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Yep standard SSD 8 gigs of ram and a design refresh were the minimum required for this release. This was a swing and a miss.
 
I use photoshop a lot but I don’t know if I’ll get much use from the pro gpu. Should I get one with the iMac, or is it ok to wait to see if I need one, and then buy an external one?
 
The lack of effort to redesign the iMac after a decade, just underscores how little Apple cares about computers. Even the iMac Pro and Mac Mini was simply changing the case to Space grey.
It almost feels like Tim and Jony are resting on their laurels.

All their attention is on wearables, and you are realising this only now?
 
Yeah, I'm wondering how much diff the Vega 48 makes over the 580x for things like Final Cut. It's a pretty hefty upgrade cost. I'm thinking the best config for me (in Canadian pricing) is the 8 core CPU/512 SSD/580x.

I use photoshop a lot but I don’t know if I’ll get much use from the pro gpu. Should I get one with the iMac, or is it ok to wait to see if I need one, and then buy an external one?
 
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>Apple changes everything with new design

Whiny INTERNET EXPERTS bitch and moan

>Apple changes nothing and just updates

Whiny INTERNET EXPERTS bitch and moan

After seeing this every single time especially from the past few days with the new iMac and iPad Air, why even read ****** online opinions anymore?
 
My maxed out original 5K iMac still remains the greatest purchase I ever did. It lives another year and I put the money towards a 2TB external SSD instead.
 
Ah okay. Thanks. Seems like a step backwards to me.

There are a few ways to think about today's news:
  • Apple just wanted to get a speed bump out the door. It was already taking too long, either because of Intel, Apple's slowness, or Mercury was in retrograde.
  • There is likely a redesign coming down the road that will use the T2 chip and FaceID, but Apple is still working through those issues. One issue I thought of is how does FaceID handle someone looking over your shoulder while you are using it? Say you and your spouse are ordering tickets, and faceID kicks in, does it have an issue? I don't know. I don't see them adding TouchID to a Bluetooth keyboard. I would expect the iMac Pro to get these first.
  • Apple doesn't care about the Mac and is fine with just repurposing an old design and upgrading the internals every now and then.
  • Apple is working on an ARM transition, but it's still a couple of years away, so they put out the speed bump.
I'm not sure where I sit on the announcements. Probably in the first bullet point, where Apple wanted to get the speed bump out because whatever is "next" is too far down the line.

Thankfully, my 2016 15" is still going strong so I am a ways away from this decision.
 
I think apple did what they were suppose to do as a company. they are simply getting rid of excess supply parts, lol. this is not an upgrade, it's getting rid of excess supply. I was very happy with my nook and the thought of getting an ipad was insane to me because of the price. then came the supply dump for the ipad and I got a 6th gen ipad and quite happy with it, lol, but I never once thought it was an upgraded anything, it was a supply dump. no matter how it's spinned these newer imacs are supply dumps.
I'm more than sure apple is working on an upgraded imac and it will take time because they have to make new screws and all that new stuff and then fit it all in a very pretty container that might be made of some new material for heat, enviromental purposes and etc... well, okay, that's my hope, lol. oh and yes, get rid of the 5400 HD!!!!!! and the gross ugly form of capitalism/ripping people off kind. apple has enough money to stop pretending to be a different company and be a different company or think different.
just excuse my end rant please, lol.
 
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I'm disappointed at how few outraged complaints there are about shipping 8GB systems. My 16GB MBP is nearly unusable due to RAM contention. I will never buy another system without at least 32GB. Still shipping 8GB should be illegal.

Nearly unusable? There are lots of use cases for which even 8GB is fine. It is fine to say something isn’t ok for you but realize there are lots of other people with simpler needs.
 
This update confirms my purchase of a base mac mini was the right decision. If I had to make a custom configuration iMac with an SSD I’d have to wait for 4 - 6 weeks for delivery, whereas the mini has SSD right out of the door. Next, the RAM in the 21.5” is not upgradeable so I’d have to order a custom config wht 16GB (which, of course, results in 4 - 6 weeks delivery again).

If I want a 1440p monitor I have no othher choice but to order the 27” - maybe the 21.5” may run 1440p in scaled resolution but the monitor is just too small for that. With the mini I my choice of monitors is not restricted and I can actually get a 21:9 which is better for productivity.

Yet the iMac offers some conveniences like a single power cable and is all-in-one which means less clutter, its monitor is superb. But all of this comes at a price which is not justifyable for a home computer unless one has an atrociously big amount of money.
 
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I'm disappointed at how few outraged complaints there are about shipping 8GB systems. My 16GB MBP is nearly unusable due to RAM contention. I will never buy another system without at least 32GB. Still shipping 8GB should be illegal.

