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Insanely expensive. £1800 for a 'good spec' workhorse machine even with higher-edu pricing.

Then again, I suppose a decent 27" monitor isn't exactly cheap.
 
Hasn't the iMac not been updated since November 2012? Seems expected it would get a spec bump now.



Doesn't the rMBP already have a dGPU?

Yes, but a lot of people are predicting Apple to drop the dGPU in the Haswell refresh because Iris Pro is almost as good as 650M.
 
£50 increase in the Uk, No change to price on all SSD iMac, (I was going to purchase tat version) but...... Money stays in pocket.

Increase price on iPhones. now Imac yearly due to decrease in sales, in order to maximise profits, I now expect same with iPad.
 
Would you buy one with a Retina Display for 2x the cost?

Yes, I would here. I work on computers all day long and even though I have a work-provided high resolution 27" monitor, I still prefer my rMBP's screen. I want more space but not at a cost of the sharpness of Retina.

Perhaps you should buy some glasses so you can stop sitting 9 inches away from your desktop computers. For those of us that sit up straight in our chairs the iMac screens look amazing.

The bottom line is, while an eventual retina-iMac will look great, if that's your criteria you're going to be computer-less for at least 2 or 3 more years. Is that really the best way to live your life?

Or he could just get rMBP..

Even folks with perfect eye-sight loves retina displays and rather prefer that over the other screens.

For folks who work all days on computers, Retina Displays are nice to have.

so PCIe is available for Fusion Drive as well?

No, only for the flash storage. There is absolutely no point of doing PCIe for Fusion Drive and hard drives, they're not fast enough to need the faster PCIe storage.

it wouldn't be 2x the cost... when they launched macbook pro with Retina Display wasn't 2x the cost.... When they launched iPhones with Retina Displays it wasn't 2x the cost.

Smaller panels are easier and cheaper to work with. The bigger it gets, the more expensive it gets, and especially if yields are not good enough.

At the moment, the most dense panel they can make is with Sharp's IGZO. It is currently maxing out at 3,840 x 2,160 resolution for 32" panel.

For Retina Cinema Display, they need to do 5120 x 1880. We're likely 2-3 years away from this.

By themselves (Haswell, 780M, PCIe based SSD for the Fusion Drive) weren't worth waiting for, as a package of all 3, it is quite worth it.

Exactly. And as a reminder, the PPI of an iMac is 90% of what it needs to be to fall under the retina definition anyway.

There is no PCIe Fusion Drive, it's just Fusion Drive and PCIe flash storage, they have nothing to do with each other.
 
So, is it an upgrade or downgrade?

When would the improvement in OpenCL shine?

Neither, really. Same performance on most applications. OpenCL will shine when developers use OpenCL compute in their apps. Apple's pro apps are heavily optimized for OpenCL, as is OS X.
 
No, those were not the days. I remember paying $500 in 1987 for an external HD that held the equivalent of 30 floppys.

1982. Data Systems Design 5 mb 8" hard drive for PDP-11. I think the drive was a Shugart, and you could see the head moving. 19" rack mount.
$5,500.

I was glad to get it.
 
This obsession is really, really dumb. The current generation is 109ppi which at a normal viewing distance pretty much is Retina. "Retina" is just a clever term the Apple marketing department spun to say "the pixels are so small at viewing distance that you can't tell them apart". A Retina iMac in the classical term of doubling in both directions is just stupid, its massive overkill and good luck powering that many pixels with a current-gen mobile processor. Yes, the new Mac Pro will be able to power 4K displays, but 4K displays were never intended to be included in 27" monitors because the resolution is unnecessary. I have an rMBP, and I wouldn't buy a iPad mini until it is made Retina, because those are both legitimate screen sizes where pixel density makes a noticeable difference, so I get the attraction there. However when I plug my rMBP into my ancient 20" Cinema display running a mere 1680 x 1050 resolution I can honestly say that the side by side difference isn't very noticeable because I don't sit two inches from my monitor.

I can't understand people who want this or that on their computer or device just because they want the "latest and best" with no real reason; fortunately for me you drive down the prices of the products which are actually fit for purpose with no silly gimmicks by price discrimination so by all means hold out, just please stop whining about it like its a big deal.

