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Never. The desktops will either 1) be phased out soon or 2) the tiny battery in a wireless keyboard won't power it for long and Apple is against wired peripherals.

I don't need a lightweight cardboard keyboard, if the iPhone can do it for a month then the magic keyboard sure as hell can. Why would anybody switch to mobile devices with much smaller screens? And also just because iOS is becoming more and more prevalent doesn't mean that such important hardware is becoming obsolete.

In a business point of view as well, Apple is doing everything they can to integrate with other services and companies, e.g. IBM, Microsoft, and acquisition of more and more companies on the desktop iMac's for work and business.
 
Is Apple THAT out of touch with the pro/creative crowd?

I'm a creative director and lead a team of 15 creative professionals. I think I can speak for a good chunk of designers, video editors, photographers whether in-house, agency or freelance... if you are using a MBP, most of the time it will be connected to a bigger display, keyboard and mouse. See Apple's own marketing image below for reference.

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For that reason alone... this work setup renders the Touch Bar completely useless. Sure maybe there will be times when we're "undocked" from our desk at a coffee shop, on public transit or in a meeting... and sure on those occasions we'll possibly tinker with it a little bit... but when real work needs to get done, the Touch Bar is unreachable and out of sight.

A non-Touch Bar 15-inch option would have been nice. Definitely a weird vibe to this event...

Just my two cents.
 
I'm a creative professional too. On Wednesday I watched Microsoft unveil an amazing looking Studio desktop and I felt (much to my surprise ) "wow - these guys understand creatives. I'm excited !"

Yesterday I saw Apple unveil an amazing laptop and I felt really disappointed I felt, "wow, these guys are taking the p*ss". It was an awkward event in the smallest location they could find and had the emporers new suit vibe about it.

I hate to say it but my 2011 MacBook Pro with 1TB HDD might be thicker, heavier and slower but it's not going to be replaced like I thought it was before Thur.

I bought it as an entry level machine back then for 1200 Euro. The entry level machine for 2016 looks to be ,what, 20% more expensive with less memory than my last iPhone? Sorry Apple, that's just nuts.

On a side note, my old man has been a Windows user his whole life but lately he's been through a string of entry level laptops which just don't last. He's gradually come round to the idea that he's fed up with Windows and wants to try a Mac for the first time in his life.

Driving along with him lately he often brings it up as if he's trying to justify the expense (he's retired). He'll say "I know they're more expensive but I think they'll last longer..." I reassure him this is true but he brings up the internal HDD size. I tell him he has options ... Replace the drive or use an external drive or don't store his photography internally etc

During the week I tell him " wait until Thursday". There'll be new more powerful MacBooks for the same price. It's been so long since they released a MacBook that the Ram, SSD and everything will be cheaper. They've gone down in price since 2011 when I bought mine"

Later I'll have to tell him that actually, the specs are arguably better in some ways but the HDD is smaller and the whole thing costs even more! :-/

I genuinely wish Apple the best but I hope this release hurts them a little and they wise up to how long time users since the Jobs days feel lately.
 
I wish hackintosh was reliable.
I suppose it is so long as you don't try to upgrade all the time. I would guess it's all about getting everything stable and then locking it down, and staying offline (security wise) I guess. But that's not a huge compromise for an affordable workstation.
*blink*

Guess Apple should be happy that people don't know how easy Hackintoshing is and how well the final result works.
 
That's why the touch bar is a better implementation then a touch screen in a laptop, bc it's flat. That's also why a touch screen is not important bc you use it "occasionally" on a laptop. On the other hand, the touch bar will have so much more usage.

Does Apple have the ability to provide us with a touch screen? Of course. Did they do research to see if it's useful or there're better ways? Of course. Hence the touch bar.

For every day stuff the touch bar looks useful, but I'd still rather have graphics tablet (Wacom, etc) for photo editing.

It's all a mute point however as the MacBook Pro is still stuck with a 16GB RAM limit - I need 32.
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I'm a creative professional too. On Wednesday I watched Microsoft unveil an amazing looking Studio desktop and I felt (much to my surprise ) "wow - these guys understand creatives. I'm excited !"

Yesterday I saw Apple unveil an amazing laptop and I felt really disappointed I felt, "wow, these guys are taking the p*ss". It was an awkward event in the smallest location they could find and had the emporers new suit vibe about it.