The iMac ram can still be upgraded manually. I bought 32 gb of ram and installed it myself. You are always free to add on extra ram at Apple pricing of course.
 
  • There is likely a redesign coming down the road that will use the T2 chip and FaceID, but Apple is still working through those issues.

This is likely the case. A bezel-less design with T2 (or whatever it's up to by then) and FaceID is coming, but not for at least another couple of years. This stop gap telegraphs that clearly.
 
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Oh dear lord they've left the 5400RPM HDD.

I really don't get it. Either they leave really old slow 5400RPM drives in, or they go full blazing fast propriety SSD.... Why can't they put in SATA SSDs or fusion drivers where the SATA SSD is the small drive instead?

I have two clients with 2017 iMacs with HDDs and they're as slow as all get out.


What apple maybe know that some people don't - is that a LARGER 5400 rpm drive can be faster than a smaller 7200 rpm drive if you are storing the same amount of data as the 5400 will essentially be "short stroked" (google it, i'm not going to explain here).

e.g., 4 TB 5400 rpm drive, storing 1 TB of data will generally be faster than a 1-2 TB 7200 rpm drive due to the data being on the first, speedier half of the platters. They're also quieter. And if you need it, you have more storage.

Sure, random IO on the 7200 may be a tad faster in some situations, but its not the "5400 rpm drives are SLOW!" situation that some might think.

But yes, putting ANY hard drive in a mac in 2019 is a stupid idea. 5400 OR 7200 rpm. Both stupidly slow. But picking the difference between a 5400 that is larger than a 7200 is not as simple as you may think. It depends. In many instances the larger slower rpm drive can actually be faster as the read head has less distance to move for the same amount of data stored.
 
I don't think that a Geekbench result will show you the real performance under load for a longer period. The thermal design of the iMac is completely different to the one from the iMac Pro. We need some real world tests to judge this...

Indeed. Engineers have a 27" Diagonal sheet of aluminum and can't figure out how to get heat from one side to the other... Boggles the mind.

Sometimes I wonder how many of the people hating on these releases have ordered one the same day lol.

Raises hand. I ordered the base model, minus FHD, +512GB SSD, Magic Key + Numpad, Magic Mouse, Applecare. I'd have chosen the Vega option if it was available for +$250. +$450 for a stripped down version of a $325 GPU seemed steep, especially when you are forced to buy a separate $500 bundle with a nominally better CPU, larger FHD I don't want, and an upgraded RX580 GPU that you do not receive. Arrives April 1-3.

Will be picking up a $200 32GB aftermarket memory kit and another $120 4TB HDD for my NAS, and calling it a day.
 
Was looking into ordering an iMac but wanted to wait on some spec bumps. Just ordered mine, it will be my first Mac. For me the form factor and 5k monitor make it one of the Macs I can get on board with price wise...also that I can upgrade the RAM myself. A monitor of that quality alone would cost half if not more than that. The IO on the back is perfectly fine for me and I don't mind the look of the machine at all.

Not having T2 and Face-ID is a little let down but I will have Yubikey for 2FA for the machine itself at least.

I ordered the i9 version with 512GB SSD (upgrading the RAM to 32GB myself), and I will be doing some realistic workload tests once I get it to see how the thermals are. If it is really bad then I will look into possibly returning for the i5 (I will see how the i5 compares temp wise compared to it before I order it as an alternative).

If I remember, I will post some testing results in regards to thermals.

Pretty ridiculous there is no i7 option for the 27 inch in that it is just i5 and i9. Seems like a tactic to just get ppl to shell out for the i9 almost.
 
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Huge bezels, massive behemoth of a computer compared to pretty much all other AiOs today, 2009 speed laptop hard drives. Anyone who can live with a 5400 rpm hard drive doesn't need an iMac. Anyone else will look elsewhere. More lipstick on the pig - that's all. The design was cool back in the day, but tech has advanced and apple hasn't.
 
“Can’t innovate anymore, my ass!”
What would significantly change if you were to redesign it. I keep hearing “drop the chin” but it’s iconic and balanced. Thinner bezels? Maybe but it would still look virtually the same. This is clearly the “look” Apple feels it has perfected.
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Huge bezels, massive behemoth of a computer compared to pretty much all other AiOs today, 2009 speed laptop hard drives. Anyone who can live with a 5400 rpm hard drive doesn't need an iMac. Anyone else will look elsewhere. More lipstick on the pig - that's all. The design was cool back in the day, but tech has advanced and apple hasn't.
Yet the iMac still looks better than all of them. I’ll agree on the HD, but there is an education market for this product.
 
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