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Of course Apple doesn't agree. they want to force up to 30% of all dollars spent via their devices to them.

I remember the good old days of just buying software/services anywhere you were able to and install it. I want that back!

how about the Nokia days, where only Nokia apps games you can used. you can only customized with phone casing.
 
What competition is there for selling iOS apps? Please guide me to all these other stores I can get my software for my iPhone cheaper? ....and before you say it, I don’t own an Android phone and I don’t want to; I spent my $1000 on an iPhone and I had no idea I couldn’t buy my software from anyone but Apple. (Note...this is an example to make a point not my personal predicament)

Thank you! I've been saying this for years about Target too. I would love to sell my solid hardwood and horsehair toothbrushes direct to consumers in Target stores but every time I try they call security. They claim I could enter into a contract with them, sell them my toothbrushes, and then they'll resell them directly to their customers but then I'll only get $7 per brush when Target sells them for $10. This is absolutely a monopoly! I should be able to sell my brushes for $10 direct. I tried doing that out of my garage but there are far more customers in Target stores (one bored neighbor wandered into my garage but she thought brushing her teeth with fur from a dead horse was "gross"). This is oppression clear and simple, Target customers would really be better off if I could approach walk up to them while they compare prices on socks and preach the virtue of brushing your teeth with pure horsehair.

END THE MONOPOLISTS!!
 
From my perspective, Tim Cook's AAPL is primarily guilty of TWO things:

1.) Suppression of Third-Party App Innovation !

I have two examples of that !

2.) A complete & full Stranglehold on (third-party) App Discovery !

Here, they Control the App Store Narrative, & they do so strictly for their own benefit !

For example, Game Apps & Apple Arcade Apps flood the iOS App Store "Today" tab almost every single day !

Most days, they have Pole Position !

Lately, Apple has even used Pole Position to "Advertise" Streaming Services like HBO's Max !

Why ? ... probably to boost the App Store Revenue Numbers !

NON-Game Apps are an AFTER thought in the iOS App Store "Today" tab !

As such, IMO, Apple has driven away most Adults from the App Store during Cook's tenure !

What's needed is Transparency !!!

Specifically, Congress should Pass New Law that Forces Apple to Disclose per-Qtr, per-Category App Store Revenue Numbers for at least the iOS App Store here in the States, & to do so at each Quarterly OR Annual Earnings Release !

If that were to happen, AAPL's stock price would take a hit, but would then very-likely RE-bound as those who run the App Store would actually have to become PRO-active OUTSIDE of Game Apps !

The iOS App Store App has gotten considerably worse since Apple released Apple Arcade !

As such, I believe a 2nd App Store would probably be best, one that has NO Game Apps & NO Apple Arcade Apps !!!

OR better yet, ONE filter in the existing iOS App Store App that enables Users to filter-off Game Apps & Apple Arcade Apps !

NOT Rocket Science !

Rather than continuing to be prop'd-up on Hype, Apple could quickly get their act together, & have a true value much closer to their Market Cap !

This App Dev gives the existing App Store a D- grade !

BTW, NO ONE should be surprised if at some point the AAPL Board is Forced to Oust Cook over suppression of third-party App Innovation !
 
What competition is there for selling iOS apps? Please guide me to all these other stores I can get my software for my iPhone cheaper? ....and before you say it, I don’t own an Android phone and I don’t want to; I spent my $1000 on an iPhone and I had no idea I couldn’t buy my software from anyone but Apple. (Note...this is an example to make a point not my personal predicament)


Thank you! I've been saying the same thing about my classic Nintendo Game Boy. I bought it on ebay with my own hard earned $30 and now Nintendo refuses to let me run anything other than Nintendo sanctioned cartridges. Come on Nintendo! What's with this monopolistic authoritarianism. And before you say it I don't own a PS2 and I don't want to; I had no idea I couldn't play Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4.

BREAK UP NINTENDO!! FORCE THEM TO ALLOW CARTRIDGE TO SPINNING OPTICAL DISC ADAPTERS!!
 
I don’t think most people are advocating for the most extreme solution of breaking up Apple. If we even see anything in the first place, it will likely be some light regulation.

👀 yeah... "light". Mm-Hmm...

Color me skeptical and pessimistic about how well that will go. 😆 Regulation of Apple's business. How exactly? (Appstore thoughts below... but otherwise, what's the solution to the whole business?)

I get the arguments that the Appstore shouldn't charge 30% fees, while also telling everyone that they can't develop for iOS unless they pay the fee. And that starts to make sense when Microsoft doesn't charge a fee for a software developer to make a program for Windows (they might just charge a fee if you want it on the Microsoft Storefront?).

It wouldn't be the end of the world if Apple was forced to allow apps to be obtained outside the appstore, but it would still need to go through the appstore to be installed to keep out buggy, virus-laden apps. The Apple employees would need to review the app before it was allowed on an iphone to keep Apple's high standard of quality.

But, wait, who will pay the Apple employees to review the apps to make sure they don't ruin people's apple phones?

No. It would be the end of the world if apps were sold and loaded outside of the Appstore. Government regulation of the Appstore would ruin Apple's reputation and brand quality because of spyware apps, like you find on Google Play store (who also charge 30% fees, I read. But I'm not sure that's relevant here.)
 
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Of course Apple doesn't agree. they want to force up to 30% of all dollars spent via their devices to them.