I hate to say it but my 2011 MacBook Pro with 1TB HDD might be thicker, heavier and slower but it's not going to be replaced like I thought it was before Thur.

I bought it as an entry level machine back then for 1200 Euro. The entry level machine for 2016 looks to be ,what, 20% more expensive with less memory than my last iPhone? Sorry Apple, that's just nuts.

On a side note, my old man has been a Windows user his whole life but lately he's been through a string of entry level laptops which just don't last. He's gradually come round to the idea that he's fed up with Windows and wants to try a Mac for the first time in his life.

Driving along with him lately he often brings it up as if he's trying to justify the expense (he's retired). He'll say "I know they're more expensive but I think they'll last longer..." I reassure him this is true but he brings up the internal HDD size. I tell him he has options ... Replace the drive or use an external drive or don't store his photography internally etc

During the week I tell him " wait until Thursday". There'll be new more powerful MacBooks for the same price. It's been so long since they released a MacBook that the Ram, SSD and everything will be cheaper. They've gone down in price since 2011 when I bought mine"

Later I'll have to tell him that actually, the specs are arguably better in some ways but the HDD is smaller and the whole thing costs even more! :-/

I genuinely wish Apple the best but I hope this release hurts them a little and they wise up to how long time users since the Jobs days feel lately.

Look at the XPS 13 and XPS 15.
 
I like the Touch Bar. I have a Mac Pro. Would it have been nice to release a new keyboard, with this incorporated, at the same time? So we can all use it?
 
This! I could care less about a overpriced laptop. I've never owned a Mac and would be interested in a more affordable Mac Mini to compliment my custom built gaming rig just to play around with. Just to experience Mac OS.

Yes because when Apple redesigns something they always make it more affordable. The current Mini is as cheap as it is going to get if you want to experience OS X just for your own amusement.
 
I can't disagree that the price is higher than we had hoped, but the new machines have a much better display, much faster memory, and faster SSD. They are also lighter and smaller....

So if you think every new things needs to be more expensive than the previous, then every new computer should be more expensive, every phone, tv, etc. 2000$ iPhone, 5000$ macs for the base model.
 
I can't wait for someone to take a photo of a fully dongled new rMBP – with "old" USB, "old" HDMI, "old" SD reader, T3-to-Lightning and the Griffin fake-Magsafe dongles. It will make an awesome avatar. How come they didn't launch a Courage line of dongles? "Have Courage, friends – available today at €199"
 
Even one day after it I still believe Apple should have done something unyve like and keep the old dimensions but make the battery bigger and keep the top notch keyboard.

Just rewatched and it and I still think the touchbar is in the wrong place, it's just awkward to use (just look at the DJ), should have placed it over the trackpad. Also I don't know how looking at a tiny screen is faster then shortcuts like cmd plus B for bold texts.

Is there potential ? Yes but just like force touch it will depend how many developers are jumping on board and I'm not talking about the big dogs.

Microsoft and Apple are nuts 2.000 bucks for 13 inch laptops with a dual core.

If these bad boys had a quad core option, expandable SSD, Ram, bigger battery and better screen then yes I can justify almost 2.000 making sense but for a worse keyboard, only dual core, only 2 TB spots and a worse keyboard just doesn't make sense to me which is a shame because I'm not a fan of Windows 10.

Also I would be surprised if the touch bar works with anything other than Mac os.
 
The fail was removing the headphone jack from the phone.

The fail was not getting the airpods out on time. Now I have to find the courage to untangle mu standard headphones when I use my mac and then use the lightning ones when I want to switch to my phone. Their wireless solution has doubled the cords for me in ths
This is absolute crap!!!!

Apple removes the 3.5mm jack from the iPhone 7 forcing the use of wireless or the Lightning port connected headphones (or the use of some stupid Lighting to 3.5mm converter).

So then consumers go out and purchase Lighting connected headphones and now the arrogant idiots release the new MacBook WITH a 3.5mm audio jack and NO Lighting connector.

Apple just finished telling everyone last month that the 3.5mm jack is a horrible outdated technology and we all should run out and purchase wireless or Lighting connected headphones.

Also I am sure it has been brought up but we just bought Iphone 7 with the old USB on one end. So we need a dongle or probably a new connector for syncing and charging? If this is the case Apple should bundle this in with every Mac. It isn't like we are using 3 year old phones when they pulled this change. It seems like they coould throw a dog a bone on this one to help ease the pain of the transition.

