It was AT&T offering $1,000 on my iPhone 11 Pro. That was literally the only reason..
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Apple Users Underwhelmed by iPhone 13 and Apple Watch Series 7, Survey Shows
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It's probably because people have so much trouble with the names. How many people pronounce "Xs" as eks ess?
I disagree. If Apple was going to go USB-C, they would have a long time ago.
Apple is going to drop the port altogether. It'll go from lightning to portless.
I wait until the offer Foldable iPhones and notchless design... Apple should take a hint since Steve's gone, no innovation! Apple is always 2nd fiddle to Samsung!
Not at all I'm afraid. The EU requirement is easily satisfied with a dongle in the box. And it's far, FAR more likely that Apple will simply drop the port altogether (this has long been rumored)
It's clear that the USB-C "delay" isn't a delay at all, but a lack of engineering priority. Nobody is working on bringing USB-C to the iPhone at Apple because the engineers are working on dropping the port altogether.
The 6 people who disagreed have no idea what they are missing.
I upgraded to the Pro Max from the 11 and it was a huge upgrade. The battery and camera were worth it alone.
I'm not even counting the display upgrade though because when the 11 was released, Apple deserved a firing squad for that vile 720P display that even budget Android phones haven't used in years.
Articles like this are crap. Surveys are generally worthless as the sample sizes are microscopic and the people who respond to surveys are a different breed of person. The iPhone 13 will do just fine like the others before it and the ones coming after it.
I have 12 Pro Max and Watch Series 6 from launch last year, which was worth jumping into with 5G at the time and major camera upgrade.
This year is rather meh. Once again it's an S year with minor improvements. More aimed at those who didn't upgrade to the 12, this is the year to upgrade. Whereas those of us not on yearly replacements, just wait for the 2nd year.
This year is rather meh. Once again it's an S year with minor improvements. More aimed at those who didn't upgrade to the 12, this is the year to upgrade. Whereas those of us not on yearly replacements, just wait for the 2nd year.
The camera bump is here to stay because that is what it takes to get a good camera into the phone. Obviously they could make a thicker phone or use an inferior camera or both. None of these is desirable except to very few people.
As for battery life Apple is doing the absolute best they can. If they could make one with a battery that lasted a week they would. The battery technology is not there yet unless you want a watch that is 3 or 4 times the size to get you a week. They also could take the screen away or go with a greyscale screen but none of these are desirable.
This line of thinking reminds me of my father-in-law who said he would buy a new Ford truck if it had certain features and/or options. He could get to 90%, but then there was an unobtainable feature that was not made or that was only available with another brand truck. Of course it too was missing one thing the Ford had. It's a good way to never buy anything.
Ok well I disagree that it is not a flagship. And the survey is not a joke, it is a reasonable survey that polls 5000 members of the iPhone market. And it is exactly what I would expect to see. Nothing surprising or unbelievable at all.
The iPhone mini is exactly what people said they wanted. An all screen design, with Face ID, and the latest processor and features, that was smaller than the iPhone X. And within the iPhone 12 and 13 lineup, the feature gap is really small across standard and Pro. So an iPhone 12/13 mini is a fully packed iPhone with all of the latest features found in the regular iPhone 12/13. Which itself is very close to the Pro models. Very small gaps. So the iPhone mini is a perfectly capable flagship phone sporting all of the latest things that can be had for $700.
But it doesn't sell. And here is the thing you need to understand: it doesn't even sell well compared to the standard iPhone 12/13. It is by all accounts functionally equivalent and cheaper at the same time, and iPhone 12/13 still outsells it 3 to 1. That isn't because of "features". The features are the same. It is because people generally do not want such a small phone, especially not at that price.
Given this, you have to understand why there won't be a mini Pro. If people are unwilling to opt for the mini instead of the standard, given that they are functionally identical yet at a lower price, then they will never pay even more for mini with Pro features. That's why it doesn't exist, and won't. And if reports are to be believed, the mini itself will cease to exist after this year.
