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Maybe they will update the iPad mini again at MBP event. This update is a joke!
To my knowledge, the A17 Pro and M3 chips are related, so it isn’t outside the realm of possibility that another iPad Mini launches next year with an updated chip, like Apple is doing with all the M3 Macs. I was very surprised to see a new device using A17 Pro. I wonder how long they plan to manufacture that chip.
 
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Untrue. FromApple's website:
  • Supports Apple Pencil Pro
  • Supports Apple Pencil (USB‑C)
Apple Pencil (USB-C) is not the same as Apple Pencil (2nd Generation). The Apple Pencil (2nd Generation) doesn’t have a USB-C connector. It wirelessly charges magnetically on the side of the iPad. Apple Pencil (2nd Generation) isn’t on that list you shared, so I don’t think you’re making the point you’re trying to make.
 
Per Apple:
  • Supports one external display with up to 4K resolution at 60Hz
So does the 6th gen mini (albeit at 30Hz - if I’m not mistaken aligns with its limited 5Gbps USB bandwidth).

But we know that it doesn’t have Stage Manager’s extended desktop display support - which is only supported on M-series iPad Airs and Pros.

I suppose that that could be a limitation of the SOC, given how MacBook have also regressed in their external display support since the migration to Apple Silicon.
 
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So have they actually REMOVED support for the Pencil 2? That seems really disrespectful to Mini 6 owners (many I assume who will have bought a Pencil 2). Is Pencil 2 support something that could be added with a software update, or is it a permanent hardware issue?

I was about to place a preorder for the Mini 7, but this would be a deal breaker - I'm not about to buy a new pencil too.

I’ve been thinking of buying a mini for a couple of months, and thought I’d wait for the 7 to come out. I have a 13’ iPad Pro which I work from every day in the office (I work in publishing and audio production) but the 13’ pro is like a laptop to carry around. I really liked the size of the mini just for reading in bed with, travelling with when all I really need it to do is check emails, access iCloud files and do invoicing / web browsing and it can get thrown in my back pocket without having to bring a backback around with me.

I can get a mini 6 now for slightly less, maybe £350 (plus I get the vat knocked off) But probably going to go for the 7. The extra gb hard drive size is worth the saving on an older 6 along with the upgraded chip. I will get education discount plus vat knocked off which brings it down to around £380 for me so comparable to a 6 which wouldn’t get education discount on.

However the big bugbear - no pencil 2 support! WTH? My 13’ pro uses a pencil 2 and I was hoping to use it interchangeably. That really sucks. As does stage manager for zooming and Face ID. I’m not bothered about camera placement but the pencil issue is the worst.
The Pencil 2 was replaced by the Pencil Pro (you can think of it essentially as the Pencil 3) quicker than the Pencil 1 was replaced by Pencil 2*, because of the larger iPads’ switch to landscape camera, which everybody clamored for. The new camera location made the iPads incompatible with the Pencil 2 for charging/sync so Apple had to introduce a new flagship Pencil. Apple still sells the Pencil 2 for older/preexisting iPads, just as they still sell the Pencil 1 for the same reason, but in order to move away from the legacy Pencils, Apple has to make all new iPads (except standard iPad which only uses the lower tier USBC Pencil) compatible with Pencil Pro, which because of conflicting hardware means they can’t be compatible with older Pencils. As another user said, this will upset people who have older devices, but not doing this would upset people with newer devices. But this is always what happens during these transitions from legacy tech.

Edit- *actually, I just checked Wikipedia and my time perception is way off--it says the Pencil 1 was replaced after 3 years, Pencil 2 was replaced after 5 1/2 years. Suffice it to say, the past Pencil hardware updates and the incompatibility they've caused haven't been arbitrary, but caused by either a design flaw (Pencil 1) or an iPad hardware change (Pencil 2). And based off historical pattern and the content people seem to have with the Pencil Pro's feature set and the somewhat modest market for the Pencil, I'd say this Pencil Pro should be here to stay for at least the next 5 years and probably longer, unless another iPad hardware change requires a redesign.
 
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I love the form factor of the mini...but for the life of me i dont get why apple couldent at least put in faceid into the damn thing. Even now that makes no sense. Thats my one huge gripe with the mini's, they would be the perfect size tablet if they got pro features like faceID and oled 120HZ screens. Like those two things alone would take it from a good tablet to the best tablet ever made imho.

But apple still...(For now) see's it as a midrange product. Ok fine. I do think eventually with the next version (after this one) they will have no choice but to add those things to it.

So by 2027-2028 we should have that dream tablet of ours, this will serve me just fine until then. I love the pros, but when i had them, i mainly use them as laptops because they are really meant to be hybrid computers...keyboard mouse support, etc.

