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Apple Updates Boot Camp With Windows 10 Support
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Miguel, that was one of the 1st things I noted for you and it's repeated several time in the referenced thread
When your opting for top spec on laptops costing more than $1700 then Apple laptops are worthy contenders.
They usually have the latest graphic chip, battery life (bigger batteries) even under windows and the best trackpad, styling is a bit subjective but personally I like it and the weight is usually comparable or better.
I stopped buying the MBAir simply as the display res is daft by todays standards after owning 5 of them, but still a good laptop and better value than my Macbook 12"
You pay at least $1-200 premium on Apple (more outside USA) and of course you have to buy windows on top
They are not bargains by any stretch of the imagination and the Apple support most enthuse about soon diminishes outside USA as simply the number of stores is very limited. Additionally secondhand values outside USA/UK/France/Germany and few other countries is poor.
Value for money no for a Windows laptop, well built yes, high spec yes if you can afford it. They are an undeniable good laptop but come at a premium. It's a price I am willing to pay but then I swap out my laptops every 12-18 months
No.
The latest graphic chips? If you buy the high end MBP, 15", you get a
- AMD Radeon R9 M370X with 2GB GDDR5 memory
Next we move on to the lie that they have the best battery life. A 13" rMBP gets only about 20 minutes better battery life than the Dell 13" from this year. The difference is that one weighs 2.6lbs and the other 3.5. I'll let you guess which is which. There are three laptops that have about 3 hours better battery life than even the MBA has. (Also, the Lenovo x250, which costs a little over 800$ is one of those that has over 15hrs battery life).
And the trackpad sucks under Windows, mainly because the drivers suck.
The Mac is an excellent computer. If you're going to be running Windows on it most of the time, though, just buy a Windows computer and get a better experience.
Also, the 1-200$ premium? A Dell XPS 13 with the roughly 20 minutes less battery is roughly 600$ cheaper than the 13" I compared it to. Let's not lie to ourselves.
You've just given me a great excuse for justifying my early-thread bitching about my 2010 Mac Pro 3.33 GHz 6-core Westmere not being supported in BootCamp 6
I have updated my 2x 3,46 GHz 6 core 2010 Mac Pro to Windows 10. Everything works like a charm.
Indeed it was.Miguel, that was one of the 1st things I noted for you and it's repeated several time in the referenced thread
I confused it with Bootcamp.
Michael
Your missing the point and I'm not getting dragged in to specifics on each and every models as simply as you note there are exceptions, on both sides.
However any short list on high end laptops will include Apple, of course it's normally soon scratched off the native windows list as it's over priced or where it scores higher is not considered good value or simply other preferences eliminate the MacBook outside windows general use.
This does not detract from the fact it will give you a premium feel to windows, it's certainly not the best value
I'm sorry you feel the trackpad sucks as it's probably considered by all as the definite reference and the new one is even finer IMO.
I see you added gamming laptops in to the equation and I agree any serious gamer the MB would not be on the list
I can only note based on my personal experience of being forced to buy my son a 17" Alienware which cost considerably more than the top MBPro. it's graphics card lasted 3 months, battery life was a joke it weighed a ton even the charger was the size of a brick. It laid unused after 9 months and my son used his old Imac in preference. I sold it at a considerable loss and got him a MBPro which he's used for the last 2 years with no problems although without all the bells and whistles on the Alienware.
I agree more money than sense using a MB for just windows use, but it's still a very nice experience and a quality product
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I always wondered that as well. I think the issue is that most people buy cheap windows laptops so the specs aren't so great. People generally spend $600 on a laptop or less. If people spent $1200 like they do on a mbp it would run just as smooth.
Tell that to my older Oppo or my Onkyo receiver. (Why do you assume everyone has the most current equipment?) It doesn't matter whether it's "UNCOMMON" or not. If people need to do it, then BootCamp is useful if it can't be done from a VM. Just because YOU don't need the functionality doesn't mean others do not.
I don't see any USB port on my Pioneer BDR-2209 Blu-ray burner. It doesn't seem to have wireless, either.
Snark aside, I couldn't get the firmware updater app to work from VMware Fusion. It works fine from BootCamp.
Bottom line is: You're wrong, end of story. Just because you don't think something is a "hassle" doesn't mean others aren't perfectly valid for thinking it is, or that it doesn't meet their needs.
I should have clarified. I have Windows 10 working like a charm on my 2010 3.33 GHz 6-core Mac Pro as well, using the previous BootCamp 5 software/drivers (for Windows 8.1, presumably).
But BootCamp 6 does not support our nice, perfectly-good machines. So we do not get any of the improvements in the drivers that came with BootCamp 6, and we do not get any potentially new drivers for devices that are not supported by BootCamp 5.
(BootCamp 5 apparently does not support the FireWire-based iSight camera, for one thing. I assume there are still others that aren't supported, either.)
Uh, don't forget sir, you replied me first ASSUMING and SUGGESTING that most, if not all people need to use Windows to upgrade firmware on their audio systems. Oy vey, so oddball how people come at you first and when you reply with a rebuttal they show so much defense...
Well that's YOUR equipment, not mine. I happen to have both USB and Wifi on my high-end audio system. So once again, don't assume that people with quality audio systems need to use Windows to upgrade firmware.
No, bottom line is you seem to be bitter because I combatted your argument showing that my audio system and Blu Ray player isn't as old or slave to Windows as yours is. Your need for Windows via Bootcamp IS uncommon, as most people outside of techies and enthusiasts don't even bother to upgrade firmware or software on their audio systems. End of story.
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Why don't you do yourself a favor and read the earlier posts in the thread. If you did then you'd recognize that your post should be directed at someone else who replied me and suggested their needs apply to everyone else.
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I have Windows 10 running on my 27" mid-2011 iMac just fine. Had to re-install boot camp drivers, but I didn't use the latest ones. Just the ones from Bootcamp 5, not 6. All is running fine.
I upgraded my 2005 Macbook pro and late 2008 Macbook pro on bootcamp to windows 10 last weekend. Both are successfully upgraded to Windows 10, the 2005 Macbook pro is suprisely fast, the Mac portion is very slow due to low memory(only support up to 3GB). So windows 10 is brought it back of live. All the driver is still working. For late 2008 Macbook pro, the trackpad driver is lost after the upgrade, have to find old driver from bootcamp support file and reinstall in order to work, other than that, everything works fine. But I still don't see boot camp 6 update available from apple update app.
Can anybody confirm that downloading the latest Boot Camp 6 onto a flash drive and installing on a machine not supported works? I am using a late 2011 Mac Mini. Seems to runs Windows 10 fine without any issues except I cannot use the keyboard short cute keys which is annoying...
How did you do that? I can't seem to get the bootcamp 5 installer to run under Windows 10
4 out of 5 boots into win 10 result in crash with the error "bad_pool_header" which didn't seem to start until I tried to use the boot camp shortcut to restart Windows and get back into OS X. I hope it's just a driver error that will get fixed with a reinstall of the bootcamp drivers.
Because it's not a myth, and there are three pretty simple reasons it's true: The hardware is built with quality, instead of trying to make the cheapest assembly possible. There is only one set of drivers to deal with, instead of it being a mishmash of different parts thrown together depending on what chip, board, processor or GPU was cheapest when that lot of computers was coming off the line. And the company who assembled the PC took complete ownership of making sure their hardware works as well as possible with the OS, instead of playing the "throw it over the fence" game with Microsoft.
If you understood the real reasons why most window computers are such crap you would know this.
All of this post makes no sense if you realize we're talking about Macs running Windows.