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3 years from now, Apple HAS to put out a OLED 120HZ FACEID Ipad Mini. I dont see how in 3 years (the average lifespan of ipad mini's) they could still get away without doing that. That Ipad mini is going to be insane IF THEY DECIDE TO DO IT but at this point i dont see how they can't do it
60Hz displays are fine. They have been fine for many years.
And so has media content (movies) at 24 to 30 fps.

This is comparing and boasting about specs by enthusiasts in online forums that few “normal“ people in the real world care about.

The difference in power consumption - and battery life in thin, portable devices - is nonnegligible. Something ordinary people actually care more about.
 
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The iPad model line-up seems a bit confused. Thought does not appear to have been given to the different practical uses that the mini, iPad (base) and Air are to serve.

In particular the Air. Traditionally it was the lighter model for Apple products (as the name implies). However:
  • Current iPad Air 11" (M2) (462g) is 18g / 4.05% heavier than current iPad Pro 11" (M4) (444g)!
  • Even across same chip - current iPad Air 11" (M2) (462g) is only 4g / 0.86% lighter than previous iPad Pro 11" (4th Gen / M2) (466g). Hardly enough to justify the 'Air' name.
For the mini - it is unclear if it is intended to be a smaller iPad (base) or instead a smaller Air. Take the screen for example. iPad mini displays have the most superior pixel density of all iPads - 326 ppi. iPads (base), Airs and Pros each have a 264 ppi display. So while for other specifications the mini has a better display than the iPad (base), an equivalent display to the Air, and a worse display than the Pro, it still has a better pixel density. I'm sure someone will say 'that's because you are viewing it from a closer distance', but I'm not sure that is true.

Personally it would be great to see an iPad with a mini size (8" to 9" with small bezels), OLED display, 120Hz ProMotion, no need for the back camera. Essentially just a reading device.
Don't see this happening, sadly!
 
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The difference in power consumption - and battery life in thin, portable devices - is nonnegligible. Something ordinary people actually care more about.
A ProMotion screen actually saves power compared to a 60Hz screen.

A 60Hz screen has a fixed refresh rate. It displays a new image 60 times every second. A ProMotion screen, on the other hand, while having a 120Hz screen, is actually a variable refresh rate. If there is motion on the scren, yes the ProMotion screen will display a new image up to 120 times every second. However, when there is a static image on the ProMotion screen, it will operate at 10Hz and only display a new image 10 times every second. That is 6 times more efficient! As you say - that is non-negligible for people who care about power consumption and battery life.

Can I suggest you take the time to research the ProMotion screens, and try one out for yourself! Maybe you will see why so many people on this forum are so keen on them! Cheers
 
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I own a Ipad mini 6 and it just sucks at some levels such a the horrible noticable jello effect, screen not as good as i wanted it to be as a media consumption device.

I have shifted from needing a tablet to be ultra portable and being able to do everything better then i could in the past.

My ipad has been replaced by my iphone 15 pro, it performs on par or often better then tablets.
Reading a lot on a kindle, it is soo much better experience.

Nothing warrants a need for a tablet anymore for me personally.
 
Pretty good for a 3-year-old iPad, imo.
If you’ve had it all three years, it is pretty good. However, when its only a 9 month old 256gb wi-fi + cell and it still has over 100% battery health(analytics shows 100.3), that is a horrible offer. They should use case specific or at least a less stringent system for this.
 
For the mini - it is unclear if it is intended to be a smaller iPad (base) or instead a smaller Air.
A smaller, „Air“-class device.
For the mini - it is unclear if it is intended to be a smaller iPad (base) or instead a smaller Air. Take the screen for example. iPad mini displays have the most superior pixel density of all iPads - 326 ppi. iPads (base), Airs and Pros each have a 264 ppi display. So while for other specifications the mini has a better display than the iPad (base), an equivalent display to the Air, and a worse display than the Pro, it still has a better pixel density. I'm sure someone will say 'that's because you are viewing it from a closer distance', but I'm not sure that is true.
It‘s probably due to the evolution of the iPad range and (earlier?) software limitations in HiDPI scaling.

