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Apple Unveils New iPad Mini With A17 Pro Chip and Apple Intelligence

hot_ham_water said:
PS: the article says it “gains” support for the pencil pro but it actually switches support to the pencil pro. Critical difference.
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danielristic said:
Yeah sure but if you're interestd in the iPad mini 7 chances are you own the 6 and most likely already own a Pencil 2 so if you want to upgrade you're looking at the cost of the new iPad + $149 for the new pencil. At this point it's just greedy.
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So have they actually REMOVED support for the Pencil 2? That seems really disrespectful to Mini 6 owners (many I assume who will have bought a Pencil 2). Is Pencil 2 support something that could be added with a software update, or is it a permanent hardware issue?

I was about to place a preorder for the Mini 7, but this would be a deal breaker - I'm not about to buy a new pencil too.
 
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I love the form factor of the mini...but for the life of me i dont get why apple couldent at least put in faceid into the damn thing. Even now that makes no sense. Thats my one huge gripe with the mini's, they would be the perfect size tablet if they got pro features like faceID and oled 120HZ screens. Like those two things alone would take it from a good tablet to the best tablet ever made imho.

But apple still...(For now) see's it as a midrange product. Ok fine. I do think eventually with the next version (after this one) they will have no choice but to add those things to it.

So by 2027-2028 we should have that dream tablet of ours, this will serve me just fine until then. I love the pros, but when i had them, i mainly use them as laptops because they are really meant to be hybrid computers...keyboard mouse support, etc.

Problem is...as laptops, they are half a wonderful product, but its the software holding them back. I truly think apple should just blend the ipad pros into the macbook line and make those devices standard hybrid computers and make the Mini and the baseline ipads their own standard tablet line.

Its apple's stubbornness to blend the best of both worlds and its ego and outright lazyness with their products that hold them back and they are feeling that now with the lack of sales of iPhones.

I love my new Iphone 16 Pro Max, but its not a complete product. AI is going to complete that, same with the ipad mini, but its a damn shame they dident have these things ready at launch.

Heres what i think is going to happen...people who bought it just to buy the newest latest and greatest (Im gulity of this myself) are going to be super disapointed day one. Once Apple Intellegence is out and up and working, its going to feel like the next level product but still a stopgap.

3 years from now, Apple HAS to put out a OLED 120HZ FACEID Ipad Mini. I dont see how in 3 years (the average lifespan of ipad mini's) they could still get away without doing that. That Ipad mini is going to be insane IF THEY DECIDE TO DO IT but at this point i dont see how they can't do it

But its going to come with a price increase, and ill bet you by then it will be moot anyway cause hopefully by then we will have some kind of folding iphone, so if they go that route i dont see how the ipad mini survives.
 
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bVIOlint said:
People still complaining about a17 pro overheating issues? Wasn't that solved within the first month after the iphone 15 pro released with a software fix?
People have a long memory of short problems...
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No. I still get that on my iPhone 15 Pro Max which quite often refuses to sync the iCloud Photo Library or take a photo, saying that 'iPhone needs to cool down'. And this is on iOS 18 in a not particularly warm mid-autumn here.

So, no, the overheating issues with the A17 Pro have not been solved.

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dsusanj said:
No. I still get that on my iPhone 15 Pro Max which quite often refuses to sync the iCloud Photo Library or take a photo, saying that 'iPhone needs to cool down'. And this is on iOS 18 in a not particularly warm mid-autumn here.

So, no, the overheating issues with the A17 Pro have not been solved.

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i dont think that will be a major problem with the ipad mini. Its a much larger body so it should get more airflow for cooling. I only ever really got heating issues with the dimming screen in extreme heat in the summer out in the sunlight. Outside of that i never really had an issue with the heating. But to each their own.
 
