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On the surface, this sounds like a really crappy thing for Apple to do. Maybe people are happy with Spotify, Rdio, etc. and don't want your damn Beats service.

Research how these freemium music services hurt the artists. Sure, you get free music and they get pennies. Put yourself in the artists' position. That's why I have no problem paying for my music. And I have lots and lots of music.
 
Don't sit there and attempt to challenge us for proof. GO out the door and walk to the DOJ and ask them that. They have Timmy on their crosshairs.

Hmm, smug response....I'll wait until it actually happens. But it's okay, the next time you're accused of something in your life without proof simply turn yourself in and don't bother wasting anyone's time.
 
Consumers are all for Apple being more profitable so kill free services and competition and jack up prices.
 
I listen to FM radio in my car without paying. I watched TV for years without paying.

Yeah, but none of those lets you listen to the exact music you want when you want. And you have to listen to ads as well which of course is what finances your listening.

Personally I pay less for music these days than I have ever done, and still have access to a library bigger than I ever thought I would. The monthly fee for services like Spotify is a steal if you (like me) used to buy 3-4 CDs a month back in the 80s and 90s. I can not think of any other service that I pay for that gives me so much back. My cable TV/Internet/cell phone is horribly expensive in comparision.

It all comes down to how interested one is in music I guess - lots of people use music as background noise, and then it does not matter much what it is of course.

It is a d*ck move from Apple to attack services that rely on ads though. And I think a lot of acts that launch new songs will suffer badly if they are not on services like YouTube. I think Apple underestimate the fact that a whole generation now have been used to music being more or less free.
 
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Consumers are all for Apple being more profitable so kill free services and competition and jack up prices.

Consumers like music. If consumers want music to continue to be a thing, it has to be paid for. Ads aren't going to cut it.
 
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You honestly believe people who are used to paying absolutely nothing and even have easy access to auto block out the ads are going to just start paying a dollar/euro for each song?? Those people who are willing to pay are already doing so for the higher quality and offline capabilities.

Yeah, I honestly believe that because you purposely ignored my post when I stated a fact that Apple was able to get many people (not everybody of course) into buying music again when file sharing was becoming the norm.
 
Doubtful, since Apple was the main company that got people into buying music again when pirating was very popular.

I admit piracy did go down when we saw ITunes, but i would hardly say it not popular still now... at least not here anyway.

If its only music alone, then ya ok maybe,, but not for movies that's for certain.
 
Well considering the iPhone has been broken for me as an iPod for quite some time now, maybe I should get this to listen to music. I've got a 64gb iPhone 6 and if iTunes allowed me to easily download music onto it I could have huge playlists and stuff to go. There is plenty of room on the phone. But iTunes has been wonky for me for some time. So I can't get the phone to actually hold all the music I want. And streaming from the cloud doesn't work because I can't stream in the subway and I don't have unlimited data plan so I will go over a pretty generous plan if I stream every day.
 
In my case, I refuse to pay for recorded music at all. I could say I probably haven't paid a song or album in my life. I love Spotify, the free version of course, if it goes "pay only" mode, I'll go back to podcasts and the live radio and "other sources"
 
In sweden we pay tax for any memory or harddrive that is megabyte of memory to the content providers, even purchase of an iPhone costs. So my own pictures taken by camera provides Beyonce more Money.

That is why we in sweden have Spotify free with ads because Beyonce takes profit from every megabyte of memory.
 
I like Apple's hardware and operating systems. That's it. I try to never rely on their apps or internet services, because at some point they will fail, corrupt, or go offline. I'll stick with Google for online services and Spotify for music. Thanks.
 
Yeah, I honestly believe that because you purposely ignored my post when I stated a fact that Apple was able to get many people (not everybody of course) into buying music again when file sharing was becoming the norm.

You're fairly delusional then. You're logic reminds me of the RIAA and MPAA thinking that every pirated piece is actually a lost potential sale when the reality is the vast majority of those people were never going to pay in the first place. And I didn't ignore it, I mentioned how those people that did switch to iTunes or paid services already did a long time.
 
