Apple 'Vehemently Disagrees' With U.S. Tech Company Antitrust Report

[jonblatho]

indie developers agree with apple.

Not sure why you’re speaking for me. I don’t.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Not sure why you’re speaking for me. I don’t.

i didn't say all. i would say most reasonable ones who understand both sides would agree.

 

[boss.king]

Of course they do. Was anyone expecting any of these companies to just go “Yeah, you’re right, you got us.”

 

[vipergts2207]

👀 yeah... "light". Mm-Hmm...

Color me skeptical and pessimistic about how well that will go. 😆 Regulation of Apple's business. How exactly? (Appstore thoughts below... but otherwise, what's the solution to the whole business?)

I get the arguments that the Appstore shouldn't charge 30% fees, while also telling everyone that they can't develop for iOS unless they pay the fee. And that starts to make sense when Microsoft doesn't charge a fee for a software developer to make a program for Windows (they might just charge a fee if you want it on the Microsoft Storefront?).

It wouldn't be the end of the world if Apple was forced to allow apps to be obtained outside the appstore, but it would still need to go through the appstore to be installed to keep out buggy, virus-laden apps. The Apple employees would need to review the app before it was allowed on an iphone to keep Apple's high standard of quality.

But, wait, who will pay the Apple employees to review the apps to make sure they don't ruin people's apple phones?

No. It would be the end of the world if apps were sold and loaded outside of the Appstore. Government regulation of the Appstore would ruin Apple's reputation and brand quality because of spyware apps, like you find on Google Play store (who also charge 30% fees, I read. But I'm not sure that's relevant here.)

The App Store is really the only place Apple needs regulated in the first place.

Apple doesn’t review all Mac apps and they don’t need to review all iOS apps that aren’t in the App Store. We’re all grownups here and can take responsibility for ourselves just as with installing PC software. They just need to allow a way for apps to be installed outside of the App Store.

 

[dumastudetto]

The whole world is on your side Tim! Well, apart from the Epic whingers.

 

[Seoras]

There's an agenda and the report has been written to accommodate it. Not tell it as it really is.

 

[Juan007]

There is one reason Apple is successful today and that's the hard work, insight, and brilliance of Steve. He spent billions of dollars and close to ten years developing the iPhone. Even AFTER he had finished his masterpiece, so-called tech leaders like Balmer thought it would fail, but Steve had the insight to stick through, and now Apple reaps the rewards. Nokia, Blackberry and others are on the ash heap, they could not build products anywhere close to those Steve built.

Apple is the most innovative company in America and for the US government to go after them is a disgrace. They have done more good for this country than any company in the history of the world.

 

[CarlJ]

I remember the good old days of just buying software/services anywhere you were able to and install it. I want that back!

You clearly didn’t do enough research before buying an iPhone instead of an Android phone, did you? How is that our fault?

 

[mikethemartian]

“vehemently disagree” reminds me of the scene in A Few Good Men when Demi Moore’s character “strenuously objects”.

 

[jonblatho]

i didn't say all. i would say most reasonable ones who understand both sides would agree.

Maybe one of these days I’ll find it in my heart to have sympathy for a $2-trillion company. In the meantime, let me pull out the small violin.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Maybe one of these days I’ll find it in my heart to have sympathy for a $2-trillion company. In the meantime, let me pull out the small violin.

$2-trillion companies must start giving away phones and free services. Because it's the law for some reason...?

 

[jonblatho]

$2-trillion companies must start giving away phones and free services. Because it's the law for some reason...?

Maybe I missed it. Where’s that in the subcommittee’s policy recommendations?

 

[farewelwilliams]

Maybe I missed it. Where’s that in the subcommittee’s policy recommendations?

It's what you're essentially saying. "They have a lot of money, so they should start giving away stuff"

 

[jonblatho]

It's what you're essentially saying. "They have a lot of money, so they should start giving away stuff"

Hmm. Don’t think I said anything of the sort.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Hmm. Don’t think I said anything of the sort.