I remember the good old days of just buying software/services anywhere you were able to and install it. I want that back!
If you want that back, then go use an Android. You damn well knew how you get apps when you bought an IOS device.

Of course they want their 30%, all these developers use Apple’s tools and software, they pay Apple the privilege to access Apple’s customers, whom they gained from their innovation, privacy, and how they handle everything. These developers just want to use Apple without paying for it, that’s the real abuse.
 
The issue I see is that how all tech companies are being lumped together into one cohort. Apple and Amazon, for example, are very different. I don’t see Apple as a monopoly. There are many choices. The App Store is of course just Apple’s own, but if you are willing to change ecosystems then you can enjoy other stores.

Amazon, on the other hand, is destroying the retail industry. But they are not really a retail company. They are a technology company with a majority of its revenue coming from non-retail operations. That’s a problem. They can use the cash they generate to kill off their retail-only competitors. That’s unfair. To compare the two companies is also unfair.
 
These idiots just need to look at Blackberry to see that you are only as good as your last product.
Another example is Microsoft who used to be the leader in business phones.

Apple and Android maybe the leader today, but that could change very quickly as history shows.
 
These idiots just need to look at Blackberry to see that you are only as good as your last product.
Another example is Microsoft who used to be the leader in business phones.

Apple and Android maybe the leader today, but that could change very quickly as history shows.

Exactly, there is no monopoly preventing them from losing their spot: it is actively held up by good products.
 
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These kinds of things discourage entrepreneurs from creating innovating technology where eventually they will be forced by governments to allow other businesses to make money from something they didn't invent.
 
I don’t see how Apple can be. That’s bizarre. Google, Twitter, youtube, Facebook? Burn them all down.
 
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Of course Apple doesn't agree. they want to force up to 30% of all dollars spent via their devices to them.

I remember the good old days of just buying software/services anywhere you were able to and install it. I want that back!
You mean anywhere except online? As the old days dvds and disks?
Or anywhere web?

the former meant incredibly more overhead for a developer and the “monopolistic” behavior was way more present, only a few publishers were alive and wall gatekeeping everything plus a few smaller ones like Sierra (remember this one?! It started as a mom and pop publishing shop) and four million apps for the consumer to choose from was definitely not there.

me personally I don’t want to go back to the days where I wouldn’t have a chance to become a dev from the comfort of my home using my personal device as a test target or using TeatFlight to network Deploy to many devices and testers.
 
Of course Apple doesn't agree. they want to force up to 30% of all dollars spent via their devices to them.

I remember the good old days of just buying software/services anywhere you were able to and install it. I want that back!

Buy an Android phone, there is plenty of choice on that platform. You can even install alternative operating systems on your phone if you want.
 
As another poster wrote, political grandstanding. Of course Apple is a wildly successful company that has worked to build its’ customer base and infrastructure and is not even a dominant player in any market.

These Congress-people want to give away Apples’ infrastructure to the competition so the competition can make money, while Apple gets nothing.
 
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Tough times as the Republicans sure have their share of warts and the distaste for many things Trump is strong. What people have missed is exactly how much the Democrats are against capitalism. They are moving left to socialism. If the Biden wins and the Dems take the senate these breakups become very real.

That isn’t my way of saying vote Republican. Really comes down to the type of country you want to live in.
 
Report reads like a lazy college student’s research paper. The citations don’t support the facts that are presented.

For example, p333:

“Apple has significant and durable market power in the market for mobile operating systems and mobile app stores, both of which are highly concentrated.” Citation 2105

Citation 2105 refers to the Stigler Report which focuses on Facebook, Google, and Amazon. Apple is mentioned almost in passing, and the Stigler Report makes no claims to the market power of Apple nor does it mention the App Store.
 
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Of course Apple doesn't agree. they want to force up to 30% of all dollars spent via their devices to them.

I remember the good old days of just buying software/services anywhere you were able to and install it. I want that back!

You don't fondly remember that, perhaps you fantasized it, as it never existed for the iPhone. The market you evidently "fondly" recall was for PC's and let's recall the reality that before app stores drove the prices down for consumers, you were paying a hundred times more for you software than you do today's market where many programs are free or 99 cents.
 
Go ahead and let them have their own App Stores for iOS, then we can read all the stories about the piracy, malware, and stolen financial data. Then they can ask Apple why they don’t put a stop to it.
 
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What competition is there for selling iOS apps? Please guide me to all these other stores I can get my software for my iPhone cheaper? ....and before you say it, I don’t own an Android phone and I don’t want to; I spent my $1000 on an iPhone and I had no idea I couldn’t buy my software from anyone but Apple. (Note...this is an example to make a point not my personal predicament)


Yeah, and when i bought my Tesla, I had no idea I had to get all the software from Tesla. I thought I could buy and install it from anyone. Not fair that I have to pay Tesla sometimes thousands for an upgrade!
 
What competition is there for selling iOS apps? Please guide me to all these other stores I can get my software for my iPhone cheaper? ....and before you say it, I don’t own an Android phone and I don’t want to; I spent my $1000 on an iPhone and I had no idea I couldn’t buy my software from anyone but Apple. (Note...this is an example to make a point not my personal predicament)

Apple’s customers don’t care about the prices of apps as much as they care about easy-of-use and convenience.

Even if the apps were cheaper somewhere else, 99% would still buy them on the App Store.
 
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