The airpods not being out means I have my lightning cable and headphone cable for using my mac and my phone all tangled up on my table now. Yes, these are all first world problems but sometimes it seems we are paying for the best user experience and it is painful at times.
 
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A strange announcement. Should have kept SD. I don't mind about the rest. Touch Bar looks neat. Prices are astronomical. I'd love a new 15" but this first revision of the new gen tells me to wait for the first refresh and a 32gb ram option, or a refurb when they become available. Otherwise, finances probably limit me to a 13", as important as a dGPU is to me. I can spare the HD upgrades to save money, but the thing I loathe most about modern day MBP's is the lack of user serviceability. The 13" will make a great Air replacement that does it all, but i'll be eating popcorn for a while longer on the 15.
 
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I can't wait for someone to take a photo of a fully dongled new rMBP – with "old" USB, "old" HDMI, "old" SD reader, T3-to-Lightning and the Griffin fake-Magsafe dongles. It will make an awesome avatar. How come they didn't launch a Courage line of dongles? "Have Courage, friends – available today at €199"

Unless someone do it just to prove a point, you'll be surprised as how little we need those extra things. Most people thought they need all kinds of ports but in real usage, they really use it very occasionally. I've notice that I haven't used anything else except for a display adapter from time to time to hook up to a monitor. Everything else is all in the cloud now. Carrying USB sticks and sd cards are so inconvenient now.
 
I'm a creative director and lead a team of 15 creative professionals. I think I can speak for a good chunk of designers, video editors, photographers whether in-house, agency or freelance... if you are using a MBP, most of the time it will be connected to a bigger display, keyboard and mouse. See Apple's own marketing image below for reference.
I'm not a designer, but during the photoshop demo yesterday, I couldn't help but think of how people would not be on a laptop only for most of their work. If they were on a MBP, it would be connected to monitor, keyboard, maybe a wacom tablet etc. I actually think however they'd be more apt to use some sort of desktop and not a laptop
 
Bluetooth sound quality still sucks compared to the "ancient" headphone jack.

As I mentioned a good number of quality Bluetooth headphones also come with a cable you can plugin. And you can't tell me a $300+ pair of wired headphones sounds vastly superior to a $300+ pair of Bluetooth headphones. The $350 Bose Bluetooth headphones are getting widely praised across the board. If you are dropping over $400 on a pair of headphones, then yeah, there may not be a great Bluetooth option for you yet but that isn't the vast majority of consumers.

I acknowledge there are audiophiles out there but a lot of complainers just want to complain because they don't like change, especially if that change involves spending money replacing something they assumed would exist into their grave. Wireless everything is the future and I can't wait for the complaints from people outraged they can no longer plug their toaster into the wall.
 
The biggest disappointment for me yesterday was the announcement of LG 5k monitors to go along with the new macbook pro. Under SJ, we would have saw two new Cinemea Displays or some other cool name and they would have be Apple branded monitors. Maybe still developed and built by LG, but Apple branded. Not sure why Tim and team did not go there. They definitely are not afraid of high prices (apple branded would probably demand a higher price).
 
Unless someone do it just to prove a point, you'll be surprised as how little we need those extra things.
Personally I use:
– SD for Time Machine
– USB for second backup (I'm paranoid like that), connecting my camera and – rarely – charging my phone
– HDMI to connect to TV (my TV is old and doesn't do any of this fanceh casting stuff, and yes, I am aware I could go around that but I'm happy to use a cable I already have)
– MagSafe for MagSafe

I used the headphone jack on my MBP a grand total of 1 times, as opposed to using it pretty much daily with my phone.
 
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Depends what you're intending to do with it tbh, specs are important to me but most computers for the last couple of years have been good enough for most tasks and keyboard & screen are really what matter to me now, developer/CompSci student so I spend a huge amount of time typing (hence the vehement dislike for the touch bar).
The 2015 MBP is still rocking the same CPU as the 2014 one, they bumped graphics & added force touch in 2015 which was a little underwhelming and why I decided to wait it out until the next release..which was clearly a mistake. All in all they're okay and fairly future proof unless you're editing 4K footage ha, but you're paying a vast amount more than is reasonable for it, so I'd aim for a refurbished one, and you've got decent IO even if you're missing out on thunderbolt 3/type-C.

