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Apple Updates iWork '08

ifonline said:
Isn't this typical of any application, that if you move it from its original install location, updates won't work? Or is that not what happened here?
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Depends... on Windows, some applications are smart and use the registry to keep track of where they are installed physically. Also, if an application is hosting its own update process (like FireFox) it can know it's location based on the the executable's path. Also... Some applications use environment variables to do this... but that's pretty unreliable and sucks.

Oh... and some applications will search for themselves if the default location isn't valid.

So... I would say that the updater is kinda lame and not robust... especially if there is a known defect that is causing it to be moved or be corrupted.
 
I'm eagerly awaiting the day that iWork will support right to left properly. I use hebrew quite a lot and it's a real pain to guess where the cursor is when you edit text. For instance, Keynote doesn't put the bullets to the right (no pun intended) side and the cursor is erratic at best in Pages. I don't use Numbers but I suspect that tabbing from cell to cell goes the wrong way round for a right to left table.
Maybe that's the way Apple found to not sell to arabic speaking people? :D
It's a problem that has been discussed for years and neither Apple nor MS seem willing to properly support right to left languages (on Apple's products). Weird...
 
Anyone know what the heck this means?

So check this out. Really odd. I have the applications! They are in the original folder. Nothing new. So what the heck? Anyone got any ideas?

I've tried 3 times and have had no luck.
 

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Hopefully my Apple remote will now work with Keynote/Leopard. Useless since 10.5 despite working fine for iTunes. Will test tomorrow.
 
wellwatermusic said:
So check this out. Really odd. I have the applications! They are in the original folder. Nothing new. So what the heck? Anyone got any ideas?

I've tried 3 times and have had no luck.
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Yep, I just downloaded them manually and it worked :)
 
xUKHCx said:
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This is crap, it can't detect the applications unless they are in the "iWork '08" folder. Without this folder the updates fail.

Also if you have a corrupt application (Pages) the update fails, I suspect this update is todo with issues such as corruption with Pages but if it has already done its damage the update cant sort it out. :rolleyes:

Software update doesn't even recognise the applications unless they are in that folder.
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This is true of most Apple apps, I've submitted feedback to Apple on it several time. ( http://www.apple.com/feedback )
I wish if an app could not be located it would ask you to select the path.

I prefer to have all my apps organized in a specific manner but because of headaches with updates I got sick of moving apps back to the "default location" and then back to my preferred spot.

for a while I even would open the install packages and even mess with the plists etc. worked for some apps but not others.

I finally gave up on manualy doing this for all updates, and loosing list view in the dock was the final straw so I finally just gave in to Apples mentality of "Pile everything into the Applications folder".

just as a couple example of how I would usually organize:
iWork'08 apps: /Applications/Press/iWork08/
iLife'08 apps: /Applications/iLife/
DVD Player: /Applications/Media/
Final Cut Studio apps: /Applications/Press/FinalCutStudio2/
Safari /Applications/Internet/Sarafi.app

most 3rd party applications work just fine updating where I put them though.
 
xUKHCx said:
But if I made the decision to not have them in my dock by removing them after the initial install don't you think this update should keep that decision rather than trying to shove it done my throat.
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Like a number of people here (probably the majority) the update does NOT put the icons into the dock from a straightforward update. From what you said, you messed around with where your applications were kept so the update probably reinstalled and put the icons back. Like other people here (probably the majority) it is slightly tedious to get people making overly aggressive comments and blaming other people about something which is really (a) not a problem anyway, and (b) their own fault to start with.
 
Why not just make a temporary symlink

Haven't tried this, but I would think that just making a temporary symlink from your app to the applications folder would work.

eg go to terminal and type

symlink -s <path to apps> /Applications/<folder>

after the update, just remove the symlink
 
deathshrub said:
haha, the dock is serious business :rolleyes:
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bmk said:
Like a number of people here (probably the majority) the update does NOT put the icons into the dock from a straightforward update. From what you said, you messed around with where your applications were kept so the update probably reinstalled and put the icons back. Like other people here (probably the majority) it is slightly tedious to get people making overly aggressive comments and blaming other people about something which is really (a) not a problem anyway, and (b) their own fault to start with.
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Oh its my fault that I moved the program from /Appilcations/iWork '08 to /Applications :rolleyes:. We should be able to put the applications where ever we want and I think the Application folder is a perfectly logical place to put it, especially considering the error message states it looked their so Apple think it is a logical place too.

Perhaps read the thread and my comments and then you will see why it does actually become a problem, specifically here
 
xUKHCx said:
Oh its my fault that I moved the program from /Appilcations/iWork '08 to /Applications :rolleyes:. We should be able to put the applications where ever we want and I think the Application folder is a perfectly logical place to put it, especially considering the error message states it looked their so Apple think it is a logical place too.