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Yourbigpalal83 said:
I love the form factor of the mini...but for the life of me i dont get why apple couldent at least put in faceid into the damn thing. Even now that makes no sense. Thats my one huge gripe with the mini's, they would be the perfect size tablet if they got pro features like faceID and oled 120HZ screens. Like those two things alone would take it from a good tablet to the best tablet ever made imho.

But apple still...(For now) see's it as a midrange product. Ok fine. I do think eventually with the next version (after this one) they will have no choice but to add those things to it.

So by 2027-2028 we should have that dream tablet of ours, this will serve me just fine until then. I love the pros, but when i had them, i mainly use them as laptops because they are really meant to be hybrid computers...keyboard mouse support, etc.

Problem is...as laptops, they are half a wonderful product, but its the software holding them back. I truly think apple should just blend the ipad pros into the macbook line and make those devices standard hybrid computers and make the Mini and the baseline ipads their own standard tablet line.

Its apple's stubbornness to blend the best of both worlds and its ego and outright lazyness with their products that hold them back and they are feeling that now with the lack of sales of iPhones.

I love my new Iphone 16 Pro Max, but its not a complete product. AI is going to complete that, same with the ipad mini, but its a damn shame they dident have these things ready at launch.

Heres what i think is going to happen...people who bought it just to buy the newest latest and greatest (Im gulity of this myself) are going to be super disapointed day one. Once Apple Intellegence is out and up and working, its going to feel like the next level product but still a stopgap.

3 years from now, Apple HAS to put out a OLED 120HZ FACEID Ipad Mini. I dont see how in 3 years (the average lifespan of ipad mini's) they could still get away without doing that. That Ipad mini is going to be insane IF THEY DECIDE TO DO IT but at this point i dont see how they can't do it

But its going to come with a price increase, and ill bet you by then it will be moot anyway cause hopefully by then we will have some kind of folding iphone, so if they go that route i dont see how the ipad mini survives.
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I think, Apple decision is quite reasonable. They don’t want the mini cannibalize the Pro Max iPhone market. Hence they made positioning the mini shouldn’t be as powerful and comfortable as the PM iPhone. People (including myself) plan to have SE iPhone if I can get mini with Pro features. The smaller iPad the riskier it overlaps with iPhone market.
 
Yourbigpalal83 said:
I love the form factor of the mini...but for the life of me i dont get why apple couldent at least put in faceid into the damn thing. Even now that makes no sense. Thats my one huge gripe with the mini's, they would be the perfect size tablet if they got pro features like faceID and oled 120HZ screens. Like those two things alone would take it from a good tablet to the best tablet ever made imho.

But apple still...(For now) see's it as a midrange product. Ok fine. I do think eventually with the next version (after this one) they will have no choice but to add those things to it.

So by 2027-2028 we should have that dream tablet of ours, this will serve me just fine until then. I love the pros, but when i had them, i mainly use them as laptops because they are really meant to be hybrid computers...keyboard mouse support, etc.

Problem is...as laptops, they are half a wonderful product, but its the software holding them back. I truly think apple should just blend the ipad pros into the macbook line and make those devices standard hybrid computers and make the Mini and the baseline ipads their own standard tablet line.

Its apple's stubbornness to blend the best of both worlds and its ego and outright lazyness with their products that hold them back and they are feeling that now with the lack of sales of iPhones.

I love my new Iphone 16 Pro Max, but its not a complete product. AI is going to complete that, same with the ipad mini, but its a damn shame they dident have these things ready at launch.

Heres what i think is going to happen...people who bought it just to buy the newest latest and greatest (Im gulity of this myself) are going to be super disapointed day one. Once Apple Intellegence is out and up and working, its going to feel like the next level product but still a stopgap.

3 years from now, Apple HAS to put out a OLED 120HZ FACEID Ipad Mini. I dont see how in 3 years (the average lifespan of ipad mini's) they could still get away without doing that. That Ipad mini is going to be insane IF THEY DECIDE TO DO IT but at this point i dont see how they can't do it

But its going to come with a price increase, and ill bet you by then it will be moot anyway cause hopefully by then we will have some kind of folding iphone, so if they go that route i dont see how the ipad mini survives.
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I dont think they have to put their tandem oled ipad mini

120hz is fine and faceid is also good but tandem oled is probably not.

