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So it is a case of I've never had an issue so everything must be fine.

These are some big issues and stating them as valid reasons as to why I am considering not using iWork anymore is perfectly legitimate.
 
iWork issues:

Pages constantly needs reinstalling because it corrupts itself - Major flaw
This is particularly annoying as I don't want to carry the disc around with me and have to install it in a lecture. This is reason enough not to use it.

Can't find itself so that it can update itself.

Can't update it if it is broken even though it needs updating because it breaks itself.

Even if it was a mistake it did shove itself down my throat because it put them in my dock.

Numbers - needs lots of work.

I have not had any issues with Pages becoming corrupt. I am not attempting to diminish your issues, but have you considered that this isn't a Pages problem specifically? As a matter of fact, it almost sounds like Pages doesn't like being moved out of the iWork folder, hence the update issues and the corruption issues. Possible? So, why move it in the first place if it seemingly causes so much grief?
 
So it is a case of I've never had an issue so everything must be fine.

These are some big issues and stating them as valid reasons as to why I am considering not using iWork anymore is perfectly legitimate.

I write software for a living, and I get a kick out of users who go screw with the intended design of the Application and complain when things don't work, because they *think* it should work another way.

You may still have some issues (most software has a few complaints), who knows... but you'd have far less if you just left it alone (if you are in fact moving it, etc).

I don't support these situations, so I wouldn't expect Apple to either.
 
I have not had any issues with Pages becoming corrupt. I am not attempting to diminish your issues, but have you considered that this isn't a Pages problem specifically? As a matter of fact, it almost sounds like Pages doesn't like being moved out of the iWork folder, hence the update issues and the corruption issues. Possible? So, why move it in the first place if it seemingly causes so much grief?

Because I like to order my applications in a way that is useful and logical to me, also quite a few people have reported that they moved them so it is quite common.

I don't think thats it. There are legitimate concerns with every application.

I write software for a living, and I get a kick out of users who go screw with the intended design of the Application and complain when things don't work, because they *think* it should work another way.

You may still have some issues, who knows... but you'd have far less if you just left it where it was.

I don't support these situations, so I wouldn't expect Apple to either.


You don't think that issues such as application corruption are legitimate reasons not to use an application :rolleyes:

Also Pages would become corrupt if left inside its original iWork '08 folder as well so it really made no difference.

The installer update should recognise that the application is still inside the application folder. All I did was change one folder and if you check the error message it seems it is perfectly inline with want apple thinks is correct and where the installer is telling me it is looking. And is perfectly reasonable given the way in which the applications are bundled and designed.



Sorry for not posting that Apple are amazing
 
Yes, basically. Why should I be worried or concerned if having used iWork on a daily basis since it was released, it's run flawlessly?

:rolleyes: Well people come on this site for discussion and help so it is perfectly within the confines of this to discuss problems with applications, just because you don't have these issues doesn't mean that they should not be discussed. The issue with pages corruption seems to be very rare however many people fell fowl of the installer error and if nobody bothered to post the solution then everyone would have to go through and try and work it out themselves with some people not working it out.

Did you apply the update? If so why did you?
 
iWorks update with OS X 10.4.11

I'm running with 1.12GB Ram on an iBook 1Ghz 14" G4.

After the update:

Much faster. I nearly shaved 50% of the load time/startup time with every one of these applications.

I would love another update with some extended features, but this performance improvement is a greatly appreciated.

:)
 
Because I like to order my applications in a way that is useful and logical to me, also quite a few people have reported that they moved them so it is quite common.

Fair enough, but instead of tinkering with the Applications Folder (which I see as similar to tinkering with the Registry in Windows), you could just create a shortcuts folder and organize aliases until the cows come home. You get the logical order that you want, and you don't end up breaking the software. Additionally, you get to "ignore" certain applications by not creating an alias, thereby keeping your shortcuts even more organized.

Best of both worlds, as I see it, unless this boils down to "I want to do it my way and my way only" in which case I guess you'll continue to move the application package itself and you'll continue to have problems.

Just a friendly suggestion.
 
Wow, this update was much needed for speed of opening docs. Haven't played with it much, but it has improved the load time on my main spreadsheet I use to track budget and a few other things by three fold.
 
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Apple... We don't care about iWork... Give us 10.5.2 or maybe the AppleTV update your promised today
 
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Apple... We don't care about iWork... Give us 10.5.2 or maybe the AppleTV update your promised today

Who is this we you speak of? I certainly care about this update.
 
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we as in the people that think iWork is already perfect... Just a statement
 
Curious...does anyone know?

