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There is nothing wrong with the icons. In fact, they are the same icons, just morphed into looking like iOS icons. That’s the part I don’t like, the uniqueness of macOS has been reduced and consumed into the universe of its mobile offspring. I missed the stand out uniqueness of photo realistic icons. It’s really what made OS X attractive. Seeing a representation of true life on screen.

Apple now considers that redundant and I believe it was Jony Ive who promoted this when explaining the abstract look of icons iOS 7 such as Game Center. Icons should hint what they do and at least with these three, you have an idea,

- the charts and cells in the background suggest this has something to do with numbers.

- the pen, quotation symbol and lines suggest this is a tool for writing.

- the podium and what looks like screens it slides is a program for preparing presentations.

I still do miss the unique icons from the old days though. The Adobe Photoshop 7 eye, the Quark Xpress lotus flower, the picture of the child at the beach in preview.

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I think both Forstall and Ive had a point. Forstall was pushing the bubbly realism too far, and it was becoming a bit out of style. Jonny Ive pushed them hard in the other direction, and it led to some great design, but he took it too far and it became a bit ugly at times too. Today I feel like we're seeing an Apple that's happy to balance both of these design languages. No need to make everything complex and realistic, and no need to avoid realism at all costs.
 
I just love the posts of "Those icons suck" "They are the worst crap ever". Only because it's Apple would anyone say such crap. Those icons are beautiful. And if the icons hurt your eyes so bad then there's always Windows 10's super amazing, super beautiful and super innovative UI if you can't handle it.
 
So serious question: do people still use garage band? Like I played with it some when it first came out and then never really touched it again. Full disclosure: I am not a music person
 
Right now who gives a rat's behind when you can't even download & install Big Sur?
If it's not working from the system menu, try going to the Big Sur page on the Apple site and click Update Now. I was getting update fails all over the place, but it seems to be working through that method now (although I'm not sure why it would make any difference).
 
So serious question: do people still use garage band? Like I played with it some when it first came out and then never really touched it again. Full disclosure: I am not a music person
Garageband is an amazing piece of software but if youre not a music person then i can see why it wouldn't be interesting to you
 
Just updated to the new iMovie as well on Catalina, i am still baffled as to why i can't update to the new garageband as it requires Big Sur
 
So serious question: do people still use garage band? Like I played with it some when it first came out and then never really touched it again. Full disclosure: I am not a music person
Garage Band is great, especially for beginners and the less inclined - it's basically the iMovie of audio editing, where Logic is the FCP. Enthusiasts will probably get into Logic or Ableton, etc, but not everyone has the time or need or willingness to learn what it takes to use those properly.
 
Just updated to the new iMovie as well on Catalina, i am still baffled as to why i can't update to the new garageband as it requires Big Sur
I believe Big Sur changes a lot of the ways MacOS handles audio. I don't know why that wouldn't also affect iMovie, but I've heard that a lot of popular audio-based apps aren't ready for Big Sur yet specifically because of those changes. That's just what I've read/heard though, I may be wrong.
 
I believe Big Sur changes a lot of the ways MacOS handles audio. I don't know why that wouldn't also affect iMovie, but I've heard that a lot of popular audio-based apps aren't ready for Big Sur yet specifically because of those changes. That's just what I've read/heard though, I may be wrong.
I get that but if that was truly the case then iMovie wouldn't be compatible with Catalina as well and we know that it is as i just updated iMovie on Catalina
 
If it's not working from the system menu, try going to the Big Sur page on the Apple site and click Update Now. I was getting update fails all over the place, but it seems to be working through that method now (although I'm not sure why it would make any difference).
I'm all set. I changed my MacBook Pro's DNS from my ISP's to CloudFlare's — at least until it was done downloading.
 
So serious question: do people still use garage band? Like I played with it some when it first came out and then never really touched it again. Full disclosure: I am not a music person
I, too, am not a music person... or at least a person with music talent. But I do remember loving making (royalty-free) loop-based songs with Soundtrack, back in the day. (They all ended up more or less aping the Lemon Jelly schtick of just layering on more and more loops, but hey, what a great schtick that was!
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So of course Apple cancelled Soundtrack 🙄. But seemingly, every few years when I get and set up a new Mac, I inevitably download GarageBand (because hey, it’s Apple, and it’s free), and optimistically think it’s “oh, it’s got loops and sorta looks like Soundtrack, so why don’t I make a song with it.”