The tandem oled on the ipad pro is INSANELY good.

linus tech tips has tested the display and yeah its as good as the 20000$ reference display, scoring highest on all of the labs tests.

asking for tandem oled on everything is a bit much isn't it.
 
Biro said:
I don’t think you realize that the A17 Pro is equal to or better than the M1.

Apple A17 Pro vs Apple M1 (7-GPU)

Technical CPU comparison of Apple A17 Pro and Apple M1 (7-GPU) including benchmarks.
www.cpu-monkey.com www.cpu-monkey.com
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It’s not benchmark, it’s software. Apple limits their pro apps to M1 chip. No Logic Pro, no Final Cut Pro, no external display etc. so it is a lame choice even if it’s “more powerful” than the m1.
 
Surprised to see the updated version today. Was expecting it to be announced at an event later this month.
 
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I’ve been thinking of buying a mini for a couple of months, and thought I’d wait for the 7 to come out. I have a 13’ iPad Pro which I work from every day in the office (I work in publishing and audio production) but the 13’ pro is like a laptop to carry around. I really liked the size of the mini just for reading in bed with, travelling with when all I really need it to do is check emails, access iCloud files and do invoicing / web browsing and it can get thrown in my back pocket without having to bring a backback around with me.

I can get a mini 6 now for slightly less, maybe £350 (plus I get the vat knocked off) But probably going to go for the 7. The extra gb hard drive size is worth the saving on an older 6 along with the upgraded chip. I will get education discount plus vat knocked off which brings it down to around £380 for me so comparable to a 6 which wouldn’t get education discount on.

However the big bugbear - no pencil 2 support! WTH? My 13’ pro uses a pencil 2 and I was hoping to use it interchangeably. That really sucks. As does stage manager for zooming and Face ID. I’m not bothered about camera placement but the pencil issue is the worst.
 
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ry-guy said:
It’s not benchmark, it’s software. Apple limits their pro apps to M1 chip. No Logic Pro, no Final Cut Pro, no external display etc. so it is a lame choice even if it’s “more powerful” than the m1.
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Logic Pro is supported on all iPads with A12 or newer so it works even on the entry-level iPad and previous minis. Apple even promotes it on the iPad mini page.
 
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Mistletoe66 said:
So basically utilizing existing unwanted A17 pro chips for iPad mini 7. Genius and good for the environment. So basically we’re buying e-waste
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I thought that it was mentioned in an article recently the USA TMSC plant was setup to produce A17's. Probably for the new iPad and ATV
 
I'll wait a few weeks whar early buyers will say. If there's noting wrong with it - i aam in (512/5G).
 
dsusanj said:
Logic Pro is supported on all iPads with A12 or newer so it works even on the entry-level iPad and previous minis. Apple even promotes it on the iPad mini page.
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Yeah sorry i wasn’t clear enough. It *is* supported but not all the features. Many have these numbers next to them.

  1. iPad with Apple M1 chip or later recommended.
  2. Requires iPad with Apple M1 chip or later.
So some of the features do require an m1 at least.
 
ry-guy said:
Yeah sorry i wasn’t clear enough. It *is* supported but not all the features. Many have these numbers next to them.

  1. iPad with Apple M1 chip or later recommended.
  2. Requires iPad with Apple M1 chip or later.
So some of the features do require an m1 at least.
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But shouldn't we consider A17 pro as later than M1 ? It was released 2023 while M1 is there for a while.
 
pksv said:
iPad Air 11" M2 is still the best value iPad probably ever.
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Imo I think a refurbished iPad Pro M2 is the best choice if you considering a 11”.
For the same price, or maybe 50 dollars more, you can get a refurbished Pro M2 instead of an Air M2.
But that’s just me😊
 
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