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Apple Unveils New 13-Inch and 15-Inch MacBook Pros With Retina 'Touch Bar'
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Both my XPS 15 and the PC I've build have TB3. A lot of new motherboards have USB-C and a few of the ASUS boards have TB3. Should become fairly common in the next year.
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Depends how you use it. On the XPS 15 it's okay for occasional use when you are showing someone else something. On a surface it works because you use the device laid flat, and then it works very well. Don't believe me go into a shop and try a surface laid flat and use the pen.
I think it is the same price because it comes with a 256 SSD. The previous 256 SSD was 1499. This replacement without Touch Bar is $1499.
Not sure what the base 13" MacBook Pro came with but if the base came with 128GB SSD then my mistake.
No doubt, and I agree. We've been waiting a LONG time. Most of us have been waiting since the Powerbook G5 if you can remember. We'll be waiting some more. Apple won't sacrifice anything for thinness, and some of the best hardware in regards to portable top-end windows PCs isn't very svelt.
We're heading towards how Europe is or how New York is right now, at least in the top 3 major cities. We're eventually going to have to live like the rest of the world.
[doublepost=1477619350][/doublepost]so will they ever make a quad-core 13" i think we've been waiting more then 12 years for this.
As someone who has been living more or less in suspended animation with my 2009 MacBook Pro, waiting year after year for something worth upgrading to, this seems like a pretty great upgrade to come out of suspension for. A touchstrip is a cool addition, since presumably no one can afford a full touchscreen on a laptop, so as a half-way step in that direction it makes sense. A 2015-era CPU is a huge leap forward, and this SSD thing sounds pretty miraculous and worth the shrinkage in hard drive space. 16GB RAM is like double what my 09 machine has, so that's nice. And I'm sure now that it's the future we must have have all abandoned the myriad ports I use every day in favor of food in pill form and a single port shape. Maybe I might have hoped for jet packs and a unified laptop/ipad, but I know that's dreaming -- so from the point of view of 2009, this seems like a pretty good deal! (Though boy, there must have been some pretty heavy inflation over the last 5 years for prices like those.)
That's why the touch bar is a better implementation then a touch screen in a laptop, bc it's flat. That's also why a touch screen is not important bc you use it "occasionally" on a laptop. On the other hand, the touch bar will have so much more usage.
Does Apple have the ability to provide us with a touch screen? Of course. Did they do research to see if it's useful or there're better ways? Of course. Hence the touch bar.
I can't disagree that the price is higher than we had hoped, but the new machines have a much better display, much faster memory, and faster SSD. They are also lighter and smaller....
Ugh... I was anticipating the low end 15" would be $2k with 512GB. Now I'd have to spend $2,600. Really annoyed right now. Still running a 2008 MPB and it's been too slow for a while obviously.
Completely agree. The new 15" base at $2399 is $500 too much. $1899 and they would sell well.
Love my (now past gen) 15" MBP. Apple has given me no reason to buy a new machine.
Really disappointed.
But if you saw the presentation you'd know it's a way faster machine with a much better display.
I heard of only one USC-C headphones right now - JBL - reflect aware C. I know intel is pushing it..
BUT... this is the real kicker.. You can't charge you iphone 7 to your new macbook, you can't dock your new iphone 7 either without buying a dongle or buying a new cable to your new laptop. BUT then you will also need a separate dongle if you want to use lightning headphones with your new 3000 dollar macbook pro touch bar laptop!
So right off the bat, you will need to carry two new dongles... That's courage!
Now really, apart of an external graphics card, what will you be doing with 40 Gbps? I work in a field where I'm surrounded by 10/40/100 Gbit/s connections on devices that cost millions. And I just don't see why anyone would need anything that fast on a notebook, Because there are no external devices that are that fast in private-land. At least for the foreseeable future. If you were buying a NetApp All-Flash storage server with 40 Gbps, ok, got it, that's reasonable. But a Notebook?
