to be honest).

 

[ClockWork72]

Ya, I'm annoyed by the move. But them deciding to pull the plug (hehe) is truly an act of courage. Time will tell if it was also intelligent.

I hardly ever used the jack anymore anyways all my headphones have been bluetooth for over a year now.

 

[super chimp]

That bokeh on 7+ camera is way too artificial. It may pass for a someone who has never used a SLR, but I bet every prosumer and pro out there will have hard time digesting those images.

Yeah but they aren't the target audience for this and anyway pointing out that the camera isn't like a DSLR is fairly self evident.

 

[ClockWork72]

Once again not wowed and nostalgic for the ol' days when Steve Jobs would get me excited with some BS that he made seem like magic. I was thinking about skipping this upgrade cycle but I think I might just start up the iPhone upgrade program already, might as well I guess, still a apple whore but hoping to get a lil more excitement out of these announcements.

You've lost that lovin' feelin'
Whoa, that lovin' feelin'
You've lost that lovin' feelin'
Now it's gone...gone...gone...woah

 

[hakonik]

Yeah but they aren't the target audience for this and anyway pointing out that the camera isn't like a DSLR is fairly self evident.

Yes I know, they are not claiming to replace SLR. And there is nothing wrong in adding a feature that no one is forced to use. I was just saying that at least in the current samples, the bokeh looks extremely dull and artificial.

Now that also Apple is doing it, it may well be that similar plasticy look becomes so norm that no one except the pros are bothered about it.

 

[Piggie]

I'm keen to hear what people here think of the new sound quality and TWICE AND LOUDNESS of the new iPhone.
It seems great and I'm all for it. Stereo and louder = excellent news.

What I'm keen to know also is, the bottom speaker IS the real same speaker with the speaker ports.
The new speaker at the top is the earpiece speaker you listen to calls with, which is a totally different speaker, pointing in a totally different angle, with sound coming thru a totally different slot.

I'll be interested to know how balanced the sound is given you in general never use different speakers to either side of a stereo setup.

 

[Loge]

"Shure"ly if you can afford Shure SE846's as your ear buds, you can afford a decent bluetooth headset.

Do you have any suggestions for bluetooth ear buds with similar sound quality to the SE846s?