But whether it’s a total UI fail on GarageBand’s part (this is my presumption), or I don’t get how GarageBand is fundamentally different than Soundtrack was (aside from having greater capabilities for live instruments), or if GarageBand just isn’t designed to make loop-only songs at all, or maybe I’m just in a different place than I was 15 years ago... I’ve found myself on multiple, deja-vu occasions saying “Oh, this isn’t working; I give up. Man, I sure do miss Soundtrack.”

So long story short, yeah, dwalt, your experience does sound sort a bit like mine.

I certainly presume GarageBand is perfectly fine, or maybe better than that, for those who do use it. And that’s great if that’s the case, and that group is satisfied. But that group, evidently, doesn’t include ol’ I-just-want-to-monkey-around-with-it-and-make-something-neat talentless me. Soundtrack, however, was great for stuff like that. Man, I sure do miss Soundtrack.
 
Why is BigSur required for the new Garageband? Is BigSur also required for the new Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro updates that were released today?
Not for Logic Pro, that's installing fine for me on Catalina. I assume the same is true for FCP being part of the Pro Apps bundle, but I don't have it on this system.

Requiring Big Sur for GarageBand seems weird.

The new iWork icons are pretty poor, particularly Numbers. I don't mind the rounded square standardisation, but the better conversions are the likes of Xcode and GarageBand, where they allow elements a bit more room. Otherwise you're just squashing down identifying elements of the icon into the square, making them harder to identify.
 
Not my cup of tea personally. I actually don't mind some really simple skeuomorphism, but clean and with a flat design. These icons are busy yo!

I love the overall look of Big Sur but those icons are butt.

I don't understand why Apple is producing such poor quality icons all of a sudden. These just look so bad :/

Can we go back to a visually pleasing skeuomorphism design language now

They are actually disgusting.

No wait... they are ****!

I love, love, love iWork.

Those icons suck. They had better ones in some of the test versions. Such a shame.


I vehemently echo ALL the sentiments above.

I just don't understand how Big Sur is more powerful, we have current and now brand new Macs with incredible graphical performance. Why the HELL is Apple giving us years old 'flat' design UI icons?! Are they afraid anything with any drop shadows will bog down the system and user experience? Like seriously?!

YUCK ... whomever designed this icons needs to be fired! Anyone coming to Apple Mac's sees this software icons is NOT going to be enticed to use it ... it' looks like chicken scratch!

Is Apple contracting icon design from Jony Ive still? Oh wait I had forgotten the UI design lead behind Big Sur worked under Jony Ive. Was this his thank you for being nominated for top job after his departure?
 
Icons look good, kinda the same as Adobe's, although now other icons such as those for Calibre, Firefox, Chrome and Atom really stand out like poop on a newly mopped fllor…
 
he uniqueness of macOS has been reduced and consumed into the universe of its mobile offspring

That's because they are preparing to merge iPadOS with MacOS, even if all they do is deny it. iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard, switching Macs to ARM, subtle design language changes, running mobile apps on Mac... the merge is coming.
 
If you go through the Big Sur page on Apple’s site it will take you to the update in the App Store.
Cheers. I actually was able to fix it by opening the App Store and selecting Store > Reload Page.

Seems it didn't want to do it itself.
 
That's because they are preparing to merge iPadOS with MacOS, even if all they do is deny it. iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard, switching Macs to ARM, subtle design language changes, running mobile apps on Mac... the merge is coming.
Personally, I don’t have any fundamental problem with the convergence of the 2 (or 3 or 4 or whatever, if we count all the flavors of iOS) OSes (especially given that they’ll both be running on closely-related hardware before to all)... and long as the result doesn’t suck.

Easier said than done, of course, so that’s why I’m just volunteering to say it at this point.
 
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