Then what's the point of bringing up the fact that they're a $2 trillion company if their wealth has nothing to do with the conversation.

 

[jonblatho]

Then what's the point of bringing up the fact that they're a $2 trillion company if their wealth has nothing to do with the conversation.

You’re certainly free to baselessly take what I say to the most ridiculous possible conclusions, but that doesn’t mean I endorse it.

 

[farewelwilliams]

You’re certainly free to baselessly take what I say to the most ridiculous possible conclusions, but that doesn’t mean I endorse it.

You didn't address what I said in my most recent reply. Sounds like you took a wrong turn and don't really have much more to say. Going to end this conversation with you. Have a good night.

 

[btrach144]

People trying to claim market share. The report never mentioned market share.

the issue with Apple is that they have a monopoly on app distribution on iOS. 100% of the apps on your iOS device had to ultimately flow through Apple.

thats insane.

 

[jonblatho]

You didn't address what I said in my most recent reply. Sounds like you took a wrong turn and don't really have much more to say. Going to end this conversation with you. Have a good night.

Just like I could have ended the conversation with a blatantly bad-faith interpretation of what I was saying. Setting aside that getting from what I said to what you said requires fallacy stacked upon fallacy, you simply put words in my mouth. Why should I address it?

Have a better day tomorrow, and perhaps try forming actual arguments sometime.

 

[maerz001]

Someone needs to look up the definition of monopoly. Apple has plenty of competition. The others, not so much.

regarding the example of railway tycoons: you mean either take the railway (Apple) or the horse (Android)?

 

[lk400]

Of course Apple doesn't agree. they want to force up to 30% of all dollars spent via their devices to them.

I remember the good old days of just buying software/services anywhere you were able to and install it. I want that back!

Firstly I dont remember the good old days of being able to buy software on my phone anywhere and being able to install it.
I do remember being able to do that on my PC/Mac, and I still can.

Secondly, and honest question, why do you want that? I understand why developers want it - to make more money (in some cases, where they are selling direct). But as a user, why would you want a decentralised market place, no security or privacy controls and all the other stuff that the App store provides. Im old. When I was young, I had time to mess around searching, trialling, testing software etc. These days I dont have the time or inclination to do so. I appreciate the ease and security of the app store. So I am sincerely interested why you would want a different model.

 

[Dekema2]

I'm sure Standard Oil and AT&T would've said the same thing.

 

[AndiG]

Nice one, I hope all of them will be regulated And the Congress takes action:

- Apple and Google should grant free access to their stores and markets.
- Apple and Google should only be allowed to reject apps cause auf technical resaons (Not because of „irrelevant“ information)
- Facebook shouldn‘t be allowed to share data between WA/FB and Insta.
- The one who controls a market/store should not be allowed to compete with 3rd party in an anti competitive kind of was (like charging 30% from a 3rd party bookstore while the own bookstore is free of charge)
- If Apple enters competition with a 3rd service party like Tile, Apple has to open all API it uses for its competing service to 3rd party.

... and much much more

 

[ani4ani]

Apple’s customers don’t care about the prices of apps as much as they care about easy-of-use and convenience.

Even if the apps were cheaper somewhere else, 99% would still buy them on the App Store.

I don’t agree...and it is self evident that Apple customers want to pay less when a huge majority rely on Amazon, eBay and the like for chargers, cases, cables, watch straps.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Honestly, equating this with the steel/oil/railroad monopolies is absurd. The two are categorically different.
[/Our company does not have a dominant market share in any category where we do business.

i fully agree.

Yet Apple’s marketing team really needs to understand semantics within a statement when using a sentence on its own.

Our company does not have a dominant market share in any category where we do business.

^ this as a complete sentence on its own is NOT true and thus shouldn’t have been used, closing off the thought.

Apple dominates in Market share in accessories - wireless headphones as well as Watches - digital or otherwise as a while globally and in the USA. They’ve specifically marketed this!!