I'm currently running with Office: Mac 2004, and have decided against upgrading to 2008. Just yesterday, I downloaded the 30-day free trial of iWork '08, hoping to find it a helpful complement to my Office '04 product.

Does anyone know whether or not a new update (iWork '08) can be downloaded and applied to a trial version of the product, just for the purposes of testing the actual product before purchase?

Thanks to anyone who takes a minute to post a response.
 
I'm currently running with Office: Mac 2004, and have decided against upgrading to 2008. Just yesterday, I downloaded the 30-day free trial of iWork '08, hoping to find it a helpful complement to my Office '04 product.

Does anyone know whether or not a new update (iWork '08) can be downloaded and applied to a trial version of the product, just for the purposes of testing the actual product before purchase?

Thanks to anyone who takes a minute to post a response.

I would think that Apple updated the soft copy that is available for download. Check your version number on your copy. Also, if you downloaded it prior to this update, check software update.
 
I write software for a living, and I get a kick out of users who go screw with the intended design of the Application and complain when things don't work,

Me too. (I should be fixing some kind of serious bugs right now.) And I know that testing is generally never exhaustive. So I'm careful to always, install or build software using the default options. I figure these are what have been tested the most. The other cases, well maybe someone did a cursory check. Not just on Mac OS X. When I installed Oracle on a Solaris system I try to keep close to the "standard" too.

You would be surprised at the subtle interaction of bugs. Foe example the code that appends strings to make a "full path" write a stay byte, bad but no harm. Then some other routine uses that memory and expects it to still be all zeros and it would be except for the stay byte error. Only when the code runs in a certain order do you see the crash. There is a story behind every case where a program runs fine for years then one day fails. If you stray much from the well tested code path you are more likely to run into those things. Apple does better testing than most but still they have budgets and schedules to keep up so they intensionally triage what parts to test
You have to really enjoy puzzles to want to debug this kind of problem.
 
I LOVE Keynote and Pages. I don't ever do spread sheets really but Numbers looks good too. I pride myself on not even owning Microsoft Office :)

What is this "Microsoft Office" you speak of? Does this mean there is competition for iWork?
 
Yeah, I don't like Numbers that much either. The only program from iWork I use is Papers. I find PowerPoint and Excel much more useful. I received iWork for free, if it wasn't for that I wouldn't have purchased it.

I can understand Excel being better than Number, but I don't think PowerPoint is more useful than Keynote. Keynote has better, transitions, templates look better, nicer effects, more features, builds, etc.
 
Nice update, improves opening up of all three apps which is nice. I use both Office 2004 and iWork and I'm using iWork a lot more now. Keynote is without question superior to PowerPoint, the only reason to use PP is for compatibility issues. I've switched to Pages although it did take a while to get used to it after using Word for so long. And I use Numbers daily even though Excel has more features, I like Numbers more.

I work as a professor of mathematics for my community college, a student getting my MBA, and own a business. I use iWork for all three, and the biggest issue remains the compatibility, other than that I've pretty much switched over to iWork exclusively.

Abe
 
I'm currently running with Office: Mac 2004, and have decided against upgrading to 2008. Just yesterday, I downloaded the 30-day free trial of iWork '08, hoping to find it a helpful complement to my Office '04 product.

Does anyone know whether or not a new update (iWork '08) can be downloaded and applied to a trial version of the product, just for the purposes of testing the actual product before purchase?

Thanks to anyone who takes a minute to post a response.

I haven't actually started my iWork trial yet (I got my MB in November and I figure I'll use iWork when I need to) but I just checked software update and the updates showed up for me. I got extremely happy for about a milisecond (thinking it was .2) but alas....the wait continues.

I wasn't going to install this (since I don't use iWork) but I guess there's no harm.
 
Newbie: Help!

Software Update says no new updates found... so I downloaded the updates for iWork directly from apple, but when I run them, it says "no eligible application found within location/applications." I have all three programs in my Applications folder. I don't think I've moved them :confused: Maybe I took them out of a folder to make getting to them from the Applications Stack easier.. I don't remember. Maybe it's because I did a clean install of leopard and then moved everything over from my external HD. In any case, What can I do?

As always, thanks in advance :eek:
 
I write software for a living, and I get a kick out of users who go screw with the intended design of the Application and complain when things don't work, because they *think* it should work another way.

You may still have some issues (most software has a few complaints), who knows... but you'd have far less if you just left it alone (if you are in fact moving it, etc).

I don't support these situations, so I wouldn't expect Apple to either.

I hope you don't write any real software, since hardcoding a path where you *think* users should have installed it is only looking for trouble. Robust software checks for and either prevents errors or works around them when they occur. I know good software design and implementation is rarely taught anymore, but sheesh...
 
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