Perhaps read the thread and my comments and then you will see why it does actually become a problem, specifically here
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Duh - you moved the application - how can it be anyone's fault but yours? Apple stated that the applications should go in the application folder. You decided you didn't want them there and moved them. Therefore it is your fault. QED

You may disagree with Apple's decision but that's a different point altogether. It is your 'right' to do anything you want, but if you do it after you've been advised by the manufacturer not to, you have to put up with the consequences.
 
xUKHCx said:
Oh its my fault that I moved the program from /Appilcations/iWork '08 to /Applications :rolleyes:. We should be able to put the applications where ever we want and I think the Application folder is a perfectly logical place to put it, especially considering the error message states it looked their so Apple think it is a logical place too.

Perhaps read the thread and my comments and then you will see why it does actually become a problem, specifically here
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Well if you don't put them where Steve wants them, then obviously it's wrong. I swear that I read some verbage similar to that on the EULA the first time I booted my mac... ;)
 
bmk said:
Duh - you moved the application - how can it be anyone's fault but yours? Apple stated that the applications should go in the application folder. You decided you didn't want them there and moved them. Therefore it is your fault. QED
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The applications were in the applications folder, exactly where the error message said for them to be.

Still doesn't negate the fact that Pages keeps corrupting itself.

Welly said:
You would stop using an application because it put a couple of icons on your dock? Wow.. that's pretty pathetic.
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See here
 
bmk said:
Duh - you moved the application - how can it be anyone's fault but yours? Apple stated that the applications should go in the application folder. You decided you didn't want them there and moved them. Therefore it is your fault. QED

You may disagree with Apple's decision but that's a different point altogether. It is your 'right' to do anything you want, but if you do it after you've been advised by the manufacturer not to, you have to put up with the consequences.
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Guess what? They are still in the /Applications folder! I know many on these boards think Apple can do no wrong, but in this case they have a crappy, not very robust installation script. At worst case it should ask you to point to what folder each application is in so it can apply the update.
 
Notice how you skipped past the big clanger of Pages

Welly said:
What version is Numbers at? 1.0.2? What version is Excel at? Of course it needs more work, but it's a 1.x version! What would you expect for software this young?
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That was a minor issue as I fully expect it to get better over time but some simple things such as, if you are dragging a series of numbers but you get to the end of the spreadsheet the spreadsheet gets bigger etc etc.

The major issue is Pages, but when combined with all of the issues posted I feel that it is reasonable to say that you would no longer use the software. And no I didn't post all issues, that was just a quick list.
 
xUKHCx said:
But if I made the decision to not have them in my dock by removing them after the initial install don't you think this update should keep that decision rather than trying to shove it done my throat.
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Of course, what you're proposing would be a logical approach. But apple chose a different one, one that suits a different subset of users, and which had consequences for you that are negligible, at best. I agree with superfax that considering that "shoving it down your throat" is overreacting. Reminds me of my daughters when they were 16 and hormonal: a parental decision isn't the desired one, and suddenly there's a crisis. :D They'd take a month sometimes to be able to see the issue any way other than the way they reacted initially (and yeah, for full disclosure, i've been guilty of that too!). But I'll bet if you wait 15 minutes and think about it, your jets will have cooled on this issue.

xUKHCx said:
...Even if it was a mistake it did shove itself down my throat because it put them in my dock.
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well, with that attitude i'm not going to nominate you to be negotiator or mediator on anything important!

BUT I do agree if the app corrupts, and the update doesn't fix it in a simple fashion, THAT's pretty frustrating. That would stick in my craw too. Sorry you're having to go thru that.

Peace out.
 
xUKHCx said:
Notice how you skipped past the big clanger of Pages



That was a minor issue as I fully expect it to get better over time but some simple things such as, if you are dragging a series of numbers but you get to the end of the spreadsheet the spreadsheet gets bigger etc etc.

The major issue is Pages, but when combined with all of the issues posted I feel that it is reasonable to say that you would no longer use the software. And no I didn't post all issues, that was just a quick list.
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I completely agree. Keynote is really good, I dont have any major issues. pages sometimes makes me nuts, like for example whats the problem with having only part of text in two columns?? Why it has to be everything?? And why when I open .doc with 2 columns they are always merged??
Numbers is a disaster for now. Its really not a prime time App.
And in the name of God how hard is to put in Numbers and Keynote Standard Error bars????
 
I just did the update and none of the iWork programs appeared on my Dock.

Dunno what folks are whining about.
 
xUKHCx said:
Notice how you skipped past the big clanger of Pages
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...because I've not experienced any of the issues you mentioned. Ever.

xUKHCx said:
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Pages constantly needs reinstalling because it corrupts itself - Major flaw
This is particularly annoying as I don't want to carry the disc around with me and have to install it in a lecture. This is reason enough not to use it.
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Never had this problem since I installed iWork a few days after it was released.

xUKHCx said:
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Can't find itself so that it can update itself.
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It found itself without issue and updated itself without issue.

xUKHCx said:
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Can't update it if it is broken even though it needs updating because it breaks itself.
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It's never been broken on my machine.

xUKHCx said:
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Even if it was a mistake it did shove itself down my throat because it put them in my dock.
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Boo hoo hoo. It put three icons in your dock.
 
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