Problem is...as laptops, they are half a wonderful product, but its the software holding them back. I truly think apple should just blend the ipad pros into the macbook line and make those devices standard hybrid computers and make the Mini and the baseline ipads their own standard tablet line.

Its apple's stubbornness to blend the best of both worlds and its ego and outright lazyness with their products that hold them back and they are feeling that now with the lack of sales of iPhones.

I love my new Iphone 16 Pro Max, but its not a complete product. AI is going to complete that, same with the ipad mini, but its a damn shame they dident have these things ready at launch.

Heres what i think is going to happen...people who bought it just to buy the newest latest and greatest (Im gulity of this myself) are going to be super disapointed day one. Once Apple Intellegence is out and up and working, its going to feel like the next level product but still a stopgap.

3 years from now, Apple HAS to put out a OLED 120HZ FACEID Ipad Mini. I dont see how in 3 years (the average lifespan of ipad mini's) they could still get away without doing that. That Ipad mini is going to be insane IF THEY DECIDE TO DO IT but at this point i dont see how they can't do it

But its going to come with a price increase, and ill bet you by then it will be moot anyway cause hopefully by then we will have some kind of folding iphone, so if they go that route i dont see how the ipad mini survives.
I don’t think the Pro-differentiating features will come to the iPad Mini until there are new Pro-differentiating features to replace them. It’s possible Apple could make an all new iPad Mini Pro product, but not sure if the demand is high enough for Apple to take interest.
 
I have to be honest their updates in the last year or so have made me really lower my expectations even for what comes at events.

They simply aren’t taking big swings anymore and the one thing they did take a swing on has been a total flop
Interesting. I see it totally differently. Is Apple losing market share of the high end? IMO the ASoC Mac laptops, Mac Minis and Studios have been superb devices; Apple sells more watches than Switzerland does; etc. Sure there are improvements to be made (a Mac Pro would be nice...), but IMO Apple is doing things very well.

Also, IMO the AVP is not a flop except to folks who define it as something it is not. IMO it is a well done step into a new area.
 
Apple can coast on new customers who have just aged up to purchase their first device. There are so many it makes being aggressive about adding features a moot point. That’s a big thumbs down for everyone else who knows how underwhelming a value these devices are. Compatibility with Apple services that link your information together is the main thing keeping people chained to iOS as much cheaper devices can run most of the average software out there. But in Apple world none of these devices replace any other device, it’s just the same stuff in a different form factor and over $500 price point.
 
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This seems to be the october 2023 ipad mini, they just realised they forgot to release. dusted it off and are now releasing it a year later!
 
It’s the same display so I guess the answer is a big fat no!
The rumor mill had it that they rotated the display controller, essentially shifting the problem from portrait to landscape.

Maybe they also increased the responsiveness of the display in general?

Either way, they wouldn't actively advertise that they "fixed jelly scrolling", because that'd mean they'd admit this was an issue on the previous model.

So we'll just have to wait for reviews or test ourselves.
 
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Folding 9" 120Hz ProMotion OLED, please; but the fold needs to be imperceptible, because I want to use this as a pocketable sketchpad...
Not sure that the folding bit is going to happen but imagine that an 8.9” (as per some old rumours on screen size trials) could be sold as a 9” iPad Air m2, that would set the cat amongst the pigeons as pricing would potentially be the same but surrounding technology so much better.

To be fair such a small size could be run by an A18 pro cpu and be called iPad mini pro 😂
 
I don’t think they will. It would make it confusing for a lot of customers, not to mention the staff trying to upsell the 7.
I think the 6th gen is a discontinued product at this point (so won’t be in Apple Stores) but could end up living an extended life at third party retailers at discounted prices.
 
Since the other thread got locked...

@Ctrlos said:



The real dream is for Apple to add the Phone & Watch apps to iPadOS, allowing us to cut out the middle-man that is the iPhone...

Or, just give us a folding device that is a top-end iPhone when folded and an iPad mini Pro when unfolded...
YES!

I'd prefer no phone at all. You can't get sucked into a watch and getting a tablet out requires some thought.
 
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I think the 6th gen is a discontinued product at this point (so won’t be in Apple Stores) but could end up living an extended life at third party retailers at discounted prices.
It's kind of funny/weird that there's a week or so after almost every new product announcement where Apple won't sell you the old product nor the new product.
 
One thing I do like with the new iPad Mini, is you get the same specs no matter the model! So same RAM and storage speeds and GPU cores… unlike the M4 Pro costing from a grand. The Mini knows what device it is and isn’t trying to be anything else.
 
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