I don't think Apple will go portless. Especially given the heat issues of wireless pad charging. Apple may switch to USB Type C because of the EU requirement I mentioned earlier and the need for a fast interface to transfer ProRes video files.
I carry 2 phones. My primary phone has always been an iPhone and my secondary phone currently is the S21 Ultra. I got the iPhone 13 pro (upgraded from XS). While it is a worthwhile upgrade, for the first time I am enjoying using my Samsung more than the iPhone. It feels more responsive, screen looks much better, scrolling is great and the camera is decent. I am heavily invested in the apple ecosystem with other devices so iPhone will continue being my primary phone. But I never thought that I will enjoy using the Samsung more. I hope the next phone is a significant upgrade and works like an apple product should from day one.
That is a flawed argument because it assumes that for a Pro mini to succeed, the same people would choose the mini over the Pro, at any cost difference and any feature disparity, and that there is a demand for a non-Pro model that's smaller. The reality is that people were forced to weigh options that are of different priorities for different people, and many of the potential customers for a smaller iPhone don't necessarily want to forego the more advanced features. They just want a phone like the iPhone 5s: the best of its class at the time, no features omitted, but still in a reasonably sized chassis.
There is a market for a Pro mini, but many of us were forced to choose between a non-Pro mini and a large Pro. Some of us chose the mini, but many opted to live with the Pro. In other words, the success of the 12 Pro and 13 Pro has within its marketshare, disenchanted customers who wanted a Pro mini but ended up buying the Pro because they prioritized the feature set above the preferred size.
Again, Apple didn't make the phone that was desired: a Pro mini with the same feature set in the smaller size. If they had, then you could draw a logical conclusion from its sales performance.
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For me, the spoilers were so numerous that my anticipation of the new unknown was quashed.
I was really looking forward to the new mini lcd iPad pro, and update my phone, but was underwhelmed before they were released.
I was really looking forward to the new mini lcd iPad pro, and update my phone, but was underwhelmed before they were released.
You could pack an iP11Pro into a blue bumper and pretend it is the blue one with the new edgy design.
Nobody's gonna know ....
If you buy it from a reseller in mint condition, you could also save 50%
Nobody's gonna know ....
Agree. These surveys are worthless. Not the size of sample. But the sample itself and the questions and format. One has to wonder who does these surveys? I consider them spam. And good luck keeping me on the phone past the word hello for one.
I use an 11 Pro Max for both personal use & for Dev work.
I am tempted to get an 13 Pro Max.
But, my 11 Pro Max is now paid off & that makes me very happy
Will most-likely wait till next year, based in large part on the Renders I've seen of what next year's models will look like.
Flipside, the Back Wide Camera's image sensor in the 13 Pro & 13 Pro Max "may" be the best that Apple ever offers in ANY iPhone !
If they do in-deed go to a 48 Mpx image sensor next year, mostly to get better Zoom Ratings from dxomark & others, even with Pixel Binning, I don't think they'll come close to matching this year's image sensor capture quality !
To my knowledge, there are NO 48 Mpx image sensors that have anywhere close to 1 micron pixels, which would be needed to improve upon this year's 1.9 micron pixels (i.e., with Pixel Binning, it would get you to 2 micron pixels).
Also, Under Glass TouchID is probably the ONLY feature that will trigger a surge in Upgrades.
Although, if Cook were to replace Schiller & Fischer with others who really know technology, & which UN-Discovered Apps are sitting Idle in the App Store, a surge in upgrades would happen immediately !
IMO, ALL the problems with Apple come back to Schiller & Fischer !
It's simply NOT possible to maximize demand when the two guys running the App Store have ZERO software development experience, & ZERO experience running a third-party software company !
If Steve Jobs was still running the show, things would be vastly different !
He would be calling ALL the shots ! ... and IMO, the NON-Game portion of the App Store would flourish !
Instead, 70% of the App Store Revenue comes from Game Apps, & most of that comes from ONLY 10% of those who hold Apple ID accounts !