Don't forget that there are a lot of people out there just buying on specs alone or mainly on specs. If they see that one item has bigger numbers than the other, they'd get it with the bigger numbers.
 
Macs are no longer announced at keynotes, how has the world changed.

Apple has had Mac-centric events for many years. Last year the new iMac was front and center. The year before 10.7 was. This year, in just a couple weeks, it will be the new Mac Pro and 10.8. But Apple can't focus on every single minute update. That why the iMac was silently updated.
 
Macs are no longer announced at keynotes, how has the world changed.

Yup. No longer, like when they introduced the iMac, 13"rMBP, and MacMini last October. Or when they Introduced the MacBook Air and the MacPro in June at WWDC.

Apple has been releasing spec-bump Macs like this for a decade, well before the iPhone. Unless there's a form factor change, a silent website update is the rule, not the exception. This is nothing new or telling.
 
Yes, but a lot of people are predicting Apple to drop the dGPU in the Haswell refresh because Iris Pro is almost as good as 650M.

They WILL drop the dGPU eventually, the question is when. It is not likely in Haswell because Iris Pro isn't there yet, it's still weaker than 650M but it is in the range.

Intel is working overtime to improve their iGPU and they made a lot of progress in the last two years alone. There's going to be more improvements in the next few generations as well.
 
Perhaps you should buy some glasses so you can stop sitting 9 inches away from your desktop computers. For those of us that sit up straight in our chairs the iMac screens look amazing.

The bottom line is, while an eventual retina-iMac will look great, if that's your criteria you're going to be computer-less for at least 2 or 3 more years. Is that really the best way to live your life?

Will it have to take that long? http://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/PQ321Q/#overview

Quite expensive thingy, though and I understand that screen will be difficult to drive even with Iris Pro (if it's even possible, I think not). But maybe you're right. Within two years perhaps, hopefully not three.
 
This obsession is really, really dumb. The current generation is 109ppi which at a normal viewing distance pretty much is Retina. "Retina" is just a clever term the Apple marketing department spun to say "the pixels are so small at viewing distance that you can't tell them apart". A Retina iMac in the classical term of doubling in both directions is just stupid, its massive overkill and good luck powering that many pixels with a current-gen mobile processor. Yes, the new Mac Pro will be able to power 4K displays, but 4K displays were never intended to be included in 27" monitors because the resolution is unnecessary. I have an rMBP, and I wouldn't buy a iPad mini until it is made Retina, because those are both legitimate screen sizes where pixel density makes a noticeable difference, so I get the attraction there. However when I plug my rMBP into my ancient 20" Cinema display running a mere 1680 x 1050 resolution I can honestly say that the side by side difference isn't very noticeable because I don't sit two inches from my monitor.

Define "normal viewing distance." I don't expect to put monitors any further than where I put my MBP display on my desk—15 to 20 inches from my eyes. Maybe slightly further for 27-inch display. Still, 109 ppi is quite noticeable to me at this distance.

The fact you can't tell the difference doesn't mean no one can. I can't bear using any low-ppi devices any longer (so I don't use them).
 
It's only a surprise because people have been ignoring the entire Mac line. The 5s/5c release run up made a great distraction.
 
I agree, not much for a keynote. Probably won't me much for the MBP Retina - unless there's new display tech or something that hasn't been announced previously.

I suspect you'll see a subtle redesign for at least the 13" model. If Haswell lets them reduce power requirements for the system to slim down the battery pack I can see a reduction in thickness and weight being enough to push it to keynote status.

Actually there's another reason I think you'll see it at the keynote - Mavericks. I'm expecting Apple to roll out a line along the lines of "we've completely rewritten our retina support in Mavericks. Graphical performance is now up to X times faster." Basically a fancy way of saying that they're reworked the codebase to offshore work to the GPU instead of occasionally maxing out the CPU. Plus it'd tie into a 'pro' event theme as surely we'll see the Mac Pro released along with a likely push for iPad's as creative tools with the new 64 bit SoC's...
 
Now waiting on pricing of new Mac Pro to see which way to go. These could probably handle my video processing needs. Certainly could handle all CS6 applications, even concurrently.
 
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