I admit piracy did go down when we saw ITunes, but i would hardly say it not popular still now... at least not in this here anyway.

If its only music alone, then ya ok maybe,, but not for movies that's for certain.

It's not so much 'piracy going down' as legal music sales existing at all. No one was willing to go buy CDs anymore. People wanted to do it digitally, to at least have an experience as good as piracy. iTunes was the first service to offer something close to that.

It wasn't as good (DRM, having to use iTunes to play that DRM laced content, terrible Windows app) but it was close.

Spotify (and other services like it) offer something better than piracy - type in what you want (on your phone, even), whenever you want it, and hit return. Bam. Piracy can't offer that.

Apple is trying to make that kind of service sustainable, so cue the angry, non-sensical comments. Mostly from thieves, of course.
 
The people who are forced out of the free version won't switch to Apple, they'll just go back to pirating.
This.

This is just Apple's way of trying to reduce Spotify's power, because if Spotify can no longer offer ad-supported music streaming... it will likely lose millions of users (to pirating and/or other 'free' channels like YouTube).
 
This.

This is just Apple's way of trying to reduce Spotify's power, because if Spotify can no longer offer ad-supported music streaming... it will likely lose millions of users (to pirating and/or other 'free' channels like YouTube).

It's fine if those people go back to piracy. No big deal. The problem is that the people who are willing to pay have switched to (unsustainable, due to the free tier) streaming services as they offer a better experience than buying albums/songs individually
 
You're fairly delusional then. You're logic reminds me of the RIAA and MPAA thinking that every pirated piece is actually a lost potential sale when the reality is the vast majority of those people were never going to pay in the first place. And I didn't ignore it, I mentioned how those people that did switch to iTunes or paid services already did a long time.

That's okay, you lost all credibility when you resulted to insults. Bye.
 
It doesn't say that they succeeded, just that it was reported they tried. Yes dick move if it is true, but how many companies have tried similar moves? Business is business and dick moves are all too common these days. Apple is a major player and it's easy to attack them, but there must a report on the other companies as well and their practices.
 
Call me cheap, but I'm not paying to stream music.

I listen to FM radio in my car without paying. I watched TV for years without paying.

Charging everyone for music is only going to encourage even more people to get their music from YouTube.

And when you look at the quality to **** ratio of FM radio and TV programming, you realize why ad based anything is a bad idea.
 
It's not so much 'piracy going down' as legal music sales existing at all. No one was willing to go buy CDs anymore. People wanted to do it digitally, to at least have an experience as good as piracy. iTunes was the first service to offer something close to that.

It wasn't as good (DRM, having to use iTunes to play that DRM laced content, terrible Windows app) but it was close.

Spotify (and other services like it) offer something better than piracy - type in what you want (on your phone, even), whenever you want it, and hit return. Bam. Piracy can't offer that.

Apple is trying to make that kind of service sustainable, so cue the angry, non-sensical comments. Mostly from thieves, of course.

The thing is thieves like me were giving money to artists, I don't care if it's a lot or few, by listening ads on spotify. If it isn't free anymore, then that money is gone. Simply. Because as I said, I'm not going to start buying music because free spotify is gone, I've not done it in all my life, I'm not starting now, that's for sure.
 
The thing is thieves like me were giving money to artists, I don't care if it's a lot or few, by listening ads on spotify. If it isn't free anymore, then that money is gone. Simply.

That's fine. No big deal. The loss of revenue from people who would pay is greater than what is gained by people like you. Nothing personal.
 
That's fine. No big deal. The loss of revenue from people who would pay is greater than what is gained by people like you.

I guess, if they do it they have had their accountants working. No big deal for anyone, back to the old status quo.
 
i call bs on this report. this is not something apple will ever do. they will compete with a superior product and service as they always do. if spotify is free or not it won't help them apple will win this war.

Sorry.. what? You're kidding right? This sounds exactly what Apple might do to ensure a competitive edge. I am not saying they are, but they've crossed the line before, now haven't they?
 
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