The first iPad mini had the same display resolution as the larger 9.7“ iPad - just in a smaller form factor. In migrating to „retina“ displays, they just doubled the horizontal and vertical resolutions, quadrupling the total number of pixels. This 2:1 scaling factor was easiest to support in software - anything else was and still can be a bit messy, as seen across numerous operating systems and application.

Try reading an article or website on a 60Hz screen while scrolling, then do the same on 120Hz+ screen.
People scroll between reading.
They rarely scroll while reading.

You will soon see the 60Hz screen is terrible.
It‘s not terrible.
It‘s good enough.

Non-retina resolutions could be considered „terrible“ for 2024.
But the benefits of higher frame rates are diminishing beyond 60Hz or so.
And it‘s not as if people‘s TVs or desktop computer did more than 60fps (not usually anyway).

Can I suggest you take the time to research the ProMotion screens, and try one out for yourself! Maybe you will see why so many people on this forum are so keen on them! Cheers
I get it - but that‘s just a handful of enthusiasts on online forums. Apple doesn‘t design their products for that clientele. Not their non-„Pro“ products at least.

And even among these people online, comments vary between:

- „I‘d never go back“
- „It‘s noticeable but not much of a game changer in daily use“
- „My friend/girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse/parents don‘t notice a difference at all“


👉 Do I believe Apple could somehow have a „ProMotion“ with variable fps made work while retaining targeted battery life? Yes, most probably. But consumer perception is good indication that it‘s a non-essential feature - particularly when designing a non-„Pro“ product.

So they used the less expensive but good enough component.
 
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A smaller, „Air“-class device.

It‘s probably due to the evolution of the iPad range and (earlier?) software limitations in HiDPI scaling.

The first iPad mini had the same display resolution as the larger 9.7“ iPad - just in a smaller form factor. In migrating to „retina“ displays, they just doubled the horizontal and vertical resolutions, quadrupling the total number of pixels. This 2:1 scaling factor was easiest to support in software - anything else was and still can be a bit messy, as seen across numerous operating systems and application.


People scroll between reading.
They rarely scroll while reading.


It‘s not terrible.
It‘s good enough.

Non-retina resolutions could be considered „terrible“ for 2024.
But the benefits of higher frame rates are diminishing beyond 60Hz or so.
And it‘s not as if people‘s TVs or desktop computer did more than 60fps (not usually anyway).


I get it - but that‘s just a handful of enthusiasts in online forums.
Apple doesn‘t design their products for that clientele. Not their non-„Pro“ products at least.
Agreed, I don't have a problem with 60Hz either. For me, 60Hz is smooth enough and I have compared it to Apple devices with 120Hz displays and I can't justify the costs. I also have devices that some would say have jelly scrolling and yes I can create the effect but i'm not fixated on that and I totally forget it even exists when i'm using it.

I had the choice to buy the latest iPad Pro or iPad Air and I decided the M2 Air was the better value, for me and I don't have a problem with the M2 Air's display.
 
60Hz displays are fine. They have been fine for many years.

Are they "fine"?
Yes

But not what I want anymore-- at least not for new purchases in late 2024 going into 2025

My 120hz OLED usage has ruined 60hz for me
I have devices with 60hz still (of course) and I now I notice it all the time and don't love it.

Any drawbacks be darned, I just vastly prefer the smoothness and feeling of high refresh rates, even just for scrolling around browsing.

It's just so much better and more enjoyable (to me)

It's a luxury for sure, but one I really want in as many places as I can get it
 
Best Buy is offering $350 trade-in for my 256 GB Mini 6. That's probably going to push me over the edge.

Apple only offered $230, so if you're thinking about upgrading from a 6 to a 7, you might want to consider Best Buy.
 
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Best Buy is offering $350 trade-in for my 256 GB Mini 6. That's probably going to push me over the edge.

Apple only offered $230, so if you're thinking about upgrading from a 6 to a 7, you might want to consider Best Buy.

What are you really getting in the upgrade that's worth putting new money on the table?
Is there a feature that's going to be a meaningful upgrade for you?
 