Well I've decided to purchase a refurbished 15" MBP Mid 2015 with base processor, 16gb RAM, and 256MB SSD later today. I am a Psychology PhD Student so mostly data analysis, word processing, and browsing the web for lit reviews. Was told that RAM was more necessary than processing speeds and since the 15" is already a quad core I figure I'm pretty safe for the next 4-5 years with this set-up. Hopefully by then Mac prices will come back to previous price points. Either that or I get filthy rich somehow.

Anyway, thanks for your input. What are you figuring to get?
 
Personally I use:
– SD for Time Machine
– USB for second backup (I'm paranoid like that), connecting my camera and – rarely – charging my phone
– HDMI to connect to TV (my TV is old and doesn't do any of this fanceh casting stuff, and yes, I am aware I could go around that but I'm happy to use a cable I already have)
– MagSafe for MagSafe

I used the headphone jack on my MBP a grand total of 1 times, as opposed to using it pretty much daily with my phone.

it's just some know it all trying to speak for everyone. Most of them don't even understand that not everyone wants and is online all the time, I.e. cloud access.

I use:
- SD to backup stuff on my phone, move stuff around without Bluetooth
- HDMI to connect to my TV, display
- USB to connect to my printer. Yes, I do print stuff because I need real paper to learn the stuff better
- I think magsafe was an awesome
- Also I need an USB port for my mouse and to connect my external usb hdd

Sadly there is no Dell store in Austria so I can't compare them one on one once the new MBP will hit the shelves, I will for sure try it out but so far the XPS seems to be the better option.
 
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2. I well for those prices 512GB should be the standard.
Exactly.

I have to admit, I was hugely disappointed with the prices on these. First of all, I feel like the notion of "progress," in general, should provide us with "more"; i.e., new features like Touch Bar should be added as part of the general progress of the platform, not at additional cost to customers. Secondly, a 256GB drive on a machine like this is just embarrassing.

Now, having contributed my mandatory bit of moaning (required by Macrumors membership, afaik), I have to say that these machines look pretty awesome. People calling the Touch Bar useless should really get a grip—it's brilliant, and has massive potential. The launch demo—particularly the Photoshop and DJPro demos—really clarified its potential, for me... Apple has always openly criticized touch panels for laptops, and I think they're right. Ergonomically, they're a bit of a disaster. Touch Bar is really the best of both worlds, because 1) it keeps your hands down on the keyboard, not requiring you to lift from the shoulder, 2) it gives you focused, contextual touchscreen interactions, 3) you don't obscure the screen content with your hand, 4) it keeps your screen clear from fingerprints—a benefit you only need to glance at your phone to appreciate, and 5) for two-handed operation, keeping both hands down on or near the keyboard is far superior to trying to use two hands on a touchscreen, or one on the touchscreen and one on the trackpad.

As far as complaints about having to look down go, there are a couple of additional arguments: 1) a lot of multitouch interactions won't really require you to look down, once you've got used to where they are on the Touch Bar, and 2) in comparison to a touchscreen, what takes more effort to move, your entire arm, or your eyes?

Whine about it all you like, but it's a solid UX innovation.
 
Personally I use:
– SD for Time Machine
– USB for second backup (I'm paranoid like that), connecting my camera and – rarely – charging my phone
– HDMI to connect to TV (my TV is old and doesn't do any of this fanceh casting stuff, and yes, I am aware I could go around that but I'm happy to use a cable I already have)
– MagSafe for MagSafe

I used the headphone jack on my MBP a grand total of 1 times, as opposed to using it pretty much daily with my phone.

Your setup is normal for a stationary laptop. What I meant was for people on the go. The main complain was "having to carry dongles around".

The move to USB c is a right solution, even though it's painful for now, but transitioning to any new technology is always a painful road. However, a few years from now and you don't even have to care what port it is bc there's only 1 port. That's a bright future.
 
And you think you are going to touch this “touch bar” instead? What a what?

TouchBar is on the flat surface where my fingers are. Yes I would use it all the time. My custom toolbars from AutoCad and other apps could migrate to there and it would be awesome. The whole point is to not have to reach from the keyboard. Touchscreen on a vertical surface is a horrid interface. Apple is spot on about that. That's the reason the new Surface desktop folds flat (yes we all have 28" of clear desktop for that!:rolleyes:)
 
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