So basically they charge 300$ for better Display/faster Memory/Faster Flash but offer the same specs in terms of RAM amount and Flash space compared to a 2013 Model. At least I personally do not need faster storage, faster RAM or brighter display or more colors. What I need is MORE RAM and MORE storage. Do people really care if they get 1GB/s or 3GB/s read speed on their Flash-Drive? It's already so fast that I can't send data that fast to my storage servers, and I can't see/feel any difference in terms of speed while using the computer (comparing 2013 and 2015 Retina).
Just to get the same RAM and storage as a 3 year old device you'll be paying 300$ more. That's no evolution/revolution that's a step backwards. Not to mention those bloody adapters one would need (or at least I'd need)...
I agree and disagree. I disagree, because I think the Touchbar concept is brilliant. I agree when it comes to implementation: the Touchbar is unnecessarily thin. I can't think of any technical reason why it couldn't be at least as thick (meaning wide in up & down direction) as the keyboard keys. Surely the extra cost would be well under $20. And why just a strip above the keyboard? There is plenty of wasted space on either side of the keyboard (esp. on the 15") where similar OLED "pads" could be placed. Then again, why not make each key on the keyboard into a "smart" key? You could hit a toggle key to switch from QWERTY to task mode, turning the keyboard into a giant, context sensitive toolbar.
and where does the SD card from my camera go...?
Oh, another adapter to carry around, wonderful..
Oh, another adapter to carry around, wonderful..
So disappointing. Why have a 'Touch Bar' when you could design a touch screen?
Apple laptops are now severely lagging behind Windows, it's embarrassing.
If you are going to integrate touch technology, do both. Apple are keen to show off how the 'Touch Bar' will aid apps. A touch screen along with the 'Touch Bar' could do even more. Madness. It's almost as if Apple are scared to change the MacBook too much because they don't want to step on iPad.
So what?
If people don't like a touch screen they just wont use it. At least give creative people all the tech tools.
Apple laptops are now severely lagging behind Windows, it's embarrassing.
If you are going to integrate touch technology, do both. Apple are keen to show off how the 'Touch Bar' will aid apps. A touch screen along with the 'Touch Bar' could do even more. Madness. It's almost as if Apple are scared to change the MacBook too much because they don't want to step on iPad.
So what?
If people don't like a touch screen they just wont use it. At least give creative people all the tech tools.
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These new MacBook Pros looks pretty awesome, the best they ever made actually from the looks of it IMO. But a bit pricy, unfortunately yeah.
I have always liked the idea of function keys, but in practice their problem has always been that they can't show context, so they end up being pretty much useless. The touch bar looks like it will solve that, and provide functionality beyond what was ever possible with function keys to begin with.
I have always liked the idea of function keys, but in practice their problem has always been that they can't show context, so they end up being pretty much useless. The touch bar looks like it will solve that, and provide functionality beyond what was ever possible with function keys to begin with.
Sadly I am now priced out of Apple.
I refuse to pay that sort of money for a MacBook. Shame as I've Been waiting a long time for a decent new mac!
I've had enough now of silly things like you can't increase the storage on the entry touch bar model. I can't see any reason for this other than forcing you to pay even more.
That's it. I'm finally done. The iPhone 7 plus feels meh to me and I am starting to really find it hard to justify an Apple purchase.
Where has the once great Apple gone?? Sadly I think Mr Cook has ruined them.
This is the price we pay for a serious lack of competition
No doubt they'll still sell bucket loads!
I refuse to pay that sort of money for a MacBook. Shame as I've Been waiting a long time for a decent new mac!
I've had enough now of silly things like you can't increase the storage on the entry touch bar model. I can't see any reason for this other than forcing you to pay even more.
That's it. I'm finally done. The iPhone 7 plus feels meh to me and I am starting to really find it hard to justify an Apple purchase.
Where has the once great Apple gone?? Sadly I think Mr Cook has ruined them.
This is the price we pay for a serious lack of competition
No doubt they'll still sell bucket loads!
US-Prices are without taxes, so it'll be around the same price in the end of the day...