For me, 60Hz is smooth enough and I have compared it to Apple devices with 120Hz displays and I can't justify the costs. I also have devices that some would say have jelly scrolling and yes I can create the effect but i'm not fixated on that and I totally forget it even exists when i'm using it.
That was my take, too. I‘m using iPads quite a lot. If anything, it’s the Apple product I’m most enthusiast/enthusiastic about (more than iPhones, actually, particularly given they don’t make a mini anymore). But the difference in price/value in price wasn‘t worth it to buy a pro for its better display.
My 120hz OLED usage has ruined 60hz for me
I believe it in can be appreciated indirect comparison and it’s a feature you notice when you‘d lose it.
But you‘d get used to 60Hz again - and it‘s not something you „always thought“ should be there but isn‘t (such as non-retina displays being less crisp than printed matter.

Same as for the „jelly scrolling“ on it.
 
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What are you really getting in the upgrade that's worth putting new money on the table?
Is there a feature that's going to be a meaningful upgrade for you?
The better chip and RAM and a new battery are the major reasons. And I'm a little curious to see how AI works on it. Admittedly, I may end up not using AI much, if at all.
 
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Thanks AppliedMicro for taking the time to consider my post.
It‘s probably due to the evolution of the iPad range and (earlier?) software limitations in HiDPI scaling.

The first iPad mini had the same display resolution as the larger 9.7“ iPad - just in a smaller form factor. In migrating to „retina“ displays, they just doubled the horizontal and vertical resolutions, quadrupling the total number of pixels. This 2:1 scaling factor was easiest to support in software - anything else was and still can be a bit messy, as seen across numerous operating systems and application.
Suspect you are right.

People scroll between reading.
They rarely scroll while reading.
Appreciate people will have different methods, but I do scroll while reading. Much more efficient to skim through long documents and allows you to keep your eyes focussed in a similar area.
 
I believe it in can be appreciated indirect comparison and it’s a feature you notice when you‘d lose it.
But you‘d get used to 60Hz again

Maybe others will, but you have to understand that I spend all day with my 120hz OLED + macOS

There's no going back for me when the vast majority of my time is at high refresh rates (including when I dual boot over to Windows in the evenings for some gaming)

Those of us who LOVE it are not going to ever be talked out of it

60hz usage feels like wading through mud in comparison, especially after a full day of high refresh rate

It will be hilarious around here, of course, that when Apple one day has "ProMotion" everywhere and suddenly anything non high refresh rate will be denigrated relentlessly ... I'm sure you know what mean about the Apple fans ;)
 
Appreciate people will have different methods, but I do scroll while reading. Much more efficient to skim through long documents and allows you to keep your eyes focussed in a similar area.

..and it's way more than just random scrolling, but all the interactions with the UI and the responsiveness and feel and connection between your fingers and what happens on screen

Honestly, I'm sort of shocked Apple doesn't have ProMotion across all the Multi-touch devices

It's one area I maintain that "if Steve were around" it would be very very different.

It's exactly the type of feature and improvement in interaction he would have seen, used and demanded they get across the lineup ASAP (i.e. years ago now)
 
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That was my take, too. I‘m using iPads quite a lot. If anything, it’s the Apple product I’m most enthusiast/enthusiastic about (more than iPhones, actually, particularly given they don’t make a mini anymore). But the difference in price/value in price wasn‘t worth it to buy a pro for its better display.

I believe it in can be appreciated indirect comparison and it’s a feature you notice when you‘d lose it.
But you‘d get used to 60Hz again - and it‘s not something you „always thought“ should be there but isn‘t (such as non-retina displays being less crisp than printed matter.

Same as for the „jelly scrolling“ on it.
Second this. I have iPad Air, Pro and iPhone (not the Pro) plus MacBook Air which I used every day. I didn’t notice any “pain” back and forth between 60hz and 120hz. I read a lot and rarely play games. But I also disappointed why Mini didn’t get silicone while it can run every apps that run on its big brother (11” & 13”)
 
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If you’ve had it all three years, it is pretty good. However, when its only a 9 month old 256gb wi-fi + cell and it still has over 100% battery health(analytics shows 100.3), that is a horrible offer. They should use case specific or at least a less stringent system for this.