Go figure !
Mr. Tim Cook, time to wake up & smell the roses !
I am tempted to get an 13 Pro Max.
But, my 11 Pro Max is now paid off & that makes me very happy
Will most-likely wait till next year, based in large part on the Renders I've seen of what next year's models will look like.
Flipside, the Back Wide Camera's image sensor in the 13 Pro & 13 Pro Max "may" be the best that Apple ever offers in ANY iPhone !
If they do in-deed go to a 48 Mpx image sensor next year, mostly to get better Zoom Ratings from dxomark & others, even with Pixel Binning, I don't think they'll come close to matching this year's image sensor capture quality !
To my knowledge, there are NO 48 Mpx image sensors that have anywhere close to 1 micron pixels, which would be needed to improve upon this year's 1.9 micron pixels (i.e., with Pixel Binning, it would get you to 2 micron pixels).
Also, Under Glass TouchID is probably the ONLY feature that will trigger a surge in Upgrades.
Although, if Cook were to replace Schiller & Fischer with others who really know technology, & which UN-Discovered Apps are sitting Idle in the App Store, a surge in upgrades would happen immediately !
IMO, ALL the problems with Apple come back to Schiller & Fischer !
It's simply NOT possible to maximize demand when the two guys running the App Store have ZERO software development experience, & ZERO experience running a third-party software company !
If Steve Jobs was still running the show, things would be vastly different !
He would be calling ALL the shots ! ... and IMO, the NON-Game portion of the App Store would flourish !
Instead, 70% of the App Store Revenue comes from Game Apps, & most of that comes from ONLY 10% of those who hold Apple ID accounts !
Go figure !
Mr. Tim Cook, time to wake up & smell the roses !
I agree on ALL points !
IMO,Apple is really ONLY a minor player in iPhone Unit Sales !
At least here in the States, it's driven by the Cellular Carriers !
And to a lesser extent, Qualcomm, with their latest-Gen 5G chip !
Peak iPhone "may" have occurred prior to last year's iPhones.
Apple simply isn't able to generate much, if ANY, Enthusiasm anymore.
I personally think they could, but NOT with the existing Apple Board & Mgmt Team they have in place.
Apple's iPhone success has run its course.
Whoever will be next is probably Off the Radar of ALL of us.
If I had to make a bet, I'd say a 6.3" NFLX-based OLED-based single camera smartphone, priced @ $599 USD.
You know, as much you want to defend Apple here... Remember that they've replaced lightning on all but their lowest end iPad now (Pro/Air/Mini all use USB C now), as do all of their laptops. So it's obvious that it works well for Apple, but they just need to stop the slow trickle down their product range and get it done.
Same reason I got the 12 Pro... $1,000 trade-in for a Samsung S20.
I'll wait until the iPhone 14 Pro is released before I do my next upgrade.
I like the two year plan on upgrades myself.
After going from XS Max to 12 Pro Max last year, it was probably the most happiest I was with an iPhone at the end of it's life that if I couldn't afford an upgrade, I'd still be happy. I took that phone a lot of places around the world.
I'm sure I'll feel the same when the 14 Pro comes out, and also buy it then.
I'm not going to argue the point further. I don't think you are arguing in good faith, simply because you personally desire an iPhone mini Pro.
All of the data from all of the years indicates:
1. People are not willing to spend a lot of money on a small phone, regardless of what features it has.
2. Apple is happy to add complexity to the iPhone market if it will sell well.
These are the reasons there is no iPhone mini Pro, and soon will not be an iPhone mini at all.
As someone who just upgraded from an iPhone X, the 13 Pro is fantastic. It doesn't really matter what the general population thinks, I buy a device that will serve me well for many years based on my current needs. People need to stop worrying about what others think and just do whats best for them.
Around where I live there have always been lines whenever we have an iPhone release and typically persists for a few weeks. But this time, even the store is not crowded at all. Interestingly, there's always a line outside the Louis Vuitton store!