That's never how any of this has worked. No trade-in company cares about the battery percentage bc they're all going to replace that anyway (and batteries are cheap). It's the risk you take when you buy a two-year-old product.
 
I own a Ipad mini 6 and it just sucks at some levels such a the horrible noticable jello effect, screen not as good as i wanted it to be as a media consumption device.
Take this with more than just a grain of salt, but…

I happened to sneak into an Apple Store yesterday. Less than 10 minutes before closing time, as they were preparing to close. Already dark outside and the store wasn‘t lit very brightly at that time.

Without having heard news about Apple‘s release (yet) and intending to „wait for the next update“, I wasn‘t particularly interested in their iPad minis on display. I still casually picked on up that was on display and it briefly occurred to me that the case colours seemed slightly different than I remember them. Without giving much though about it, I chalked that up to maybe just being the lighting conditions.

The other think that seemed just slightly „off“: I‘ve never owned a 6th generation mini for comparison - but I also didn’t notice the same „jelly scrolling“ on that display unit as I did remember being able to reproduce on previous occasions playing with the 6th gen mini in store.

I suppose I may have unknowingly looked at the new mini already.
 
The other think that seemed just slightly „off“: I‘ve never owned a 6th generation mini for comparison - but I also didn’t notice the same „jelly scrolling“ on that display unit as I did on remember being able to reproduce on previous occasions playing with the 6th gen mini in store.

It's the one thing ... the one thing ... I have to think they quietly "fixed"
 
Take this with more than just a grain of salt, but…

I happened to sneak into an Apple Store yesterday. Less than 10 minutes before closing time, as they were preparing to close. Already dark outside and the store wasn‘t lit very brightly at that time.

Without having heard news about Apple‘s release (yet) and intending to „wait for the next update“, I wasn‘t particularly interested in their iPad minis on display. I still casually picked on up that was on display and it briefly occurred to me that the case colours seemed slightly different than I remember them. Without giving much though about it, I chalked that up to maybe just being the lighting conditions.

The other think that seemed just slightly „off“: I‘ve never owned a 6th generation mini for comparison - but I also didn’t notice the same „jelly scrolling“ on that display unit as I did remember being able to reproduce on previous occasions playing with the 6th gen mini in store.

I suppose I may have unknowingly looked at the new mini already.
Stores won’t display product until launch day.
 
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It's one area I maintain that "if Steve were around" it would be very very different.

It's exactly the type of feature and improvement in interaction he would have seen, used and demanded they get across the lineup ASAP
Revered as he may be, the same Steve had no qualms about selling 12“ iBooks with very very underwhelming display quality - even compared to its contemporary PC counterparts.

I think it‘s fair to call out Apple on not including the best available display in the product (as in „best XY product we know to make“). But a „Pro Motion“ display isn‘t a glaring omission.
 
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The iPad model line-up seems a bit confused. Thought does not appear to have been given to the different practical uses that the mini, iPad (base) and Air are to serve.

In particular the Air. Traditionally it was the lighter model for Apple products (as the name implies). However:
  • Current iPad Air 11" (M2) (462g) is 18g / 4.05% heavier than current iPad Pro 11" (M4) (444g)!
  • Even across same chip - current iPad Air 11" (M2) (462g) is only 4g / 0.86% lighter than previous iPad Pro 11" (4th Gen / M2) (466g). Hardly enough to justify the 'Air' name.

It’s a classic “Good/Better/Best” lineup between the iPad 10, iPad Air M2, and iPad Pro M4. The mini was once positioned as a smaller Air but has settled into its own category in between the iPad 10 and iPad Air M2 for those looking for a smaller device.

”Air” has evolved from the “smallest and lightest” to the mid-range (iPad) or entry level (MacBook). Though we’ll see about the rumored iPhone Air next year. Remember Apple branded the short-lived 12” model simply as ”MacBook” and kept selling the heavier ”MacBook Air,” eventually redesigning it to be smaller and lighter than the older MacBook Airs, but still larger and heavier than the 12” MacBook.
 
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